This is never what I was taught or learned about “white supremacy”. Ever. Growing up it always referred to racist such as the groups you mentioned.
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I feel like for the most part, we do shine light on actual racism and racists. People who actually belong to the KKK or actually go around calling people racial slurs do mostly get socially shamed.
There was a senior basketball player from a town 20 miles from me. His team lost to a predominantly Native American team, and he then posted a video calling them prairie nggers. (Except he actually said prairie nggas, because as is becoming more and more common amongst young white boys, that is a word they call themselves, haha.)
It went viral pretty quickly, the college he was going to go play for said they no longer wanted him, and many people in the area were disgusted with him. (Not his fault though…his mom said it was just a diabetic episode.)
I don’t even think the dude is actually racist. He glorifies everything about black culture, and has at least one black friend, whom he calls “brotha” and “dawg,” so you know he’s not racist. He’s just an idiot.
The kid showed up at my college (there’s two in my town, mine is not the one that rejected him) and was in one of my classes last fall. In hindsight, I’m not actually sure how I feel about doing this, but I said “Hey, _____, is it okay with you if I’m here?” He stared blankly, not knowing who I was. “I just know how you feel about Indians.” Dramatic apology ensued.
Anyway, is this what you’re saying is the correct way to treat people like that? Have it drastically affect their lives in a way that would make them not want to act that way anymore?
In a way, I agree with you, but while some would call it unrealistic to hope for, I really don’t think there is any path towards peace and reconciliation without MLK’s ideas of love and forgiveness. The only way out of racism is a changing of the heart, and typically, shaming one does not make them come around to your way of thinking. (Coincidentally, I think MLK had really something with Christianity (true Christianity) but that’s a whole 'nother topic.)
EDIT: I tried to use a “*” for the racial slurs above but it made it use italics. Ya’ll get it though.
EDIT #2: The “you know he’s not racist” part is a joke, haha.
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That’s my perception of what is going on, not necessarily what I believe should happen.
I’m inclined toward a more confrontational or aggressive response towards racism and racists in the current culture simply because it is less prevalent/accepted and there is less of an excuse of being naive and not knowing better.
I’m inclined toward a kinder gentler softer way (the MLK response) for folks that don’t know better and grew up in only a racist culture. But, in the information age, with the internet and social media the vast majority know what generally constitutes racism and that it’s bad. And the MLK way won’t work with them very well IMO.
I don’t think it’s right to ruin a young man’s life over an emotional outburst (I give young folks more leeway). But if a 40 yr old white lady refers to black kids as nglets, Im not inclined to give much leeway at all. Fuck her. In too many instances, we hear racism like that and brush it off or ignore it instead of calling it out.
Welcome to college in 2021. “Dominant culture” is a big thing now. The problem is that Americans see America as the world and don’t know the history of other countries. What they call white culture, Europeans (the OG whites) would call American culture. And what they call black culture, sub-Saharan Africans would call American culture.
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I was in a classroom one day and I hear some girls in the hallway saying “nigga” this and “nigga” that. I looked at a black student in my class and asked if he was OK with that. His response, “Apparently it’s OK for Puerto Rican girls to say it.” The point being, anyone who thinks someone who isn’t black using “nigga” is a racist isn’t paying attention to the future burger flippers, meth addicts and welfare moms of America.
What if wasn’t the 40 year old white lady? What if It was a 40 year old black woman calling an Asian an epithet?
Or a man calling an obese cashier a fat ass?
What do you mean by aggressive? A scarlet letter (R) following them?
Fuck that black lady. I don’t think fat should be a protected class.
By aggressive I generally mean less forgiveable, and my view of them and actions would be changed long term if not permanently.
I ask because I’ve known kids to grow up rather damaged by the bullying they received over their weight. Suicides over appearance.
FIFY you racist!
In the same vein, I’ll always give young people more leeway because so much is out of their control and in their parents control, and also cause they’re still learning and developing.
Calling a kid fatass, bad. Calling a 40yr old fatass, not nearly as bad IMO.
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I’ll believe self-described anti-racists are the moral crusaders they say they are when they start doxxing Aryan brotherhood members or picketing their nearest Hell’s Angel’s clubhouse for only accepting whites. There are real unambiguous racists out there and they are some nasty people.
Of course, anti-racists don’t want anything to do with nasty people, because there might actually be consequences to their crusade. It is better to mine social media for perceived racism no matter how old and then hound people from afar in woke packs. It is better to instead focus on advancing ideas like white privilege and white fragility. There’s no shortage of white people who are fully prepared to grovel for forgiveness and pay big bucks to be told how racist they are.
The self-described “anti-racism” activism I’ve witnessed amounts to bravely standing up to imaginary people or real people exhibiting imaginary racism. I’ve yet to come across any 40 year-old lady’s using the “n” word to berate minorities or black guys who aren’t getting their drinks at the bar as fast as they think they should due to racist bartenders. Maybe some people are experiencing American History X scenarios frequently as they go through life. I remember a couple of shocking circumstances over the years and some eyebrow-raising phrases during my childhood, but otherwise I haven’t had many opportunities to actively fight racists.
Anti-racism, in practice, means looking at any given situation through he lens of race and oppression politics and then assuming racist motives for any outcomes that aren’t perfect. It is the opposite of MLK’s vision. It requires judgement based on skin color, not character.
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See, here’s where this stuff comes to crashing halt with me. Calling a successful 40 yr old black man, who grew up popular, a racist swear word may have less effect on his well being. At least than, say, the obese 40 year old woman, now called a fat ass in an argument by the same man. A lady who has been ashamed of herself since the bygone days in which she was bullied mercilessly over her weight. To the point of contemplating even suicide. Who then, finally in a fit of rage, ready to fight back, lashes out at an obvious characteristic of her present bully which just may wound him. His color. She may not have a racist bone in her body.
Mercy and forgiveness all around as much as possible. But, I’m glad to hear that your idea of aggressive is a bit more mellow than what I originally feared.
Just where I’m coming from.
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Are you referring to my example? If so, he was pretty calm about it. He may have been chuckling about it while he said it, and I think actually said it in a live feed that his followers could watch…some Instagram feature. I don’t know, I don’t use much social media. I wouldn’t say his life is ruined - he didn’t get to play basketball at the small, not very good private college in a tiny Midwest town, but he still has his job, his car worth more than my parents’ that mommy and daddy bought for him, and his mansion overlooking his hometown’s golf course. And pretty much all of his friends that he had before.
Maybe you’re not referring to that at all, in which case ignore me.
Otherwise, thanks, I just kinda wanted to hear your thoughts.
Tons of people say it. The Puertan Rican/Cuban rapper, Fat Joe, who is very light complected, says it all the time and in an interview, said it was just normal for his Latino family and friends to say since they grew up in the same neighborhoods as poor blacks.
Some of my Native family and friends say it (I don’t but we’ve all been called some form of n*gger so I guess I kinda get it), many Latinos/Latinas say it, the Southeast Asian immigrants I know say it.
(Southeast Asians are the “hood” people of Asia in my opinion, haha - maybe @dt79 will agree. I’ve mentioned in another thread about my LA-raised black friend locking the car while he walked up to a Minneapolis corner store because some Hmong guys were hanging out on the corner. Funny stuff.)
Some white people I know say it too… I think it’s more of a lifestyle thing - a Chicano gangsta would sound more natural saying it compared to the Mexican laborers I’ve met. Same with a Burmese refugee and a preppy Korean exchange student. People with a “hood” upbringing are gonna say it, and everyone else who wants to have had that life because it looks cool and tough will try to mimic it.
I absolutely do not understand this. Maybe you feel that you have had some priviledges that others haven’t and wish to acknowledge this if it comes up, fine. But this desire to flagellate yourself for being white is crazy.
Jesus loves the little children, all the children of the world. Red and yellow, black and white, they are precious in His sight, haha.
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Well, we’re reaping the benefits of a federal program now…states were doing it better.
Dude its not even “okay to be white”.
Everything is white supremacy, including Asians.
Of course you wouldn’t. This is straight-up white people shit, found nowhere else.
Young warrior, you must travel to the land of West Roxbury, Massachusetts. There you will find a room full of upper-middle-class white women talking about how they can better draw awareness to themselves on social media, so they can better draw awareness of the importance of their personal efforts at anti-racism.
These ancient traditions of my people are how we manage to get social media likes in an ever-changing and confusing world. To understand it, you have to live it. Go now, Dances With White People.
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That’s an anti white statement. You sir are racist against white people.
Because I can only “like” this post once, I have created this post as another means of expressing my appreciation.
White pride can be as stupid as you think(I happen to think all of the expression of this pride shit of any kind is a bit cringe). It doesn’t change the fact that every other culture is permitted to express their pride, whilst white people are not. Its not even “okay to be white”, let alone be proud of it. I think that’s pretty fucking racist, against white people.
Some of the worst anti white people are other white people.
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Yes. You have to love the consistency, though. “I’m proud of my race(or whatever) because it’s my race, but other people shouldn’t judge me for my race(or whatever) because it’s my race.”
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