[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Fantastic - yet another thread proving libertarianism is nothing but a crackpot political philosophy that will never even sniff the mainstream and will remain the exclusive refuge of teenagers mad at their parents and adults who never grew out of being a teenager made at their parents.[/quote]
–Yep, that pretty much sums it up.[/quote]
We, as a species, do not so much progress by convincing our elders of new ideas, but by burying the old ideas with them, one by one.
So, you and TB can make fun of those “adolescents” but what good does it do you?
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For starters not every idea needs to be buried simply because it’s been around a while. In fact, many of them are very good and a great nation was founded on ideas such as these.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Fantastic - yet another thread proving libertarianism is nothing but a crackpot political philosophy that will never even sniff the mainstream and will remain the exclusive refuge of teenagers mad at their parents and adults who never grew out of being a teenager made at their parents.[/quote]
–Yep, that pretty much sums it up.[/quote]
We, as a species, do not so much progress by convincing our elders of new ideas, but by burying the old ideas with them, one by one.
So, you and TB can make fun of those “adolescents” but what good does it do you?
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What they do not realize is the people my age who are “conservative” think alot like I do. They are swimming upstream, they are fighting something that will come to pass they may delay it but they will not stop it.[/quote]
Actually, most people your age voted for Obama. The ones who didn’t probably forgot because it was 3 for 1 beer night at the Travesty Inn. You’re a unique little soldier Johnny, but you keep marching. At least you are not pro Obama and based on your age group I consider that a positive.
We, as a species, do not so much progress by convincing our elders of new ideas, but by burying the old ideas with them, one by one.[/quote]
Someone highlight this, and John S., read closely. You won’t find a mission statement more diametrically opposed to conservatism than what Orion wrote above on behalf of “libertarianism”.
Conservatives want to conserve eternal truths and institutions that act as the architecture of a hard-won civilization and the humus of human liberty. Libertarians want to throw them off in hopes of liberating themselves from these things, thinking them nothing more than chains. Never again get confused as to the distinction.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Fantastic - yet another thread proving libertarianism is nothing but a crackpot political philosophy that will never even sniff the mainstream and will remain the exclusive refuge of teenagers mad at their parents and adults who never grew out of being a teenager made at their parents.[/quote]
–Yep, that pretty much sums it up.[/quote]
We, as a species, do not so much progress by convincing our elders of new ideas, but by burying the old ideas with them, one by one.
So, you and TB can make fun of those “adolescents” but what good does it do you?
[quote]ZEB wrote:
For starters not every idea needs to be buried simply because it’s been around a while. In fact, many of them are very good and a great nation was founded on ideas such as these.[/quote]
[quote]Dabba wrote:
Wtf? When did this thread become about libertarianism? Do you really have to mention your near psychotic obsession with libertarianism every time you post?[/quote]
The red herring is TB’s only way to make an argument that he has no ability to with reason.
Wtf? When did this thread become about libertarianism? Do you really have to mention your near psychotic obsession with libertarianism every time you post?[/quote]
The answer is yes, particularly when John S. - who is on his new theme in just about every thread about those damnable “Christian conservatives!!!” - wants to tee up yet another anti-religion thread to make a point.
And, every opportunity I get to bash libertarianism, I shall likely take it. Nothing is hurting the limited government movement in the US like this idiotic left-wing ideology masking as a strain or cousin of “conservatism” and “classical liberalism”, with the fury of a chained panther, I’ll denounce it accordingly.[/quote]
No, the “limited government” movement is destroying - and has been - itself for far longer than libertarians have even been known as a movement. But that is not the point. I am glad you are at least upfront about your intention to abandon logic and simply attack libertarianism at an emotional whim.
We, as a species, do not so much progress by convincing our elders of new ideas, but by burying the old ideas with them, one by one.[/quote]
Someone highlight this, and John S., read closely. You won’t find a mission statement more diametrically opposed to conservatism than what Orion wrote above on behalf of “libertarianism”.
Conservatives want to conserve eternal truths and institutions that act as the architecture of a hard-won civilization and the humus of human liberty. Libertarians want to throw them off in hopes of liberating themselves from these things, thinking them nothing more than chains. Never again get confused as to the distinction.
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This about sums it up correctly (of course I would have dropped the overt romanticism, but to each his own I suppose). Libertarianism and conservatism are at odds, have been and always will be. Actually some of the conservatives on this forum helped me learn this, and to be honest, I thank them for that. Conservatives assume that life is a certain way because it is that way now, without ever realizing that history is dotted with periods of real human liberty. I’m guessing you won’t agree with this description, but I don’t agree with yours of libertarianism either.
Actually, most people your age voted for Obama. The ones who didn’t probably forgot because it was 3 for 1 beer night at the Travesty Inn. You’re a unique little soldier Johnny, but you keep marching. At least you are not pro Obama and based on your age group I consider that a positive.
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Your right, the kids that are conservative did vote for Obama, and now they are done with him. Look at people like Brother Chris, him and I share a lot of similar idea’s. What you do not understand is that these last 2 years have been an eye opening for a lot of us, especially the ones right about to graduate college yet know there is no job waiting for them.
[quote]Dabba wrote:
Libertarianism and conservatism are at odds, have been and always will be. Actually some of the conservatives on this forum helped me learn this, and to be honest, I thank them for that. [/quote]
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Fantastic - yet another thread proving libertarianism is nothing but a crackpot political philosophy that will never even sniff the mainstream and will remain the exclusive refuge of teenagers mad at their parents and adults who never grew out of being a teenager made at their parents.[/quote]
–Yep, that pretty much sums it up.[/quote]
We, as a species, do not so much progress by convincing our elders of new ideas, but by burying the old ideas with them, one by one.
So, you and TB can make fun of those “adolescents” but what good does it do you?
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For starters not every idea needs to be buried simply because it’s been around a while. In fact, many of them are very good and a great nation was founded on ideas such as these.[/quote]
Maybe, but some ideas are worth burying and his ideas on limited government are so much closer to the ideas your country was founded on that it is not even funny.
At least the official ideas on how governments are supposed to function even though ideas that help to shape the fabric of society might be different now.
You can hower not corrupt the first set of ideas without destroying the second and that is what people like you and TB are trying to do.
If however I am right and mores are not formed by governments but by economic and social necessity the very act of creating a government big enough to restore former orthodoxies you destroy them.
We, as a species, do not so much progress by convincing our elders of new ideas, but by burying the old ideas with them, one by one.[/quote]
Someone highlight this, and John S., read closely. You won’t find a mission statement more diametrically opposed to conservatism than what Orion wrote above on behalf of “libertarianism”.
Conservatives want to conserve eternal truths and institutions that act as the architecture of a hard-won civilization and the humus of human liberty. Libertarians want to throw them off in hopes of liberating themselves from these things, thinking them nothing more than chains. Never again get confused as to the distinction.
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That is nonsense.
The idea that needs burying is the idea that you can “conserve” something by enforcing it through government.
My idea of a well lived life probably is not too far away from that of the average conservative but that comes from within me and not because people like you make me at gunpoint.