This is ridiculous, and people still want to argue there is no bias.
The articles are not even from fringe sites but, from legitimate new papers (Washington Post is one of the first hits)
Look at pictures of the Colorado victims, now observe the Muslim, anti-Trump, anti-racism, anti-islamaphobe, Syrian immigrant shooter.
Guess we better line up professors in mainstream media for interviews about the dark excesses of anti-trump, anti-racism, sentiment.
Or, we accept that there are just mentally deranged folks who will just find another cause to kill others over if he didnāt already have his present pet peeves.
Cripes, stop using these things to advance social agendas.
But, who am I to say? Ok, time to stop ranting and get some Chili going!
Some people suck.
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Aha! So youāre saying guns and gun laws are the real culprit here.
I have no problem with laws keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally ill. Iām not a libertarian on the issue.
To touch on thisā¦
IMO, the white privilege/supremacy narrative (of late) isnt meant to convert the folks who are actually racist. Its meant to callout, identify and shine light on racism and racists. Its meant to make pariahs of racists and racismā¦ its not meant to convince them they are wrong and convert them. Its meant to socially kill (shame) them offā¦ make it socially unnaceptable. Its not meant to convince or explain why racism is bad. Its more Malcom X than MLK.
60-70 years ago a good person who grew up in the south could be racist, just due to not knowing any different and purely being a product of their environment. In this day and age, a racist is racist because they have discounted all arguments and logic to the contrary. So im more inclined toward the Malcom treatment of todays racists, whereas i think MLK was the way to go in the 50s and 60s.
To the rest of your point about white folks who arent racist being tired of being called out and grouped together, etc. IMO, its like being on a football team and busting your ass every goddamn day in the gym in the film room and at practiceā¦ everyone except 5 or 6 guys. And the coaches keep chewing the team out for lack of effort. Similar concept in my mind. Society is a team sport.
It seems they are just doing ad hominin attacks then. To me that makes them look ignorant. I think there are good reasons to not be racist. Stick to those.
I donāt think I could support a movement thatās goal isnāt unity, but division.
This method is also subjective on what is or isnāt racist (or at least when we stop trying to convince, and switch to shaming I feel things get more subjective). Some have silly ideas of what is racist that are untenable. We donāt need to be making pariahs out of math teachers because they are engaging in white supremacy. I know this is extreme, but I fear that methods like this lead to crazy shit (because logic has been abandoned).
I know I am arguing on the extreme end. I think it is only a small minority of people who do this stuff (stuff like the fragile white redditor sub reddit). I think those people hurt their cause more than help it. Sorry if I am not arguing against your points directly. I agree with some of it, but I am just trying to point out I donāt support all of it.
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Iām not convinced that the mentally ill should be roaming freely in society. With huge amounts of crime committed by them, it would seem to make more sense to control them than to band-aid the situation by harming everyone else.
There are plenty of great reasons to not be racist. In todayās day and age do you not think racist people are aware of those reasons? I sure do. I think they have rejected themā¦ in large part because racist people and ideas are still acceptable, just low brow, in many circles. Lots of times its considered a quirk or a flawā¦ something that is acceptable because Ashley or Joe is a really great guy/gal otherwise.
Agreed, 100% subjective. And its on society to push back on untenable ideas of what constitutes racismā¦ low and behold all the pushback here and accross america. The extreme ideas from cultural changes always get moderated by the masses here. By all means push back on stupid ideas about what constitutes racism or racist ideas, but make sure its not a kneejerk reaction because it hits close to home, or is a perspective you never thought to look from.
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I wonder how many of societies problems would be solved (and money saved) by implementing a huge mental healthcare system funded by taxpayers? I wonder if it would actually save enough money to pay for itself? Crime, social services, drugs, homelessness etc all HEAVILY impacted by mental health.
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Has my support. And legalize. How much gun violence is a result of a black-market buil on the illegality of drugs?
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I agree with you here. As you say much comes down to the human nature to want to be a) on the ārightā side and b) part of a group/tribe. I think changing peoplesā perceptions of what is the āright sideā is the direction to go, but itās a slow road. And it doesnāt satisfy the visceral desire for the other side getting their comeuppance. Which is why MLK had his famous quote about hate vs love.
However, I wonāt support a movement whose goal seems to be division. That does not actually lead to progress (rather the opposite as people dig in even harder) but it sure feels good.
It seems to me it already IS unacceptable and they already ARE pariahs. Which Iām totally fine with. What I donāt like is that thereās so much subjectivity, and when you have a scorched earth policy the fringes drive. When that happens all dialogue gets shut down and as such progress towards the goal slows.
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Come on dude, its only racism when a white person says or does āsaidā action.
You can have Black pride, Asian pride, Mexican pride etc. You canāt have white pride because, thatās white supremacy.
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And maybe it spawns its own looters and shooters in its zealous crusade.
You donāt have Irish, Italian, Spanish, French, Polish, Greek, Nigerian, Jamaican, Turkish, Japanese, Chinese, English, Scottish, etc. pride? Also, many Mexicans are white so Mexican pride is more national/cultural than racial.
The reason why white pride is an issue is because of its historical connection to white supremacy whereas black pride is a reaction to racism and white supremacy.
I also donāt know any Asians who refer to themselves as Asian except when having to choose a box to check.
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Seems like it should be African-American pride. What with who was also capturing and trading slaves to Europeans (prior to even their arrival really).
In any event, I think white pride is pure cringe. The melanin content I donāt earn? But so too is the idea that white supremacy behind every decision or action. Cringe.
I have no issues with a healthy dose of ethnic/national pride so long as it doesnāt dehumanize others. As a Christian one thing that chaps my hide is an all too common belief among my fellows that our dear USA is basically the chosen land. Blessed above others.
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Although I have issues with the white supremacy label, it does not refer to the KKK, neo-Nazis, or other white supremacist groups. Itās about the dominant culture in America and how it was designed to help white people succeed at the expense of other races.
I believe it comes from an ignorance of history and the false idea that there is some white culture or identity.
Are you saying you donāt think society was designed to help white people at the expense of others? Just want to make sure I am understanding what you are saying.
What society? American? This is the first problem with this theory. Western culture (which is called white culture by the wokists) evolved in Europe long before there was a USA and long before there was significant contact between Europeans and sub-Saharan Africans. The idea that the ancient Greeks were thinking about white supremacy is illogical and uneducated. If Europeans in general were driven by the desire to advance white people, then why did they spend so much of their history killing one another?
Now, American society was designed so that certain behaviors and values were rewarded with success. Some say they are Anglo-Saxon values and Manifest Destiny did single out Anglos as the superior race who were fulfilling Godās plan when expanding across America. We also know America has been unkind to European immigrants (so much for white solidarity).
Some say to look at South America, settled by the Spanish and Portuguese and at the US, settled by the English and some other Northern Europeans. Which group proved to be more industrious and how has that affected the current conditions of the US and South America?
White pride is stupid. Being proud of being Italian, or Irish, or Swedish, or Norwegian, or British is all fine. Individual countries. Individual histories. Nobody bats an eye at any of that, and many people wear their ancestry on their sleeve.
But āwhite prideā is stupid. For the exact reason Z mentioned.
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