I don’t know whether that happened. The video doesn’t show that, though. VIEWER WARNING: Uncut video of confrontation, shooting of Ahmaud Arbery
That’s a charge placed when conviction for a real crime is unlikely.
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Do you agree that he was jogging, a truck approaches from behind, the truck stops, then one of the accused exits the truck to approach Arbery with a gun (maybe not pointed at him initially)?
IDK, another possibility is that after the Chauvin case, the prosecution is feeling confident on getting guilty verdicts.
For exercise? I doubt it. Was he running at something less than full speed by the time the video started? Probably.
I don’t know what type of vehicle approached from behind.
Not from what I’ve seen.
You are right here. The video is kinda shitty. Arbery is the one in white, who I thought was one of the accused. Additionally, the truck had already stopped. Not sure if they pulled ahead of him and stopped, or were waiting, something different?
I have no idea. My knowledge of the incident is limited to the video and a few stories.
They had chased him down, pulled ahead and stopped. They were shouting “we want to talk to you” with their guns (shotgun and pistol) drawn but not aimed. Arbery had already tried doubling back to get away, but this time he tried to run around them. The shooter blocked his path with the shotgun and a struggle ensued. He was shot twice in the chest, and grazed once in the wrist. The lead GBI official on the case says the shooter called Arbery a racial slur as he lay on the ground dead/dieing.
The good ol boy network then went to work saying it was a legal citizens arrest turned self defense. No one was arrested and charges were not recommended for months until the video was released (not by police) and went viral.
I don’t fully understand why the filmer is being charged in connection.
So to me, it is reasonable that it is a murder if these things are true. A hate crime seems tough to prove here. It seems a really reasonable explanation for their actions is that they were thinking the guy was robbing a house.
The filmer is being charged with Felony Murder, for a murder that occured during a felony (criminal attempt to commit false imprisonment) he was a part of.
One of the other guys (McMichael senior) told police that the filmer (Bryan) tried to block Arbery with his truck at one point.
It’s also possible Bryan is being charged partially because of his haircut.
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LOL!
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Is it a hate crime or is it a crime with hate added on? If you call someone racial slurs while committing a crime against them, it’s not unreasonable to think race was a factor.
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Eh. A couple white good ol boys chasing down a black man in their truck for essentially being in the wrong neighborhood looking like he was “up to no good” . One in the cab, one standing in the bed yelling that they “just want to talk”… While holding firearms. Then after shooting the black man dead, the good ol boy mutters racial slurs as he walks back to his truck.
That’s about as cliche as it gets. IMO the hate crime charge doesn’t really matter for murder, as a murder sentence is typically game over anyways.
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I am not expert, but I don’t think that is the standard the prosecution needs to show. They need to show that it would be unreasonable to think that any other explanation was the motivation. At least that is the way I understand it (could be wrong). Unless this is true:
If that meets the definition, then I will agree it is a hate crime. A bit of google makes it seem that the crime needs to be motivated because of the victims race, gender, sexual orientation…
So I agree with you on what I think happened. I do think proving it is a different story though. If the defense can show it is somewhat reasonable that they were “stopping” him because they thought he was up to no good, then I think that excludes it from being a hate crime?
It probably doesn’t matter much if they get them on murder charges (which I think is likely here). I think in this case, that these guys need to be removed from society no matter their motivation. Even if we give them the benefit of having non racist motivations, they are too dangerous to be in society.
I think the guy filming will fold and aggressively testify against father-son. What are the odds father-son say they aren’t racist because they have a black friend?
Just as importantly, the law enforcement and judicial officials who touched this case in the first couple months need to be investigated thoroughly.
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Absolutely. I’m thinking we need to just have the federal government take over both judicial and law enforcement functions in this country. And probably execute everyone who has ever said “nigger” while being white. Perhaps that will atone for the misdeeds of all past white people in this country…a country which offers the average black person a standard of living that is so far below that of the average black person elsewhere in the world that it is shameful.
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It was nice knowing you.
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He offers so much to discussions.
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You shouldn’t have said it. This could have been avoided if only you hadn’t quoted that rapper.
I think the whole you can’t say the n word unless you are black thing is a fallacy of special pleading. I don’t think being black is sound justification to use the word. It seems arbitrary. We should either all be able to say it, or none of us say it. I guess the whole only black people can say it thing never really added up to me (likely because it isn’t sound reasoning).
I’ll keep this opinion to T-nation. Probably wouldn’t go over very well elsewhere. Additionally, for the record, I do not say the n word.
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This is America, you can say what you want. I would argue that a non black person using that word is a racist, however. That’s with the hard r.
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Yes, free speech. I am talking about social repercussions not legal ones.
I guess it seems inconsistent that a white guy calling a black guy almost anything derogatory (stuff less than the n word) is racist, but a black guy calling the white guy something derogatory (cracker, whitey) is largely accepted socially.
Does this not seem inconsistent to you? I think both are perhaps racist, but we (being a lot of people) don’t see it that way.
I don’t have a desire to call anyone anything derogatory. The social standards just don’t seem well thought out.
I don’t catch what you are saying here.