Then he must be sacrificed to keep the peace.
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Not sure if youāre serious?
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Iām only recently getting caught up on this case but I feel like acquittal is likely. It seems like thereās more and more room for reasonable doubt.
I was reminded today that duty of care prioritizes the officersā own safety, and I think that is something that backfired on the prosecution. These officers were not only managing Floyd, but the confrontational crowd that was filming them as well.
Its Toddās fault.
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I agree. And Iām worried for the state of storefronts in cities and race relations in general if that happens. But the prosecution doesnāt appear to have the case.
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Be careful with those words. You donāt want the wrong people hearing them.
Iām not going to bet on a worldwide revolution of peace, love and understanding coming out of any of this.
Iād agree, but thatās in the hands of the jury.
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Might be. Civil, not criminal. Family got 20-some million for it.
That was to keep them quiet. I mean, why pay them off before the trial? If Chauvin goes free, what case does the family have?
Likely true. I am not sure on the outcome. Just to much to predict with a jury involved. I said a while back that IMO it could go either way (I donāt see it as a slam dunk on either side).
Now he is also being charged with manslaughter. What is the probability that he is only convicted of manslaughter? My thought is that manslaughter was added as an in case type of thing (that the prosecution was far more confident on that than the 2nd degree).
Do you think we see riots if he is acquitted on 2nd degree, but convicted on manslaughter?
Personally, from 30,000ft, I donāt see anyway it was murder. No way he intended to kill GF with a crowd looking on. Manslaughter seems to fit much, much better IMO.
It was bad policing. Period. That fact has been reinforced by numerous expert witnesses from Chauvinās own department. Does that bad policing rise to the level of criminal culpability in GFs death? Thatās for a jury. But, bad policing was involved in the death of person from a community historically abused by policeā¦ I can understand why there would be anger,/rage/frustration if chauvin goes free.
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This. The only way that would make sense is if he had a terminal illness and was paid to kill Floyd.
If only they had the same feelings when it comes to the criminals who are responsible for the overwhelming majority of deaths and overall violence in their communities. The cops are underachieving when it comes to expressing murderous white supremacy.
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The Twin Cities had a curfew from 7 PM yesterday to 6 AM today due to a police shooting on Sunday. I do have to agree that it sure seems inconsistent to basically not give a shit about black on black crime, but riot and loot to the point a curfew is in acted when it is police killing a black person. I do get that it is different (and worse) when it is the government that is responsible, but the responses to the two things are not at all proportional to the seriousness of the events.
This one should be interesting to watch. It seems that the evidence on this one points to it being a legitimate accident based on the body cam footage. It apparently was a case of going for taser and grabbing the gun (body camera video and sound is consistent with that).
It has interfered a bit with the Chauvin trial. They (I believe the defense requested) had considered keeping the jury in a hotel until after the event cools down. IIRC, the judge said that they are two different cases, and the publics response should be irrelevant (what I took from his statements).
The curfew for all of the Twin Cities and suburbs (including 3rd and 4th ring suburbs) was way overkill. They shut everything down even out to where a good portion of people live on farms (there was no serious risk of riot / looting). On my way to work today, I saw a army truck (assuming it was national guard) going into the cities. I donāt understand why they thought closing everything down was necessary, when it was really probably necessary in Brooklyn Center (where the shooting happened), and perhaps the rough spots in Minneapolis.
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And 99% of the time, if not more, the person the police killed was a criminal. That doesnāt mean itās OK to execute criminals on sight, but most shootings are lawful and those that arenāt could have been avoided if the person wasnāt a criminal. The point is, Iām not crying over, let alone rioting over, the death of a scumbag. Iām definitely not building a memorial of any sort for a scumbag.
You are not required to. As long as you understand this:
and want that aspect to change, I think you are good.
The way I look at it is, you are a criminal, you are confronted by police, you choose to put another human (a cop) in a position where he needs to make a decision that might lead to your death by behaving like an idiot. In other words, why give a cop the opportunity to make a poor choice with regard to shooting you?
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I agree with what you are saying, but to expect typical criminals to be thinking about their actions and the possible reactions is a bit optimistic. They arenāt thinking like a professor (IIRC, you are a professor, right?).
People who break the law deserve punishment in accordance with what our laws say. When they get punished above and beyond that, there is a problem. And if that extrajudicial punishment was not an honest accident, that is criminal.
Cops have an insane amount of power for how easy the qualifications are to meet. There is VERY little room for mistakes, and itās a very tough job. But, we canāt accept and normalize bad policing by saying āwho really cares, the guy had it coming anyways, he was a bad dudeā.
Whatabouttism is rampant on this board when a police shooting/death is brought up. Seems shitty that the only time the murder rates in chi-raq and baltimore and Gary, etc are brought up on this board are whatabouttism responses defending a police killing and trying to delegitimize the associated outrage.
I think we have both been clear that we think it is unacceptable. I think it is okay to notice that the thinking among many (and to be clear this isnāt only black people) in regards to police violence and black on black violence is inconsistent.
I think that this inconsistent thinking is hampering to progress that could be made. That is why I think it is worth talking about.
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Exactly. If theyāre too low IQ to care aout their lives, why should I burn down a Target when they get killed?
Not yet.
And in almost every case, the victim didnāt do themselves any favors. A stupid criminal does something stupid and gets shot, and somehow itās white supremacy.
The problem is most people are not very bright and canāt think deeply. The idea that a cop bases a split second decision on shooting someone on that personās race, is ridiculous. Of all the things he has to consider in that second, race would not be one of them.
Iām not saying every shooting is justified but why make it about race? Cops shoot white people too.
Yeah. You would think the liberals in charge of those cities, the liberal media, the sjw woke crowd, blm, etc., would be bringing it up since they love black people so much. They love getting black people to destroy their own communities and remain like dependent children who canāt learn personal accountability.