George Floyd Riots

And now with COVID you wont be able to blame it on the green agenda

Except we are not

Yeah and we are talking about variations in temperature over thousands of years

Whether or not it’s happening is a separate issue, the problem is that this green bullshit is going to cause a lot of trouble. They want to raise taxes on gas so high that people can’t drive much anymore. How expensive does gas need to be for you to walk to work in the winter when it’s -30C?

I can safely say “I told you so!” at this point. When I said a while back that these governors and mayors are not going to easily let go of more power once they have acquired it, well here we are months later and I was right… Which party are these governors and mayors who refuse to relinquish their ill gotten power? Ummm, oh, democrats…
Man the DNC is broken as fuck.

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In the US gas is still very cheap, but not so most other places.

In a way, I think high gas prices will just lead to more efficiency. People will stop commuting in work trucks and SUVs if gas gets too expensive. More demand will be created for more sensible cars which I think is a good thing long term.

It is just my opinion, and I really like cars, but Americans are on average pretty stupid with cars. If you need a 96 month loan, you probably can’t afford it. If you don’t have a job in construction or where you need to haul stuff, it is pretty silly to commute to the office in a 6000 lb truck that gets 15 mpg. I really think cars are a big reason why many Americans live pay check to pay check, and have hardly any savings / investments. I am just not interested in ever financing a car. It is so much easier to just buy a solid little used car with cash. -rant over.

That wouldn’t be a bad idea, but when you look at how things are going here that doesn’t seem to be the plan. Plenty of busy streets with two lanes one way have been reduced to one lane and a bike lane, which in the pre-covid era meant traffic jams all the time every day of the week. The other option is public transit, but bus routes have been cut way back since they built this defective light rail system. The trains are breaking down all the time, doors jam and the train is stuck, the wheels are cracking and the rails are bent. And it’s only been one year, and Toronto is building a new line with the same piece of shit train. They really want us to walk in the winter, on sidewalks they can’t afford to plow when the air can give you frostbite in a few minutes.

If we were going back to the horse and carriage days I wouldn’t even complain, that sounds way better than this plan.

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The headline should say “Break yo self, bitch!”

Trudeau himself was forced to apologize during the campaign after photos emerged of him wearing blackface several times as a teenager and in his early 20s.

What about all the gay Syrians he brought here?

Trudeau announces cash for loans, support to Black Canadian entrepreneurs

I don’t have anything against black people, maybe something good will come out of this. But it’s just weird how all these left wing crackers suddenly love black people more than life itself. Something isn’t right.

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You’re not wrong there… It’s silly. Absolutely silly, just like spending 2000$ on the newest iPhone MaxX mini-computer with all the trimmings…every. single. year.

I love cars. If I ever win the lottery (no chance since I don’t play it), I’ll buy a nice new badass car. Until then, my 17 year well maintained old sedan still gets 27 mpg on the highway and is rock solid.

I’ve never owned a new car. Would I like to? Sure. But I’m not gonna go into crazy debt for a set of wheels that might get wrecked my next time on the highway. You should never set up a 96 month loan on anything that isn’t going to make your business more profit.

Lol. You’ve never been around a lot of horses at once, have you?

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I love my stupid car! It’s pretty and it hauls all kinds of ass.
However, a Biden win will make me rich. I bought a ton of oil stocks, so I win either way… With regards to the election.

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Why, what about them?

Actually not far from my house there are RCMP horse stables, it’s sort of open to the public. If you go there at the right time you can see about 50 horses hanging out in a big corral.

Horses are amazing creatures, but filling the streets with them would lead to so much shit, literally…

That’s really cool. That would be sweet to see.

I still wouldn’t want hundreds of them up and down the street :joy:

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We could also create jobs where people peddled on bikes to generate power but we know the folly of this - at least that would give power when it was needed rather than the current debacle.

People get fixated on power prices, which are bad and limit growth but the real carnage is the amount spent by governments on subsidies. Which have cost in terms of quality of education systems, better police and emergency services and health care.

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With the UN plan there will be way more subsidies than ever.

Some of these green bullshit businesses don’t actually do anything to stop carbon emissions. Here they have this “green bin” program where in addition to garbage and recycling you have a bin for compostable waste, like fruit and vegetable scraps and leaves and sticks and grass cuttings. It is processed into fertilizer and other gardening/farming products and sold for profit, but the profit margins are so low that it wouldn’t be a viable business without millions in subsidies, so we pay them to sell our trash.

With the right subsidies they could turn that horse shit into a multi billion dollar business.

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Isn’t wind power starting to be competitive with coal and natural gas cost wise? Part of it is development of better technology and economy of scale. I don’t think the bicycle analogy is fair as that would not come close to wind for efficiency.

Solar is pretty inefficient thermodynamics speaking, but new discoveries are being made all the time in that space. Investment and subsidies have accelerated the rate that these new discoveries are made. The efficiency on them is still low, but multiples of what they were just a couple decades ago. If they can get a bit better soon they will be competitive.

I think it is a good think to advance in technology even if old technology dies out. If these technologies don’t have the potential to ever work out, they should be scrapped. IMO e85 is a great example of this. We are burning diesel to produce it, and the only reason it exists is subsidies. I don’t think there is much to be gained for efficiency in that technology. It just doesn’t make sense.

But the fat people are already oppressed! This is racist against fat people.

No. Well, if you want to heavily tax coal and heavily subsidise wind, ignore the infrastructure removal and destruction costs and then ignore when you don’t have power or too much power and costs associated with that then yes, it’s competitive.

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I’ll have to do a bit of digging on it.

It’s a complicated field. I think it has promise but there are lots of road blocks and a couple major ones are energy storage and transfer away from the generation site

I don’t want to tax coal, that’s ridiculous. A product with so much energy that is so plentiful and cheap should be used. What we do not want is the emissions from burning raw coal. There is types of ‘clean coal’ technology that is both efficient and reduces emissions immensely. We don’t have to reinvent the wheel, just make it a bit rounder.

Wind is a fine subsidy but a very stupid primary source. The wind doesn’t always blow. That was one of the reasons for the blackouts in California, the wind wasn’t blowing. Even in normally windy places, the wind takes days off. Same with solar, works pretty good in the desert southwest, so you might as well take advantage, but even there you have cloudy days. Not to mention the other issues with these solutions, being how much space they take up and what they do to the eco systems they are in.

The biggest problem is that we are trying old school solutions, by using the grid. The grid is the biggest source of leakage in the whole system. It loses up to 50% of the energy put through it. We can do better than that.
I’d like, for instance, solar panel on houses using the grid as a back up. The problem is it’s a $100K solution to a $5K problem. But designing houses that generate their own energy cleanly, with a grid back up is the best possible solutions. It just has to be affordable and easily maintainable.

WTF does that mean?

People with solar panels sell electricity.

Is this divine intervention?

Large-scale evacuations in the state began within the metropolitan area of Portland, Oregon’s largest city.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/us/i-have-never-seen-anything-like-this-oregon-towns-emptied-and-confusion-spreads-amid-fires/ar-BB18WskB?ocid=msedgdhp

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The issue with solar, even local, is it provides energy when power is the cheapest. It disappears exactly when demand for power is at it’s highest. You probably seen this, it’s the same for solar (different environmental issues though):

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I worked with an energy company and their strategy was to have people charge a battery (ideally an electric car) over night off the grid when power is cheap and utilisation is low.

During the day, solar and the grid powers the house and when folks arrive home they use power from their batteries - when demand and cost for grid power is highest.

All this is very expensive and the incentive is low because the benefit is only realised 5-10 years down the track. It only works if you can charge consumers the actual cost of electricity when they use it - ie. Very expensive at night, very cheap during the night.

Most places can’t do this and need to spend big to support it. Politicians far prefer to spend that sort of cash on something people can see, even if it is inferior.

Alternatively, try take on the nuclear Boogie man and that will sort a lot of these issues out

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