[quote]eengrms76 wrote:
pookie wrote:
You also make a ton of assumption about a guy you saw for about 5 minutes; for all you know he spends all his nights and weekends at the gym busting his ass and is the local BB champion.
Sssshhhh… This guy would rather live in his white-picket fence world and believe all black people are poor and live in the ghetto and smoke and drink all day, unless they have all their teeth and are wearing a suit that is. No reason to introduce him to reality.[/quote]
If you saw a white guy (or gal!) missing many or all of his teeth, wouldn’t you think poor, or even trailer trash?
I agree the OP made some assumptions (drinking, smoking, no lifting) but I would not call it racism. If anything it was classism.
My experience has been that while there are some poor freaks that can get muscular and stay lean while eating lousy diets, smoking and/or drinking, and getting most/all of their lifting with some kind of job or other, the majority of poor people black or otherwise are not in such great shape.
Winston Churchill lived happily to his 90s smoking cigars, drinking more than what most would call moderate, and eating whatever the hell he wanted. He was not great looking in his later years, but he had the strong disposition of a garbage disposal.
[quote]Blacksnake wrote:
joeyk39 wrote:
He had no teeth. He must have been about 40-45. But he was big, vascular and below 6% body fat. He was vascular in his delts and abs!!! this guy looked better than any Men’s health cover model and there is no way he lifts weights and diets. Most likely smokes and drinks. I was absolutely shattered. He had shredded obliques with veins…crazy.
I personally knew a guy (Black) who had better than the body of a greek god, abs, delts and everything, that was a straight up heroin addict!..He used to train, for fun, on the rings and bars set up in Golden Gate Park back in the 1960’s/early70’s (showing off for the hippie chicks, and he gotlaid alot, I saw his girlfriends, with much envy)…I was so in awe and scared of him I regretfully never asked him to help me get in shape, as I was a mere flabby teeny-bopper then(a regret)…
Some might remember that 60’s film freak/artist Andy Warhol employed an actor who sported a similar perfect body and also used heroin, Italian-American actor Joe Dellasandro (There were the stories about how this guy was a major chick-magnet because of his physique, yet disappointed the girls due to the heroin inhibiting his ability to obtain erection…Talk about mixed blessings!!!)…
The “Blacks have better BB genetics” thing is a bullshit myth derived from the slavery days to justify not allowing Blacks an education, yet still perniciously persists as a so-called “fact” by those who choose to accept it without analysis. Southern Italians (Dellasandro, Gaspari, Tinerino, Ferreigno, etc) have also been known for good BB genetics, but you never hear the casual throwing around of this like you hear without question regarding Blacks, which reinforces my point…
[quote]Blacksnake wrote:
I personally knew a guy (Black) who had better than the body of a greek god, abs, delts and everything, that was a straight up heroin addict!..He used to train, for fun, on the rings and bars set up in Golden Gate Park back in the 1960’s/early70’s (showing off for the hippie chicks, and he gotlaid alot, I saw his girlfriends, with much envy)…I was so in awe and scared of him I regretfully never asked him to help me get in shape, as I was a mere flabby teeny-bopper then(a regret)…
Some might remember that 60’s film freak/artist Andy Warhol employed an actor who sported a similar perfect body and also used heroin, Italian-American actor Joe Dellasandro (There were the stories about how this guy was a major chick-magnet because of his physique, yet disappointed the girls due to the heroin inhibiting his ability to obtain erection…Talk about mixed blessings!!!)…
The “Blacks have better BB genetics” thing is a bullshit myth derived from the slavery days to justify not allowing Blacks an education, yet still perniciously persists as a so-called “fact” by those who choose to accept it without analysis. Southern Italians (Dellasandro, Gaspari, Tinerino, Ferreigno, etc) have also been known for good BB genetics, but you never hear the casual throwing around of this like you hear without question regarding Blacks, which reinforces my point… [/quote]
Southern Italians descend from African or Moorish blood. The Moors of Northern Africa in particular. Kinda disproves your point. I kinda think that’s known as well, although most Southern Italians don’t exactly “throw it around” but Northern Italians will be quick to note that they are not of Southern herritage. Hence Northern Italian and Southern Italian.
[quote]meangenes wrote:
Blacksnake wrote:
I personally knew a guy (Black) who had better than the body of a greek god, abs, delts and everything, that was a straight up heroin addict!..He used to train, for fun, on the rings and bars set up in Golden Gate Park back in the 1960’s/early70’s (showing off for the hippie chicks, and he gotlaid alot, I saw his girlfriends, with much envy)…I was so in awe and scared of him I regretfully never asked him to help me get in shape, as I was a mere flabby teeny-bopper then(a regret)…
Some might remember that 60’s film freak/artist Andy Warhol employed an actor who sported a similar perfect body and also used heroin, Italian-American actor Joe Dellasandro (There were the stories about how this guy was a major chick-magnet because of his physique, yet disappointed the girls due to the heroin inhibiting his ability to obtain erection…Talk about mixed blessings!!!)…
The “Blacks have better BB genetics” thing is a bullshit myth derived from the slavery days to justify not allowing Blacks an education, yet still perniciously persists as a so-called “fact” by those who choose to accept it without analysis. Southern Italians (Dellasandro, Gaspari, Tinerino, Ferreigno, etc) have also been known for good BB genetics, but you never hear the casual throwing around of this like you hear without question regarding Blacks, which reinforces my point…
Southern Italians descend from African or Moorish blood. The Moors of Northern Africa in particular. Kinda disproves your point. I kinda think that’s known as well, although most Southern Italians don’t exactly “throw it around” but Northern Italians will be quick to note that they are not of Southern herritage. Hence Northern Italian and Southern Italian.[/quote]
Not exclusively African or Moorish. If you look at Sicily, it had large population of Arabs, Greeks, Normans and Spaniards during the middle ages, and still does I think. It’s very hard to deduce anything genetics wise like that, and I hardly see why it’s worth the bother.
[quote]Nikiforos wrote:
meangenes wrote:
Blacksnake wrote:
I personally knew a guy (Black) who had better than the body of a greek god, abs, delts and everything, that was a straight up heroin addict!..He used to train, for fun, on the rings and bars set up in Golden Gate Park back in the 1960’s/early70’s (showing off for the hippie chicks, and he gotlaid alot, I saw his girlfriends, with much envy)…I was so in awe and scared of him I regretfully never asked him to help me get in shape, as I was a mere flabby teeny-bopper then(a regret)…
Some might remember that 60’s film freak/artist Andy Warhol employed an actor who sported a similar perfect body and also used heroin, Italian-American actor Joe Dellasandro (There were the stories about how this guy was a major chick-magnet because of his physique, yet disappointed the girls due to the heroin inhibiting his ability to obtain erection…Talk about mixed blessings!!!)…
The “Blacks have better BB genetics” thing is a bullshit myth derived from the slavery days to justify not allowing Blacks an education, yet still perniciously persists as a so-called “fact” by those who choose to accept it without analysis. Southern Italians (Dellasandro, Gaspari, Tinerino, Ferreigno, etc) have also been known for good BB genetics, but you never hear the casual throwing around of this like you hear without question regarding Blacks, which reinforces my point…
Southern Italians descend from African or Moorish blood. The Moors of Northern Africa in particular. Kinda disproves your point. I kinda think that’s known as well, although most Southern Italians don’t exactly “throw it around” but Northern Italians will be quick to note that they are not of Southern herritage. Hence Northern Italian and Southern Italian.
Not exclusively African or Moorish. If you look at Sicily, it had large population of Arabs, Greeks, Normans and Spaniards during the middle ages, and still does I think. It’s very hard to deduce anything genetics wise like that, and I hardly see why it’s worth the bother.[/quote]
What do you mean when you say deduce? That is the topic of this thread. Genetics clearly play an important role in your physical development.
Are you saying then that you don’t agree that Africans have superior physical genentics?
This can be argued very extensively. And is too extensive to just claim that it’s not “worth the bother”.
Moors were Muslim Africans of Northern Africa.
But you are right about Italy not being exclusively Moorish. But then you have to see the Arabs as just decendents of the Africans anyway.
That’s besides the fact that Africans were the first human. So I guess by a kind of a long shot we are arguing that anyone closer genetically to the African or original man has superior physical genetics. Right?
Well I look at it as everyone has access to the same things, weights, food, drugs and such. What causes there to be such a large dominance of top level black bodybuilders as oppossed to white? If it’s not genetics than what is it?
[quote]tGunslinger wrote:
joeyk39 wrote:
I have no photo. I had no camera on me. I live in Jersey in a Polish neighborhood. A store around here has lunch and dinner for $5. Fried chicken breasts two mashed potatoes and all that good stuff.
Every once in a while on cheat days I get a meal there. A guy came in… looked like a Harley guy. He ordered two dinners. Than (as I later found out) his worker came in looking for a pay-phone. He was African-American. He had no teeth. He must have been about 40-45. But he was big, vascular and below 6% body fat. He was vascular in his delts and abs!!! He was working for a guy who had a junk business. Metal recycling.
I had no camera but this guy looked better than any Men’s health cover model I’ve seen. He was from the ghetto and there is no way he lifts weights and diets. Most likely smokes and drinks. I was absolutely shattered. He had shredded obliques with veins…crazy.
How do you know this? You saw the guy for a few minutes total, and you’ve figured out that he doesn’t lift weights or diet, and smokes and drinks heavily.
Basically, some guy with a good physique walks into a diner, and you assume he can’t possibly train and eat properly and that it must be 100% crazy genetics.
I’m sorry, but that sentiment says more about yourself than anything else.[/quote]
[quote]scottiscool wrote:
Well I look at it as everyone has access to the same things, weights, food, drugs and such. What causes there to be such a large dominance of top level black bodybuilders as oppossed to white? If it’s not genetics than what is it?[/quote]
Motivation?
Most people who are successfull at something are motivated.
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Maybe he thought you were a crazy stalker staring dude from the ghetto and he was really happy to get his chicken, go back to his job, and then drive back to the suburbs to his nice planned community.[/quote]
So because he’s a black guy, he’s got to be eating chicken?
I don’t think it’s motivation. I mean you are basically saying that black people are more motivated than white people to bodybuild. Do you really believe that?
[quote]Moon Knight wrote:
If you saw a white guy (or gal!) missing many or all of his teeth, wouldn’t you think poor, or even trailer trash?[/quote]
In Quebec, even the poor and rednecks generally have their teeth. Universal healthcare covers it.
So I’ll probably think “dumb and ugly by personal choice” or “mentally retarded patient who bites”. Oddly, I often reach the same conclusion while reading the T-Forums…
Whatever the “ism”, it’s still unsubstantiated assumption who are quite likely false. Why invent or assume stuff when a simple “I don’t know about X” would do?
[quote]My experience has been that while there are some poor freaks that can get muscular and stay lean while eating lousy diets, smoking and/or drinking, and getting most/all of their lifting with some kind of job or other, the majority of poor people black or otherwise are not in such great shape.
Winston Churchill lived happily to his 90s smoking cigars, drinking more than what most would call moderate, and eating whatever the hell he wanted. He was not great looking in his later years, but he had the strong disposition of a garbage disposal.[/quote]
Cigar smokers generally don’t go through a pack a day; his drinking might have been moderate when he was not in public settings and I have no idea about the eating habits of most political figures; I can’t see why we’d really know about those of Winston; especially at a time when the media weren’t yet the whoring hyenas we have nowadays… Maybe Winston’s “excesses” simply appear so because you extrapolate his public image into his private life.
[quote]scottiscool wrote:
I don’t think it’s motivation. I mean you are basically saying that black people are more motivated than white people to bodybuild. Do you really believe that?
[/quote]
No. I’m saying that one individual can be more motivated to succeed than another.
The vehicle or medium that they choose is up to them.
[quote]nephorm wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
Maybe he thought you were a crazy stalker staring dude from the ghetto and he was really happy to get his chicken, go back to his job, and then drive back to the suburbs to his nice planned community.
So because he’s a black guy, he’s got to be eating chicken?[/quote]
No that would have been watermelon.
In the original post it says the place has chicken for $5.00 for lunch and dinner. I have no idea if they even serve anything else but referencing the OP’s post, they do serve chicken.
