George Carlin: America's Best Comedian Dies

"George Carlin’s “The Planet Is Fine”

We’re so self-important. So self-important. Everybody’s going to save something now. “Save the trees, save the bees, save the whales, save those snails.”

And the greatest arrogance of all: save the planet. What? Are these fucking people kidding me? Save the planet, we don’t even know how to take care of ourselves yet. We haven’t learned how to care for one another, we’re gonna save the fucking planet?

I’m getting tired of that shit. Tired of that shit. I’m tired of fucking Earth Day, I’m tired of these self-righteous environmentalists, these white, bourgeois liberals who think the only thing wrong with this country is there aren’t enough bicycle paths.

People trying to make the world safe for their Volvos. Besides, environmentalists don’t give a shit about the planet. They don’t care about the planet. Not in the abstract they don’t. Not in the abstract they don’t. You know what they’re interested in?

A clean place to live. Their own habitat. They’re worried that some day in the future, they might be personally inconvenienced. Narrow, unenlightened self-interest doesn’t impress me.

Besides, there is nothing wrong with the planet. Nothing wrong with the planet. The planet is fine. The PEOPLE are fucked. Difference. Difference. The planet is fine. Compared to the people, the planet is doing great.

Been here four and a half billion years. Did you ever think about the arithmetic? The planet has been here four and a half billion years. We’ve been here, what, a hundred thousand? Maybe two hundred thousand? And we’ve only been engaged in heavy industry for a little over two hundred years.

Two hundred years versus four and a half billion. And we have the CONCEIT to think that somehow we’re a threat? That somehow we’re gonna put in jeopardy this beautiful little blue-green ball that’s just a-floatin’ around the sun?

The planet has been through a lot worse than us. Been through all kinds of things worse than us. Been through earthquakes, volcanoes, plate tectonics, continental drift, solar flares, sun spots, magnetic storms, the magnetic reversal of the poles…

Hundreds of thousands of years of bombardment by comets and asteroids and meteors, worlwide floods, tidal waves, worldwide fires, erosion, cosmic rays, recurring ice ages…And we think some plastic bags, and some aluminum cans are going to make a difference? The planet…the planet…the planet isn’t going anywhere. WE ARE!

We’re going away. Pack your shit, folks. We’re going away. And we won’t leave much of a trace, either. Thank God for that. Maybe a little styrofoam. Maybe. A little styrofoam. The planet’ll be here and we’ll be long gone. Just another failed mutation. Just another closed-end biological mistake. An evolutionary cul-de-sac. The planet’ll shake us off like a bad case of fleas. A surface nuisance.

You wanna know how the planet’s doing? Ask those people at Pompeii, who are frozen into position from volcanic ash, how the planet’s doing. You wanna know if the planet’s all right, ask those people in Mexico City or Armenia or a hundred other places buried under thousands of tons of earthquake rubble, if they feel like a threat to the planet this week.

Or how about those people in Kilowaia, Hawaii, who built their homes right next to an active volcano, and then wonder why they have lava in the living room.

The planet will be here for a long, long, LONG time after we’re gone, and it will heal itself, it will cleanse itself, 'cause that’s what it does. It’s a self-correcting system. The air and the water will recover, the earth will be renewed, and if it’s true that plastic is not degradable, well, the planet will simply incorporate plastic into a new pardigm: the earth plus plastic.

The earth doesn’t share our prejudice towards plastic. Plastic came out of the earth. The earth probably sees plastic as just another one of its children. Could be the only reason the earth allowed us to be spawned from it in the first place. It wanted plastic for itself. Didn’t know how to make it. Needed us. Could be the answer to our age-old egocentric philosophical question, “Why are we here?” Plastic…asshole.

So, the plastic is here, our job is done, we can be phased out now. And I think that’s begun. Don’t you think that’s already started? I think, to be fair, the planet sees us as a mild threat.

Something to be dealt with. And the planet can defend itself in an organized, collective way, the way a beehive or an ant colony can. A collective defense mechanism. The planet will think of something. What would you do if you were the planet?

How would you defend yourself against this troublesome, pesky species? Let’s see… Viruses. Viruses might be good. They seem vulnerable to viruses. And, uh…viruses are tricky, always mutating and forming new strains whenever a vaccine is developed.

Perhaps, this first virus could be one that compromises the immune system of these creatures. Perhaps a human immunodeficiency virus, making them vulnerable to all sorts of other diseases and infections that might come along. And maybe it could be spread sexually, making them a little reluctant to engage in the act of reproduction.

Well, that’s a poetic note. And it’s a start. And I can dream, can’t I? See I don’t worry about the little things: bees, trees, whales, snails. I think we’re part of a greater wisdom than we will ever understand. A higher order.

Call it what you want. Know what I call it? The Big Electron. The Big Electron…whoooa. Whoooa. Whoooa. It doesn’t punish, it doesn’t reward, it doesn’t judge at all. It just is. And so are we. For a little while."

[quote]Beowolf wrote:

I never said he wasn’t a liberal. I said his comedy was 90% not political. And the 10% that was political had a 50/50 split between mocking the left and the right.

Mick says he was anti-business, I say he was anti-environmentalism. Mick says anti-religious, I say that isn’t a conservative or a liberal trait, it just happens to be concentrated under the liberals right now. I know a handful of atheist conservatives. They are independent qualities.[/quote]

My comments were a general response to everyone.

And for the record I am a conservative atheist. (That makes 473 times I have mentioned it on this forum.)

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Beowolf wrote:

I never said he wasn’t a liberal.

Bewolf wrote: “Calling Carlin a liberal…is wrong just wrong…”

and:

“How the hell, in any way shape or form, is he (Carlin) liberal? At all?”

I wasn’t coming back to this thread as I’ve said all I want to on the topic…but…I just couldn’t resist this little reality check.[/quote]

I was unaware he was liberal in his private life. Excuse me for not being obsessed with him. You said his comedy was liberal, I respond he was not, because from his comedy (which is the only way I know anything about him) he is neither.

You’ve done nothing but repeat the same damn arguement over and over.

Did you miss the huge rant above where Carlin curses at “liberals”? Where he tells environmentalists to go fuck themselves?

I was supposed to come to the conclusion that he’s a liberal and would like himself to go fuck himself? wtf?

…This argument has nothing to do with what he actually IS. You’re original statement was that all of his comedy was simply far left rantings. That is what I’m arguing against, because it is entirely untrue.

If he was a far-left ranter, I wouldn’t like him. We’ve given you plenty of reasons showing how he is not at all “liberal” or “conservative” in his comedy. You keep bringing up his voting record, as if that is pertinent to his comedy.

I’m not denying it. I did not think he was a liberal. I did not go check his fucking voting records, once again, excuse me for not examining his life in depth, and concentrating on his comedy when we’re discussing his comedy…

The stupid you emit is incredible. Continue to twist my words, w/e. Carlin’s comedy was not liberal. I know that much, so w/e.

Goodnite.

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
The stupid you emit is incredible. Continue to twist my words, w/e. Carlin’s comedy was not liberal. I know that much, so w/e.

Goodnite.

I’ll say this about you, your audacity is only exceeded by your inability to follow the thread and your very own posts.

Don’t post back until you can absolutely master the sequence of events relative to our tete-a-tete. Until you can do this very basic thing, you have no business posting.[/quote]

Did you miss the part where I said I was mistaken about Carlin not being a liberal?

I understand. I was wrong. I still hold the position that you are wrong to say his comedy was 90% liberal ranting.

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
The stupid you emit is incredible. Continue to twist my words, w/e. Carlin’s comedy was not liberal. I know that much, so w/e.

Goodnite.

I’ll say this about you, your audacity is only exceeded by your inability to follow the thread and your very own posts.

Don’t post back until you can absolutely master the sequence of events relative to our tete-a-tete. Until you can do this very basic thing, you have no business posting.

Did you miss the part where I said I was mistaken about Carlin not being a liberal?

I understand. I was wrong. I still hold the position that you are wrong to say his comedy was 90% liberal ranting.

So, we have a vocal liberal who voted for McGovern and attacked the Reagan administration. But you’re not quite ready to admit that this vocal liberal who made a fortune in show business had a mostly liberal act when it came to talk about religion, politics and business.

I see…
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Atheism is not a liberal position. Reagan’s administration had an amazing number of members convicted of crimes. Any comedian would have fun with that material. He thought business people were crooks because it’s anti-establishment to poke fun at the elite.

Am I liberal or a conservative? I’m a non-theist - certainly not a Christian (Buddhist, actually). I’m pro-gun. I’m very much with the Republicans (and Lou Dobbs) regarding immigration. I like Obama’s healthcare ideas, but I also like Charles Murray’s (as elucidated in ‘In Our Hands’). Mostly, I just want situations that work. To the extent that Republicans like to pretend there IS no problem with the current system, they are fucked. You can’t just remainder the human beings for whom the system doesn’t work, as they become grains in the cogs of the machine and they bring down the efficiency of the whole system. Pretending that there are no real problems will not help when the majority of people feel there are problems with the current system - the system that the Republicans have been running for the last 12 years.

George Carlin’s political views will matter very little in the face of that.

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
I’ll go one better…Like most comedians Carlins views never really mattered when it came to the important issues of the day.
[/quote]
Ding Ding.

Any comedian who can do political comedy and not earn themselves a divided house is one whose audience goes to the show based on the performer. The audience already knows what to expect, what points of view will be reflected in the act and in large part they already agree with what is being said - there is no persuasion involved in a topical comedy show. It is the essence of preaching to the choir, unlike lesser known comedians that do club circuits with an unfamiliar audience, that is the dangerous territory.

Am I the only one that thinks Carlin’s topical comedy was the low point of most of his shows? I always enjoyed his bits on language more than everything else, stupid phrases that we say to each other without really considering their meaning, that kind of thing (Get on the Plane. Fuck You, I’m getting in the plane.) The later years of his career took a decided shift towards topical unfortunately :confused:

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
wirewound wrote:

Atheism is not a liberal position.

In so far as it is an option for all people I agree. Just as there are many liberals who are against more gun control. But over all we can all agree that there are far, far more gun control advocates who happen to be liberal. Just as there are far, far more atheists who happen to be liberal.[/quote]

Entirely beside the point. Conservatism itself has little to say about atheism.

[quote]
And…that’s why you like Obamas helath care ideas?
You think that the government should take control of health care?[/quote]

I want a fix to the current system and I believe that government involvement is necessary. I work in healthcare - it’s a fucking mess. It’s not a mess because of government involvement thus far - it’s a mess because of corporate greed.

[quote]the system that the Republicans have been running for the last 12 years.

Bill Clinton was President from 1992 to 2000…which “12 years” are you talking about? Does Bush get the blame for the last 4 Clinton years?[/quote]

The Republicans have had the legislature since '94.

man I thought this might have been more of a memorial to a dude that made millions laugh… Oh and as for the health care thing… Why would you believe that the same gov that can’t run a single thing well will some how run health care well…

Look at the proficiency of any DMV office… yeah right.
SS office… yeah right.
The Post Office… yeah right.
So on and so on…

George Carlin Liberal? I am very conservative by nature but I loved his cometary and view of the world… made many of my days better… I for one will miss the shit what every his political leanings were.

[quote]inthego wrote:
man I thought this might have been more of a memorial to a dude that made millions laugh… Oh and as for the health care thing… Why would you believe that the same gov that can’t run a single thing well will some how run health care well…

Look at the proficiency of any DMV office… yeah right.
SS office… yeah right.
The Post Office… yeah right.
So on and so on…
[/quote]

You mean compared to the way health care is run now? Every drug has two names, some of which sound very similar. Cost of care is through the roof due to the uninsured.

The insurance and drug companies are what are totally fucking up health care right now.

As for the post office - what possible beef do you have with them?

[quote]inthego wrote:
man I thought this might have been more of a memorial to a dude that made millions laugh… Oh and as for the health care thing… Why would you believe that the same gov that can’t run a single thing well will some how run health care well…

Look at the proficiency of any DMV office… yeah right.
SS office… yeah right.
The Post Office… yeah right.
So on and so on…

George Carlin Liberal? I am very conservative by nature but I loved his cometary and view of the world… made many of my days better… I for one will miss the shit what every his political leanings were.[/quote]

The post office is an example of a hybrid government private enterprise system that actually does work. The government will pick up a letter or package anywhere in the country and delivery anywhere else in the world for a pittance. Or one can opt for a private company like UPS, DHL, or FEDEX for a higher level of service.

If the mail system was totally privatized and worked like the medical system people in Montana would be paying $600 to send a postcard to Texas and $50 a day service charge to get a mailbox full of junk mail.