Genes and Race

Rainjack the fact that you got your ass kicked every day is terrible, it really is, but Nobody kept you from learning did they? Nobody kept you from graduating that highschool and leaving that neighborhood behind did they? Were those kids racist that beat your ass every day, yes, was there racial intimidation, yes, was there oppression or as the dictionary puts it…(1. the exercise of authority or power in a burdensome, cruel, or unjust manner.), No because your power exceeded theirs.

It was simply bullying, which is an unfortunate part of School systems everywhere. Wether you are jealous of the fact that Im at or was at a univeristy, my age, or the fact my parents can afford things because they went to college too, I certainly dont see how those things correlate to me hating Bush, or me hating whites–which has NEVER come out of my mouth or been typed by my hands.

As a matter of fact if my opinions tell you these things…then your judgement is in serious question and nothing you say has creedence, as those type “kids” are probably of conservative lineage, BUT if it helps you sleep at night…sure I am.

Kaaleppi individual oppression does not exist, no one person has the power to completely oppress another person, that person has power only because a society gave it to them, or because of allegiance gained from other people. A Mob boss, A blood, A crip, these people singulary have no power, it is the group that makes them powerful and able to exercise force on a another. So that definition of oppression is accurate.

Mage that is exactly why I asked what you meant so that i wouldnt put words in your mouth. I agree completely with the hypocritical nature of quotation and action on BOTH sides. Unfortuantely Dr. Kings dream wont come true until both sides put truth over pride.

Barrister are you saying that without laws or government there is no society? Thats false. In an Anarchist state, you have an Anarchist society. Your statement that individuals take action and not societies would be accurate if not for the major role Social conforming plays in Human nature. If one person with influence thinks it, then more will follow until you have soceity of like-minded individuals…IE tha KKK.

Now of course with your last statements about legal discrimination, your speaking about affirmative action…I have and will always fail to see how attempting to equalize opportunities in America is discrimination, it helps curbed nepotism and cronyism slighty but thats certainly not discrimination.

AA was not setup for quotas, it was setup to force long-time discriminitory associations and corporations into giving minorities a chance to interview and succeed. CEOs decided to created a quota system to make sure they didnt have to do any more work than they had to before AA, so instead of attempting to find the best qualified from ALL races they set aside a certain amount of jobs that were GOING to filled by minorities no matter what.

AA has NOTHING to do with quotas. Blame lazy CEOs and dixiecrat business owners for the reduction of an inherently well meaning law, and reducing it to quotas. I have to laugh a little bit at the assumption that laws have power, those people that make the laws is where the true power lies…and very few of those ladies and gentlemen in the history of American Government have had a healthy tan.

[quote]DiscMan wrote:
Rainjack the fact that you got your ass kicked every day is terrible, it really is, but Nobody kept you from learning did they? Nobody kept you from graduating that highschool and leaving that neighborhood behind did they? Were those kids racist that beat your ass every day, yes, was there racial intimidation, yes, was there oppression or as the dictionary puts it…(1. the exercise of authority or power in a burdensome, cruel, or unjust manner.), No because your power exceeded theirs. [/quote]

Then by your definition, blacks have not been oppressed in well over 40 years.

You say they are incapable of oppression. I gave you an example of being oppressed, and you say it doesn’t exist.

As a matter of fact, it did affect my ability to learn. I won’t go into it with you - as you have no clue about living in a racist, oppressive environment.

I highly doubt you know anything about black people, or any other race beyond that which you read about.

I am done with you - your ignorance is exceeded only by your desire to see yourself posted up on the internet.

[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
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[quote]DiscMan wrote:

Barrister are you saying that without laws or government there is no society? Thats false. In an Anarchist state, you have an Anarchist society. [/quote]

No, I’m saying that “society” is an interesting academic construct that has very little meaning. Outside the context of governmental action, it means virtually nothing. “Society” is the collection of individuals making it up - thus it takes no action without coordination. The only real societal coordination is government - particularly when you are definining “society” broadly across all of a country.

In an anarchist state, you would not have any societal action, unless it was a small enough society that you could really have the majority of the members take an action outside of the governmental context.

[quote]DiscMan wrote:
Your statement that individuals take action and not societies would be accurate if not for the major role Social conforming plays in Human nature. If one person with influence thinks it, then more will follow until you have soceity of like-minded individuals…IE tha KKK. [/quote]

Except that you’re still talking about individuals taking action - and then choosing to take action as a group within a society (unless you’re defining society down to fit some very small locality).

Many people in this country are Democrats. There are far more Democrats in this country than KKK members. Does that mean the Democratic Party defines society?

Perhaps within any particular group you can have a racist collective action. And in another group you may have the absence of racism all together. But that hardly defines “society” across the country, or generally in a particular area. If you want to begin micro-defining society, that’s fine - but then you can no longer make your country-wide generalizations.

[quote]DiscMan wrote:
Now of course with your last statements about legal discrimination, your speaking about affirmative action…I have and will always fail to see how attempting to equalize opportunities in America is discrimination, it helps curbed nepotism and cronyism slighty but thats certainly not discrimination. [/quote]

Let me explain: If you hold someone to a higher standard based solely on his race, you are engaging in racial discrimination. Actually, if you hold someone to a lower standard based solely on his race, you are also engaging in (a different sort of) racial discrimination. Look up “discrimination.”

Actually, I’ll help:

[i]dis·crim·i·na·tion /dɪ�?skrɪm�?�?neɪ�?�?n/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[di-skrim-uh-ney-shuhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
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  1. an act or instance of discriminating.
  2. treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit: racial and religious intolerance and discrimination.
  3. the power of making fine distinctions; discriminating judgment: She chose the colors with great discrimination.
  4. Archaic. something that serves to differentiate.[/i]

[quote]DiscMan wrote:
AA was not setup for quotas, it was setup to force long-time discriminitory associations and corporations into giving minorities a chance to interview and succeed. CEOs decided to created a quota system to make sure they didnt have to do any more work than they had to before AA, so instead of attempting to find the best qualified from ALL races they set aside a certain amount of jobs that were GOING to filled by minorities no matter what. [/quote]

You’re not in business, are you? CEOs would love to hire only the best qualified irrespective of race. In a competitive system, hiring less than the best will eventually get you left behind. Which isn’t to say there isn’t cronysim in existence - but, percentagewise, how many positions could cronyism possibly fill in companies in which managers are responsible for results? Unless your position is that all companies practice cronyism across the board (ridiculous), then a firm that didn’t would be at a competitive advantage, and would force its competitors to hire better people or be competed out of business.

[quote]DiscMan wrote:
AA has NOTHING to do with quotas. Blame lazy CEOs and dixiecrat business owners for the reduction of an inherently well meaning law, and reducing it to quotas. I have to laugh a little bit at the assumption that laws have power, those people that make the laws is where the true power lies…and very few of those ladies and gentlemen in the history of American Government have had a healthy tan.[/quote]

Or blame the lawyers and the lawsuits against companies whose work forces don’t precisely mirror the population in terms of racial content - they tend to get sued by private parties or the EEOC.

And, um, if people who make the laws have the true power, what is the basis of that power? Oh yeah - the laws, and their enforcement… So what the laws actually say kind of matters.

Finally, as a pet peeve I have to ask that you use “you’re”.

Hopefully this explains why racial typing can be useful BUT also why assuming that these differences all have a genetic basis is also problematic.
Gene-environment correlation and confounding - the real problem

The true complication is due to the fact that racial and ethnic groups differ from each other on a variety of social, cultural, behavioral and environmental variables as well as gene frequencies, leading to confounding between genetic and environmental risk factors in an ethnically heterogeneous study. For example, with respect to treatment response, “An individual’s response to a drug depends on a host of factors, including overall health, lifestyle, support system, education and socioeconomic status - all of which are difficult to control for and likely to be affected, at least in the United States, by a person’s ‘race’” [3].

Specifically, let us consider the practical implications of the “race-neutral approach” [3] advocated by Wilson et al. [2]. As an example, we revisit a recent study of the efficacy of inhibitors of angiotensin-converting enzyme (ACE) in 1,200 white versus 800 black patients with congestive heart failure [31] that generated a great deal of controversy [1,32]. In that study, the authors showed that black patients on the ACE inhibitor Enalapril showed no reduction in hospitalization compared with those on placebo, whereas white patients showed a strong, statistically significant difference between treatment versus placebo arms.

Let us suppose that instead of using racial labels, the authors had performed genotype cluster analysis on their combined sample. They would have obtained two clusters - cluster A containing approximately 1,200 subjects, and cluster B, containing approximately 800 subjects. They would then demonstrate that cluster A treated subjects show a dramatic response to Enalapril compared to placebo subjects, while cluster B subjects show no such response. The direct inference from this analysis would be that the difference in responsiveness between individuals in cluster A and cluster B is genetic - that is, due to a frequency difference in one or more alleles between the two groups.

But the problem should be obvious: cluster A is composed of the Caucasian subjects and cluster B the African Americans. Although a genetic difference in treatment responsiveness between these two groups is inferred, the conclusion is completely confounded with the myriad other ways these two groups might differ from each other; hence the culprit may not be genetic at all.

A racial difference in the frequency of some phenotype of interest (disease, or drug response) or quantitative trait is but a first clue in the search for etiologic causal factors. As we have illustrated, without such racial/ethnic labels, these underlying factors cannot be adequately investigated. Although some investigators might quickly jump to a genetic explanation for an ethnic difference.
http://genomebiology.com/2002/3/7/comment/2007

[quote]Grimnuruk wrote:
Philippe Rushton: Race as a Biological Concept
November 4, 1996

A race is what zoologists term a variety or subdivision of a species. Each race (or variety) is characterized by a more or less distinct combination of inherited morphological, behavioral, physiological traits. In flowers, insects, and non-human mammals, zoologists consistently and routinely study the process of racial differentiation. Formation of a new race takes place when, over several generations, individuals in one group reproduce more frequently among themselves than they do with individuals in other groups. This process is most apparent when the individuals live in diverse geographic areas and therefore evolve unique, recognizable adaptations (such as skin color) that are advantageous in their specific environments. But differentiation also occurs under less extreme circumstances. Zoologists and evolutionists refer to such differentiated populations as races. (Within the formal taxonomic nomenclature of biology, races are termed subspecies). Zoologists have identified two or more races (subspecies) in most mammalian species.

Unless one is a religious fundamentalist and believes that man was created in the image and likeness of God, it is foolish to believe that human beings are exempt from biological classification and the laws of evolution that apply to all other life forms.
http://www.lrainc.com/swtaboo/late/jpr01.html
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This has always been my problem with Rushton’s work. At best 15% of variation can be attributed to racial groups. This is FAR below the usual threshold of variation required to deem a group within a species a ‘Race’. For other large, long lived mammals you probably require over 40% variation between groups and this ignores very low Human genetic variation to begin with (about 0.1% whereas Chimps have 10x this).

The low genetic variation within the human species sets the bar for racial groupings even higher. Therefor it is correct to say that there is no biological classification basis for Human races.

I think this is where the misunderstandings set in. A biologist can, correctly, say there is no basis for race in biology. BUT this does not mean there are no genetic differences between the groups that we have historically called races, nor does it mean that these classifications are useless.

[quote]gotaknife wrote:
Hopefully this explains why racial typing can be useful BUT also why assuming that these differences all have a genetic basis is also problematic.
Gene-environment correlation and confounding - the real problem

…[/quote]

Oh yes, this is a very real issue. For complex human behavioral issues - e.g., IQ - it’s very near impossible to separate them for quantification.

My issue is that people are objecting to the discussion - and to any research into differences.

[quote]DiscMan wrote:
Kaaleppi wrote:

Your definition of oppression floats only when you exclude the possibility of an individual being oppressed. You are talking about societal oppression. The ugly duckling was oppressed. Why? Because it was in the wrong place.

Kaaleppi individual oppression does not exist, no one person has the power to completely oppress another person, that person has power only because a society gave it to them, or because of allegiance gained from other people. A Mob boss, A blood, A crip, these people singulary have no power, it is the group that makes them powerful and able to exercise force on a another. So that definition of oppression is accurate.[/quote]

Why do you bother to answer if you don’t bother to read?

[quote]gotaknife wrote:

This has always been my problem with Rushton’s work. At best 15% of variation can be attributed to racial groups. This is FAR below the usual threshold of variation required to deem a group within a species a ‘Race’. For other large, long lived mammals you probably require over 40% variation between groups and this ignores very low Human genetic variation to begin with (about 0.1% whereas Chimps have 10x this).

The low genetic variation within the human species sets the bar for racial groupings even higher. Therefor it is correct to say that there is no biological classification basis for Human races.

I think this is where the misunderstandings set in. A biologist can, correctly, say there is no basis for race in biology. BUT this does not mean there are no genetic differences between the groups that we have historically called races, nor does it mean that these classifications are useless.[/quote]

The 15% figure comes from Lewontin and is misleading causing it to be called the Lewontin fallacy which has been refuted here: http://www.goodrumj.com/Edwards.pdf

The author A.W.F. Edwards discusses it briefly here:

Your recent article on ‘Lewontin’s Fallacy’ criticises the claim that human geographical races have no biological meaning. As the article itself points out, it could have been written at any time in the last 30 years. So why did it take so long - and have you had any reactions from Lewontin or his supporters?

I can only speak for myself as to why it took me so long. Others closer to the field will have to explain why the penny did not drop earlier, but the principal cause must be the huge gap in communication that exists between anthropology, especially social anthropology, on the one hand, and the humdrum world of population and statistical genetics on the other. When someone like Lewontin bridges the gap, bearing from genetics a message which the other side wants to hear, it spreads fast - on that side. But there was no feedback. Others might have noticed Lewontin’s 1972 paper but I had stopped working in human and population genetics in 1968 on moving to Cambridge because I could not get any support (so I settled down to writing books instead). In the 1990s I began to pick up the message about only 15% of human genetic variation being between, as opposed to within, populations with its non-sequitur that classification was nigh impossible, and started asking my population-genetics colleagues where it came from. Most had not heard of it, and those that had did not know its source. I regret now that in my paper I did not acknowledge the influence of my brother John, Professor of Genetics in Oxford, because he was independently worrying over the question, inventing the phrase ‘the death of phylogeny’ which spurred me on.

Eventually the argument turned up unchallenged in Nature and the New Scientist and I was able to locate its origin. I only started writing about it after lunch one day in Caius during which I had tried to explain the fallacy across the table to a chemist, a physicist, a physiologist and an experimental psychologist - all Fellows of the Royal Society - and found myself faltering. I like to write to clear my mind. Then I met Adam Wilkins, the editor of BioEssays, and he urged me to work my notes up into a paper.

I have had no adverse reaction to it at all, but plenty of plaudits from geneticists, many of whom told me that they too had been perplexed. Perhaps the communication gap is still too large, or just possibly the point has been taken. After all, Fisher made it in 1925 in Statistical Methods which was written for biologists so it is hardly new.

http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2006/08/10-questions-for-awf-edwards.php

The Inconvenient Science of Racial DNA Profiling
By Melba Newsome 10.05.07 | 11:00 AM
On July 16, 2002, a survey crew from the Department of Transportation found Pam Kinamore’s nude, decomposing body in the area along the banks of the Mississippi known as Whiskey Bay, just west of Baton Rouge. The police tested the DNA and quickly realized that they were dealing with a serial killer: the same man who had killed two other white, middle-class women in the area.

The FBI, Louisiana State Police, Baton Rouge Police Department and sheriff’s departments soon began a massive search. Based on an FBI profile and a confident eyewitness, the Multi-Agency Homicide Task Force futilely upended South Louisiana in search of a young white man who drove a white pick-up truck. They interrogated possible suspects, knocked on hundreds of doors, held frequent press conferences and sorted through thousands of tips.

In late December, after a fourth murder, police set up a dragnet to obtain DNA from some 1200 white men. Authorities spent months and more than a million dollars running those samples against the killer’s. Still nothing.

In early March, 2003, investigators turned to Tony Frudakis, a molecular biologist who said he could determine the killer’s race by analyzing his DNA. They were unsure about the science, so, before giving him the go-ahead, the task force sent Frudakis DNA swabs taken from 20 people whose race they knew and asked him to determine their races through blind testing. He nailed every single one.

Still, when they gathered in the Baton Rouge police department for a conference call with Frudakis in mid-March, they were not prepared to hear or accept his conclusions about the killer.

“Your guy has substantial African ancestry,” said Frudakis. “He could be Afro-Caribbean or African American but there is no chance that this is a Caucasian. No chance at all.”

There was a prolonged, stunned silence, followed by a flurry of questions looking for doubt but Frudakis had none. Would he bet his life on this, they wanted to know? Absolutely. In fact, he was certain that the Baton Rouge serial killer was 85 percent Sub-Saharan African and 15 percent native American.

“This means we’re going to turn our investigation in an entirely different direction,” Frudakis recalls someone saying. “Are you comfortable with that?”

“Yes. I recommend you do that,” he said. And now, rather than later since, in the time it took Frudakis to analyze the sample, the killer had claimed his fifth victim. The task force followed Frudakis’ advice and, two months later, the killer was in custody.

Colorblind CODIS, Genetic Drift

Tony Frudakis first heard about the Baton Rouge serial killer just like everyone else outside of Louisiana – on cable news. As months went by, the body count climbed, Frudakis followed the case, thinking “why on earth can’t they catch this guy?”

Several years earlier, Frudakis’ father was shot when he confronted a would-be car thief in the driveway of his Long Beach, California, home. The thief escaped but dropped his driver’s license at the scene and was apprehended quickly. The serial killer had also left behind his identification in his DNA but, unlike a driver’s license, his genetic ID revealed nothing about his physical characteristics – or at least it revealed nothing the police could use.

The DNA forensic products available at the time could only be used to match DNA specimens in the CODIS, or Combined DNA Index System, database which contains about 5 million DNA profiles. If investigators have a crime scene sample but no suspect, they run it against those in the database to see if it matches a sample already on file.

But while CODIS is good at linking the criminals who are already catalogued from other crimes, the system is useless in identifying physical characteristics. It says nothing about race. It has been specifically set up to reveal no racial information whatsoever, in part so that the test would be consistently accurate irrespective of race.

But non-scientific considerations also factored into how the system was established. When the national DNA Advisory Board selected the gene markers, or DNA sequences which have a known location on a chromosome, for CODIS, they deliberately chose not to include markers associated with ancestral geographic origins to avoid any political maelstrom.

DNAWitness, the test Frudakis applied in the Baton Rouge case, uses a set of 176 genetic markers selected precisely because they disclose the most information about physical characteristics. Some are found primarily in people of African heritage, while others are found mainly in people of Indo-European, Native American or South Asian heritage.

No one sequence alone can predict ancestral origin. However, by looking collectively at hundreds and analyzing the frequency of the various markers, Frudakis says he could predict genetic ancestry with 99 percent accuracy.

Based on paleoarcheological evidence and other kinds of DNA testing, scientists believe we are all derived from populations that started in Africa and migrated out some 200,000 years ago. They first settled in the Fertile Crescent, the historic region of the Middle East flanked by the Mediterranean on the west and the Euphrates and Tigris rivers on the east.

Various offshoots went in every direction and eventually crossed the Bearing Strait to America and the populations became sexually isolated. This process, known as genetic drift, caused markers to evolve at different frequencies in different populations and gave rise to the ethnic diversity we see today.

“There is tremendous genetic diversity among other species of animals but not among humans because our common history is so recent,” he explains. “We’re 99.9 percent identical at the level of our DNA. It’s the .1 percent that makes us different and about 1 percent of that .1 percent is different as a function of our differing history.” Frudakis mines that .001 percent to find distinctive differences that determine genetic ancestry.

Using essentially the same science, DNAPrint helped Oprah Winfrey, Whoopi Goldberg, Quincy Jones and Chris Tucker trace their lineage back to Africa for the four-part PBS series, African American Lives. It’s also how, days after the body of 26-year-old Carrie Lynn Yoder was found at Whiskey Bay, Frudakis was able to conclude to a statistical certainty that the killer was black.

Racial DNA Profile Leads to Killer

The results from DNAPrint sent the task force scrambling back to earlier tips about non-white suspects. Three days before Pam Kinamore’s abduction, a black man had tried to rape and murder Diane Alexander in her home. She survived because her son returned home and interrupted the attack. Alexander sustained cuts, fractures and stab wounds but was able to describe the man in detail. Police never bothered to test the DNA her attacker left behind. Her case could not possibly be linked to the other murders, they reasoned, because the suspect was black.

The police had also refused to listen to the pleadings of Collette Dwyer, who thought she might know the serial killer’s identity: Derrick Todd Lee, a 34 year-old black man with an extensive rap sheet for domestic violence, assault, stalking and peeping. Lee had stalked Dwyer for two years after meeting her at the seafood shop where she worked. One day, he pushed his way into her apartment, got a drink of water and told her he wanted to “take care” of her.

Lee was arrested after her two children chased him and noticed he had a gun. He was sent to prison for two years. Dwyer called police after Pace’s murder in May, Kinamore’s in July and again in September following the release of the FBI profile. The police talked to Lee but didn’t bother to take DNA since they were looking for a white man.

But after the conference call with Frudakis, Lee jumped to the top of the suspect list. They got a subpoena for his DNA, collected a cheek swab and a day later, they had their answer: he was their man. Lee skipped town just ahead of the arrest warrant but was tracked down in Atlanta and returned to Baton Rouge within days. “CAUGHT” declared the Baton Rouge Advocate in giant print.

Relatives of the victims described their thrill and relief that a dangerous killer was finally off the streets, but also frustration that it has taken so long. Few people knew that the most crucial piece of evidence was not unearthed by the hapless task force or forensic scientists but by a drug developer some 800 miles away.

DNAWitness Does Forensics

It takes me a while to find DNAPrint Genomics in spite of its address on one of the main thoroughfares in Sarasota. The company is hidden in a small industrial park behind a chain-link fence across from a busy convenience store. The office suite is marked by a sign leaning against one wall and a laminated sheet of paper with the word ‘DNAPrint’ taped to the glass entry door. The reception area is sparsely furnished, decorated only with certificates and plaques.

I am late for my appointment but Frudakis is later. He is out to lunch and arrives 15 minutes after me. Carrying his lunch bag and dressed in jeans, hiking shoes and a muted floral shirt, he looks more like a grad student than a chief scientific officer responsible for some groundbreaking advancement. While the office is less than I expect, Frudakis is more – funny, self-effacing and candid about his life and work than I expect.

Frudakis earned a PhD in molecular and cell biology from UC Berkeley in 1995. He spent several years as a research scientist for Corixa Corporation in Seattle before starting his own company to develop genomics-based or targeted drugs. The company’s first drug is PT-401, a synthetic version of the hormone produced by the kidney to promote red-blood-cell production. It can be used to treat chemotherapy patients and anemia in people with end-stage renal disease. PT-401 made it through the pre-IND stage, which comes after animal testing and before Phase I trials, before the company ran out of money.

With drug approval years away and a gaggle of impatient investors, Frudakis shifted his focus to forensics in an effort to stay afloat. The same markers used to infer clinical characteristics relevant for drug development could also be used to infer phenotype or physical characteristics that could prove invaluable in forensics.

By the time he approached the Baton Rouge task force, DNAPrint had already performed hundreds of dry runs on the test. Its scientists studied family pedigree to make sure the ancestry traits they were measuring were indeed passed from one generation to the next. They conducted population studies, verified the repeatability of the test, determined the minimum amount of DNA required and completed more than a 1000 blind trials for various police departments.

When the serial killer’s DNA sample arrived at the Sarasota lab, technicians isolated and amplified the 176 markers, cleaned them up to remove any primers or other agents, then used the molecular address to study the sequences at each site. The resulting products were then deposited into a micro array and scanned by a Beckman SNPstream. The output was then reviewed and subjected to quality-control checks. Finally, the scores were calculated and compiled into a report for the task force.

Since 2003, DNAWitness has been used in more than 150 criminal cases all across the country and in London. Most remain unresolved. In several others, however, the science played a crucial role in narrowing the suspect field and ultimately led to an arrest. Kansas City, Missouri, police spent four years trying to identify the body of a 3-year-old black girl. Frudakis determined that the child had one white grandparent, a clue that ultimately led to the child’s mother, a biracial Oklahoma woman.

When two women were murdered in Napa, California, Frudakis applied a more advanced version of DNAWitness that uses 1349 genetic markers to peg the killer as 97 percent Northern European. “The accuracy of the test was right on,” says Napa police commander, Jeff Tromley. “They described the suspect as a blue-eyed, blond-haired, white male. When he walked in to the police station, he was a blue-eyed, blonde-haired white man.”

DNA Profiling - Pricey and Dicey

You would think that proven success in solving these types of horrific crimes would make this technology popular with police, scientists, defense attorneys and prosecutors alike. But it hasn’t.

The most obvious obstacle is price. Cmdr. Tromley, for example, has a positive opinion of DNAWitness but adds that this does not necessarily mean his department will use it very often. “This is a pretty niche product. An in-depth analysis could run from $1500 to $3000. If you don’t need that, then you probably won’t go that far,” he says.

Besides the expense, many people who might benefit from DNAWitness either don’t know it exists or are extremely skeptical that it works. William C. Thompson, Chair of the Department of Criminology, Law & Society at UC Irvine is a prominent expert on the use of DNA in criminal trials but was only marginally familiar with this technology. When I tried to describe how it works, he literally screamed at me, calling Frudakis a hack and a charlatan who obviously did not understand statistics.

But even those who believe this can be done are conflicted about whether it should be done. History is replete with examples of injustices and inequities that were conscripted into law based on racial classification. The Civil Rights movement of the 1960’s succeeded in ending legal racial discrimination, in large measure, by downplaying the significance of race and racial differences. By the mid-1990s prominent academics and sociologists even went so far as to say that race did not exist at all.

“Race is a social construct, not a scientific classification,” said an editorial in the May 3, 2001 issue of the New England Journal of Medicine, adding that “In medicine, there is only one race – the human race.”

Then, along comes Frudakis with a science that seems to be saying the opposite.

New York University professor Troy Duster is a member of the advisory committee on the Ethical, Legal and Social Issues program at the National Human Genome Research Institute and president of the American Sociological Association. Duster, who has written extensively on race and genetics, including the book Back Door to Eugenics, worries about the proverbial slippery slope.

“Once we start talking about predicting racial background from genetics, it’s not much of a leap to talking about how people perform based on their DNA – why they committed that rape or stole that car or scored higher on that IQ test,” says Duster. “In this society where race is such a powerful idea, once you head down this path toward predicting race, will the next step be predicting racial behavior?”

Narrowing the Suspect Field

Frudakis, not surprisingly, takes great pains to explain that those concerns are overblown. “Our technology is based on the notion that we all share a common ancestry to Africa from a couple hundred thousand years ago, that we are all part of the same family tree,” he says. He also counters critics who say DNAWitness is a high-tech form of racial profiling. “This is analyzing data derived from a crime scene. It’s a way for police to narrow down their suspect lists. It isn’t used as evidence in trials.”

Nevertheless, DNAPrint is still floundering. He says the National Institutes for Justice denied his grant application because it believed that this is work that should be left to the government. It’s not clear that the company will be in business a year from now, or even six months.

“Forensics stinks as a business,” Frudakis says bluntly. “Most of the testing is done by government labs with very little opportunity for private enterprise. If people valued what we did more, we would have the funds to expand the databases, learn about more phenotypes, develop more genetic screens, build more software systems.”

Frudakis still hopes that the company will be able to invest in more research. RETINOME which predicts iris color with 96 percent accuracy is on the market and was used very effectively in the Napa murder case. He has identified the gene sequences associated with height, and has compiled a database of 5000 digital photographs of people with almost every racial ancestry combination – which, one day, he says could allow him to construct a physical portrait of a DNA donor, including melanin content, skin color or eye color.

But even the people one might think should be his biggest allies aren’t supporting that, including Tony Clayton, the special prosecutor who tried one of the Baton Rouge murder cases. Clayton, who is black, admits that he initially dismissed Frudakis as some white guy trying to substantiate his racist views. He no longer believes that and says “had it not been for Frudakis, we would still be looking for the white guy in the white pick-up truck.” But then he adds, “We’ve been taught that we’re all the same, that we bleed the same blood. If you subscribe to the (Frudakis) theory, you’re saying we are inherently unequal.”

He continues: “If I could push a button and make this technology disappear, I would.”

http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2007/10/dnaprint?currentPage=all

[quote]Grimnuruk wrote:

The 15% figure comes from Lewontin and is misleading causing it to be called the Lewontin fallacy which has been refuted here: http://www.goodrumj.com/Edwards.pdf
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Interesting read (if you like stats) but the 15% figure I was referencing comes from
L. Excoffier, G. Hamilton, Science 300, 1877 (2003)
AND
BARBUJANI, et. al. (1997) An apportionment of human DNA diversity. Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. USA 94: 4516�??4519

I think the more accepted figure comes from “N. A. Rosenberg et al., Genetic structure of human populations. Science 298, 2381 (2002)”. This puts the figure at about 5-8%. This is the most extensive work to date (I could be wrong though).

Either way the variation between groups is just too low to declare the population races of a species. I am not saying racial typing is worthless, just that it would be technically incorrect.

[quote]gotaknife wrote:
Grimnuruk wrote:

The 15% figure comes from Lewontin and is misleading causing it to be called the Lewontin fallacy which has been refuted here: http://www.goodrumj.com/Edwards.pdf

Interesting read (if you like stats) but the 15% figure I was referencing comes from
L. Excoffier, G. Hamilton, Science 300, 1877 (2003)
AND
BARBUJANI, et. al. (1997) An apportionment of human DNA diversity. Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. USA 94: 4516�??4519

I think the more accepted figure comes from “N. A. Rosenberg et al., Genetic structure of human populations. Science 298, 2381 (2002)”. This puts the figure at about 5-8%. This is the most extensive work to date (I could be wrong though).

Either way the variation between groups is just too low to declare the population races of a species. I am not saying racial typing is worthless, just that it would be technically incorrect.

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These studies, while interesting, are still are missing the point as did Lewontin. Not quite apples and oranges differences but when looking at race we are looking allele frequency differences between populations and the differences are there.

Either way, I am interested to learn what you base you’re opinions stated in the last paragraph on. Variation is too low? Based on what? What is your frame of reference here? Small genetic differences can and do result in very large phenotypic differences. As to the technically correct statement, where do you get that? Is there a technical manual on the definition of race that precludes the populational differences seen in human beings?

[quote]Grimnuruk wrote:
Either way, I am interested to learn what you base you’re opinions stated in the last paragraph on. Variation is too low? Based on what? What is your frame of reference here? Small genetic differences can and do result in very large phenotypic differences. As to the technically correct statement, where do you get that? Is there a technical manual on the definition of race that precludes the populational differences seen in human beings?
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As a rule of thumb (I checked with my Prof.) a population geneticist will classify a group within a population as a race/sub-species (in biology these terms are interchangeable) when there is more genetic variation between the groups than within. This rule is sometimes relaxed but even using the 15% variation figure, this is still well short of what is required. Thus it is technically incorrect to declare that there are Human races.

[quote]Grimnuruk wrote:

These studies, while interesting, are still are missing the point as did Lewontin. Not quite apples and oranges differences but when looking at race we are looking allele frequency differences between populations and the differences are there.
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The studies don’t really miss the point. They set out to measure genetic variation among humans, and did so. Allele frequency is a part of genetic variation. By zeroing in on the small number of genes that have functionally different alleles in humans and examining their frequencies you are ignoring most of the data. These few genes might be of medical and possibly social interest but to declare a “race” you require a lot more then a few allele frequency variations.

[quote]gotaknife wrote:
Grimnuruk wrote:
Either way, I am interested to learn what you base you’re opinions stated in the last paragraph on. Variation is too low? Based on what? What is your frame of reference here? Small genetic differences can and do result in very large phenotypic differences. As to the technically correct statement, where do you get that? Is there a technical manual on the definition of race that precludes the populational differences seen in human beings?

As a rule of thumb (I checked with my Prof.) a population geneticist will classify a group within a population as a race/sub-species (in biology these terms are interchangeable) when there is more genetic variation between the groups than within. This rule is sometimes relaxed but even using the 15% variation figure, this is still well short of what is required. Thus it is technically incorrect to declare that there are Human races.

Grimnuruk wrote:

These studies, while interesting, are still are missing the point as did Lewontin. Not quite apples and oranges differences but when looking at race we are looking allele frequency differences between populations and the differences are there.

The studies don’t really miss the point. They set out to measure genetic variation among humans, and did so. Allele frequency is a part of genetic variation. By zeroing in on the small number of genes that have functionally different alleles in humans and examining their frequencies you are ignoring most of the data. These few genes might be of medical and possibly social interest but to declare a “race” you require a lot more then a few allele frequency variations. [/quote]

The concept of race existed long before the definition which you are using existed. Yes there are many definitions, yes some are more useful then others, particularly in specific situations. Yes, I’m quite sure that the one you have in mind from a population genetics perspective is quite useful. The point being people, in general, have a very good if hard to pin down idea of what race is because the concept derived from the visible phenotypic differences between groups which the layman can easily recognize.

Speaking of definitions, Vincent Sarich actually makes a point to note the difference between subspecies and race in his book. I’m not doubting you on your use of the terms, just pointing out the problem with definitions. They aren’t necessarily universal. The general public isn’t walking around looking at overall variation between individuals versus across the entire species. As scientifically literate individuals it is our responsibility to point out the differences in popular versus narrowly focused but incredibly detailed field of study definitions on this issue.

As to the last they are still looking at overall variation between humans not differences in populations. Yes, we are 99.9 percent the same. Yes there is the 85 and 15 percent variance figures that you have mentioned. None of this precludes the recognizable group differences which race was based on in the past and the noticeably different alleles provide.

Are you familiar with multilevel selection theory? (Just curious to hear whether or not this is even mentioned in mainstream education yet)been reading DS Wilson’s papers at his website and his Darwin’s Cathedral book lately.

Created Equal
Race, genes, and intelligence.
By William Saletan
Updated Tuesday, Nov. 20, 2007, at 8:03 AM ET

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights �?�

�??Declaration of Independence

Last month, James Watson, the legendary biologist, was condemned and forced into retirement after claiming that African intelligence wasn’t “the same as ours.” “Racist, vicious and unsupported by science,” said the Federation of American Scientists. “Utterly unsupported by scientific evidence,” declared the U.S. government’s supervisor of genetic research. The New York Times told readers that when Watson implied “that black Africans are less intelligent than whites, he hadn’t a scientific leg to stand on.”

I wish these assurances were true. They aren’t. Tests do show an IQ deficit, not just for Africans relative to Europeans, but for Europeans relative to Asians. Economic and cultural theories have failed to explain most of the pattern, and there’s strong preliminary evidence that part of it is genetic. It’s time to prepare for the possibility that equality of intelligence, in the sense of racial averages on tests, will turn out not to be true.

If this suggestion makes you angry�??if you find the idea of genetic racial advantages outrageous, socially corrosive, and unthinkable�??you’re not the first to feel that way. Many Christians are going through a similar struggle over evolution. Their faith in human dignity rests on a literal belief in Genesis. To them, evolution isn’t just another fact; it’s a threat to their whole value system. As William Jennings Bryan put it during the Scopes trial, evolution meant elevating “supposedly superior intellects,” “eliminating the weak,” “paralyzing the hope of reform,” jeopardizing “the doctrine of brotherhood,” and undermining “the sympathetic activities of a civilized society.”

The same values�??equality, hope, and brotherhood�??are under scientific threat today. But this time, the threat is racial genetics, and the people struggling with it are liberals.

Evolution forced Christians to bend or break. They could insist on the Bible’s literal truth and deny the facts, as Bryan did. Or they could seek a subtler account of creation and human dignity. Today, the dilemma is yours. You can try to reconcile evidence of racial differences with a more sophisticated understanding of equality and opportunity. Or you can fight the evidence and hope it doesn’t break your faith.

I’m for reconciliation. Later this week, I’ll make that case. But if you choose to fight the evidence, here’s what you’re up against. Among white Americans, the average IQ, as of a decade or so ago, was 103. Among Asian-Americans, it was 106. Among Jewish Americans, it was 113. Among Latino Americans, it was 89. Among African-Americans, it was 85. Around the world, studies find the same general pattern: whites 100, East Asians 106, sub-Sarahan Africans 70. One IQ table shows 113 in Hong Kong, 110 in Japan, and 100 in Britain. White populations in Australia, Canada, Europe, New Zealand, South Africa, and the United States score closer to one another than to the worldwide black average. It’s been that way for at least a century.

Remember, these are averages, and all groups overlap. You can’t deduce an individual’s intelligence from her ethnicity. The only thing you can reasonably infer is that anyone who presumes to rate your IQ based on the color of your skin is probably dumber than you are.

So, what should we make of the difference in averages?

We don’t like to think IQ is mostly inherited. But we’ve all known families who are smarter than others. Twin and sibling studies, which can sort genetic from environmental factors, suggest more than half the variation in IQ scores is genetic. A task force report from the American Psychological Association indicates it might be even higher. The report doesn’t conclude that genes explain racial gaps in IQ. But the tests on which racial gaps are biggest happen to be the tests on which genes, as measured by comparative sibling performance, exert the biggest influence.

How could genes cause an IQ advantage? The simplest pathway is head size. I thought head measurement had been discredited as Eurocentric pseudoscience. I was wrong. In fact, it’s been bolstered by MRI. On average, Asian-American kids have bigger brains than white American kids, who in turn have bigger brains than black American kids. This is true even though the order of body size and weight runs in the other direction. The pattern holds true throughout the world and persists at death, as measured by brain weight.

According to twin studies, 50 percent to 90 percent of variation in head size and brain volume is genetic. And when it comes to IQ, size matters. The old science of head measurements found a 20 percent correlation of head size with IQ. The new science of MRI finds at least a 40 percent correlation of brain size with IQ. One analysis calculates that brain size could easily account for five points of the black-white IQ gap.

I know, it sounds crazy. But if you approach the data from other directions, you get the same results. The more black and white scores differ on a test, the more performance on that test correlates with head size and “g,” a measure of the test’s emphasis on general intelligence. You can debate the reality of g, but you can’t debate the reality of head size. And when you compare black and white kids who score the same on IQ tests, their average difference in head circumference is zero.

Scientists have already identified genes that influence brain size and vary by continent. Whether these play a role in racial IQ gaps, nobody knows. But we should welcome this research, because any genetic hypothesis about intelligence ought to be clarified and tested.

Critics think IQ tests are relative�??i.e., they measure fitness for success in our society, not in other societies. “In a hunter-gatherer society, IQ will still be important, but if a hunter cannot shoot straight, IQ will not bring food to the table,” argues psychologist Robert Sternberg. “In a warrior society �?� physical prowess may be equally necessary to stay alive.” It’s a good point, but it bolsters the case for a genetic theory. Nature isn’t stupid. If Africans, Asians, and Europeans evolved different genes, the reason is that their respective genes were suited to their respective environments.

In fact, there’s a mountain of evidence that differential evolution has left each population with a balance of traits that could be advantageous or disadvantageous, depending on circumstances. The list of differences is long and intricate. On average, compared with whites, blacks mature more quickly in the womb, are born earlier, and develop teeth, strength, and dexterity earlier. They sit, crawl, walk, and dress themselves earlier. They reach sexual maturity faster, and they have better eyesight. On each of these measures, East Asians lag whites and blacks. In exchange, East Asians get longer lives and bigger brains.

How this happened isn’t clear. Everyone agrees that the three populations separated 40,000 to 100,000 years ago. Even critics of racial IQ genetics accept the idea that through natural selection, environmental differences may have caused abilities such as distance running to become more common in some populations than in others. Possibly, genes for cognitive complexity became so crucial in some places that nature favored them over genes for developmental speed and vision. If so, fitness for today’s world is mostly dumb luck. If we lived in a savannah, kids programmed to mature slowly and grow big brains would be toast. Instead, we live in a world of zoos, supermarkets, pediatricians, pharmaceuticals, and information technology. Genetic advantages, in other words, are culturally created.

Not that that’s much consolation if you’re stuck in the 21st century with a low IQ. Tomorrow we’ll look at some of the arguments against the genetic theory.

From: William Saletan
Subject: Environmental Impact
Posted Monday, Nov. 19, 2007, at 7:47 AM ET

Yesterday we looked at evidence for a genetic theory of racial differences in IQ. Today let’s look at some of the arguments against it. Again, I’m drawing heavily on a recent exchange of papers published by the American Psychological Association.

One objection is that IQ tests are racially biased. This is true in the broadest sense: On average, African and Asian kids have different advantages, and IQ tests focus on the things at which more Asian kids have the edge. But in the narrower sense of testing abilities that pay off in the modern world, IQ tests do their job. They accurately predict the outcomes of black and white kids at finishing high school, staying employed, and avoiding poverty, welfare, or jail. They also accurately predict grades and job performance in modern Africa. The SAT, GRE, and tests in the private sector and the armed forces corroborate the racial patterns on IQ tests. Kids of different backgrounds find the same questions easy or hard. Nor do tests always favor a country’s ethnic majority. In Malaysia, Chinese and Indian minorities outscore Malays.

If the tests aren’t racist, some critics argue, then society is. That’s true, in the sense that racism persists. But that alone can’t account for the patterns in IQ scores. Why do blacks in the white-dominated United States score 15 points higher than blacks in black-dominated African countries, including countries that have been free of colonial rule for half a century? And why do Asian-Americans outscore white Americans?

Another common critique is that race is a fuzzy concept. By various estimates, 20 percent to 30 percent of the genes in “black” Americans actually came from Europe. Again, it’s a good point, but it bolsters the case for a genetic explanation. Black Americans, like “colored” South Africans, score halfway between South African blacks and whites on IQ tests. The lowest black IQ averages in the United States show up in the South, where the rate of genetic blending is lowest. There’s even some biological evidence: a correlation between racial “admixture” and brain weight. Reading about studies of “admixture” is pretty nauseating. But the nausea doesn’t make the studies go away.

My first reaction, looking at this pattern, was that if the highest-scoring blacks are those who have lighter skin or live in whiter countries, the reason must be their high socioeconomic status relative to other blacks. But then you have to explain why, on the SAT, white kids from households with annual incomes of $20,000 to $30,000 easily outscore black kids from households with annual incomes of $80,000 to $100,000. You also have to explain why, on IQ tests, white kids of parents with low incomes ­and low IQs outscore black kids of parents with high incomes and high IQs. Or why Inuits and Native Americans outscore American blacks.

The current favorite alternative to a genetic explanation is that black kids grow up in a less intellectually supportive culture. This is a testament to how far the race discussion has shifted to the right. Twenty years ago, conservatives were blaming culture, while liberals blamed racism and poverty. Now liberals are blaming culture because the emerging alternative, genetics, is even more repellent.

The best way to assess the effects of culture and socioeconomic status is to look at trans-racial adoptions, which combine one race’s genes with another’s environment. Among Asian-American kids, biological norms seem to prevail. In one study, kids adopted from Southeast Asia, half of whom had been hospitalized for malnutrition, outscored the U.S. IQ average by 20 points. In another study, kids adopted from Korea outscored the U.S. average by two to 12 points, depending on their degree of malnutrition. In a third study, Korean kids adopted in Belgium outscored the Belgian average by at least 10 points, regardless of their adoptive parents’ socioeconomic status.

Studies of African-American kids are less clear. One looked at children adopted into white upper-middle class families in Minnesota. The new environment apparently helped: On average, the kids exceeded the IQ norms for their respective populations. However, it didn’t wipe out racial differences. Adopted kids with two white biological parents slightly outscored kids with one black biological parent, who in turn significantly outscored kids with two black biological parents. The most plausible environmental explanation for this discrepancy is that the half-black kids (in terms of their number of black biological parents) were treated better than the all-black kids. But the study shot down that theory. Twelve of the half-black kids were mistakenly thought by their adoptive parents to be all-black. That made no difference. They scored as well as the other half-black kids.

In Germany, a study of kids fathered by foreign soldiers and raised by German women found that kids with white biological dads scored the same as kids with biological dads of “African” origin. Hereditarians (scholars who advocate genetic explanations) complain that the sample was skewed because at least 20 percent of the “African” dads were white North Africans. I find that complaint pretty interesting, since it implies that North Africans are a lot smarter than other “whites.” Their better critique is that the pool of blacks in the U.S. military had already been filtered by IQ tests. Even environmentalists (scholars who advocate nongenetic explanations) concede that this filter radically distorted the numbers. But again, the complaint teaches a lesson: In any nonrandom pool of people, you can’t deduce even average IQ from race.

Other studies lend support to both sides. In one study, half-black kids scored halfway between white and black kids, but kids with white moms and black dads (biologically speaking) scored nine points higher than kids with black moms and white dads. In another study, black kids adopted into white middle-class families scored 13 points higher than black kids adopted into black middle-class families, and both groups outscored the white average.

Each camp points out flaws in the other’s studies, and the debate is far from over. But when you boil down the studies, they suggest three patterns. One, better environments produce better results. Two, moms appear to make a difference, environmentally and biologically. (Their biological influence could be hormonal or nutritional rather than genetic.) Three, underneath those factors, a racial gap persists. One problem with most of the adoption studies is that as a general rule, genetic differences in IQ tend to firm up in adolescence. And in the only study that persisted to that point (the one in Minnesota), kids scored on average according to how many of their biological parents were black.

The best argument against genetics isn’t in these studies. It’s in data that show shrinkage of the black-white IQ gap over time. From these trends, environmentalists conclude that the gap is closing to zero. Hereditarians read the data differently. They agree that the gap closed fractionally in the middle decades of the 20th century, but they argue that scores in the last two to three decades show no improvement.

I’ve been soaking my head in each side’s computations and arguments. They’re incredibly technical. Basically, the debate over the IQ surge is a lot like the debate over the Iraq troop surge, except that the sides are reversed. Here, it’s the liberals who are betting on the surge, while the conservatives dismiss it as illogical and doomed. On the one hand, the IQ surge is hugely exciting. If it closes the gap to zero, it moots all the putative evidence of genetic barriers to equality. On the other hand, the case for it is as fragile as the case for the Iraq surge. You hope it pans out, but you can’t see why it would, given that none of the complicating factors implied by previous data has been adequately explained or taken into account. Furthermore, to construe meaningful closure of the IQ gap in the last 20 years, you have to do a lot of cherry-picking, inference, and projection. I have a hard time explaining why I should go along with those tactics when it comes to IQ but not when it comes to Iraq.

When I look at all the data, studies, and arguments, I see a prima facie case for partial genetic influence. I don’t see conclusive evidence either way in the adoption studies. I don’t see closure of the racial IQ gap to single digits. And I see too much data that can’t be reconciled with the surge or explained by current environmental theories. I hope the surge surprises me. But in case it doesn’t, I want to start thinking about how to be an egalitarian in an age of genetic difference, even between races. More on that tomorrow.


From: William Saletan
Subject: All God’s Children
Posted Tuesday, Nov. 20, 2007, at 7:54 AM ET

Why write about this topic? Why hurt people’s feelings? Why gratify bigots?

Because truth matters. Because the truth isn’t as bad as our ignorant, half-formed fears and suspicions about it. And because you can’t solve a problem till you understand it.

Two days ago, I said we could fight the evidence of racial differences in IQ, or we could accept it. Yesterday, I outlined the difficulty of fighting it. What happens if we accept it? Can we still believe in equality?

Let’s look past our fears and caricatures and see what the evidence actually teaches us.

  1. Individual IQ can’t be predicted from race. According to the data, at least 15 percent to 20 percent of black Americans exceed the average IQ of white Americans. If you think it’s safe to guess that a white job applicant is smarter than a black one, consider this: The most important job in the world is president of the United States. Over the last seven years, the most important judgment relevant to that job was whether to authorize, endorse, or oppose the use of force in Iraq. Among the dozen viable candidates who have applied for the job, one is black. Guess which one got it right?

  2. Subgroup IQ can’t be predicted from race. Go back and look at the German study I mentioned yesterday. Kids fathered by black soldiers scored the same as kids fathered by white soldiers. The explanation offered by hereditarians was that blacks in the military were screened for IQ, thereby wiping out the racial IQ gap.

Think about that explanation. It undermines the claim, attributed to James Watson by the Times of London, that “people who have to deal with black employees” find equality untrue. (The Times purports to have Watson’s interview on tape but hasn’t published the whole quote or responded to requests for it.) If employment screens out lower IQs, you can’t infer squat about black employees. And that isn’t the only confounding factor. Every time a study highlights some group of blacks who score well, hereditarians argue that the sample isn’t random. That may be true, but it’s also true of the people you live next to, work with, and meet on the street. Every black person in your office could have an IQ over 120.

  1. Whitey does not come out on top. If you came here looking for material for your Aryan supremacy Web site, sorry. Stratifying the world by racial IQ will leave your volk in the dust. You might want to think about marrying a nice Jewish girl from Hong Kong. Or maybe reconsider that whole stratification idea.

  2. Racism is elitism minus information. No matter how crude race is as a proxy for intelligence, some people will use it that way, simply because they can see your skin but not your brain. What if we cut out the middleman? What if, instead of keeping individual IQs secret, we made them more transparent? If you don’t accept IQ, pick some other measure of intelligence. You may hate labeling or “tracking” kids by test scores, but it’s better than covering up what’s inside their heads and leaving them to be judged, ignorantly, by what’s on the surface.

  3. Intermarriage is closing the gap. To the extent that IQ differences are genetic, the surest way to eliminate them is to reunite the human genome. This is already happening, including in my own family. In 1970, 1 percent of U.S. marriages were between blacks and nonblacks. By 1990, it was 4.5 percent. It may be the best punch line of the IQ debate: The more genetic the racial gap is, the faster we can obliterate it.

  4. Environment matters. Genetic and environmental theories aren’t mutually exclusive. Hereditarians admit that by their own reading of the data, nongenetic factors account for 20 percent to 50 percent of IQ variation. They think malnutrition, disease, and educational deprivation account for a big portion of the 30-point IQ gap between whites and black Africans. They think alleviation of these factors in the United States has helped us halve the deficit. Transracial adoption studies validate this. Korean adoption studies suggest a malnutrition effect of perhaps 10 IQ points. And everyone agrees that the black-white IQ gap closed significantly during the 20th century, which can’t have been due to genes.

  5. IQ is like wealth. Many people who used to condemn differences in wealth have learned to accept them. Instead of demanding parity, they focus on elevating everyone to an acceptable standard of living. Why not treat IQ the same way? This seems particularly reasonable if we accept IQ in the role for which science has certified it: not as a measure of human worth, but as a predictor of modern social and economic success.

As it turns out, raising the lowest IQs is a lot easier than equalizing higher IQs, because you can do it through nutrition, medicine, and basic schooling. As these factors improve, IQs have risen. If racial differences persist, is that really so awful? Conversely, if we can raise the lowest IQs, isn’t that enough to justify the effort? One of the strangest passages in IQ scholarship is a recent attempt by hereditarians to minimize their own mediated-learning study because, while it “did raise the IQ of the African students from 83 to 97, this is still low for students at a leading university.” You’ve got to be kidding. Screw the other universities. Going from 83 to 97 is a screaming success.

  1. Life is more than g. Every time black scores improve on a test, hereditarians complain that the improvement is on “subject-specific knowledge,” not on g (general intelligence). But the more you read about progress in things other than g, the more you wonder: Does g expose the limits of the progress? Or does the progress expose the limits of g?

If the progress were on g, the test-takers’ lives would be easier, since g helps you apply what you’ve learned to new contexts. But that doesn’t make other kinds of progress meaningless. People with low IQs can learn subject by subject. And they may have compensating advantages. One of my favorite disputes in the IQ literature is about test scores in Africa. Environmentalists argued that African kids lacked motivation. Hereditarians replied that according to their own observations, African kids stayed longer to check their answers than white kids did. Diligence, too, is a transferable asset.

  1. Children are more than an investment. All the evidence on race and IQ says black kids do better at younger ages, particularly with help from intervention programs. Later, the benefits fade. Hereditarians say this is genetics taking over, as happens with IQ generally. Suppose that’s true. We don’t abandon kids who are statistically likely to get fatal genetic diseases in their teens or 20s. Why write off kids whose IQ gains may not last? The economics may not pay off, but what about human rights?

  2. Genes can be changed. Hereditarians point to phenylketunuria as an example of a genetic but treatable cognitive defect. Change the baby’s diet, and you protect its brain. They also tout breast-feeding as an environmental intervention. White women are three times more likely than black women to breast-feed their babies, they observe, so if more black women did it, IQs might go up. But now it turns out that breast-feeding, too, is a genetically regulated factor. As my colleague Emily Bazelon explains, a new study shows that while most babies gain an average of seven IQ points from breast-feeding, some babies gain nothing from it and end up at a four-point disadvantage because they lack a crucial gene.

The study’s authors claim it “shows that genes may work via the environment to shape the IQ, helping to close the nature versus nurture debate.” That’s true if you have the gene. But if you don’t, nurture can’t help you. And guess what? According to the International Hapmap Project, 2.2 percent of the project’s Chinese-Japanese population samples, 5 percent of its European-American samples, and 10 percent of its Nigerian samples lack the gene. The Africans are twice as likely as the Americans, and four times as likely as the Asians, to start life with a four-point IQ deficit out of sheer genetic misfortune.

Don’t tell me those Nigerian babies aren’t cognitively disadvantaged. Don’t tell me it isn’t genetic. Don’t tell me it’s God’s will. And in the age of genetic modification, don’t tell me we can’t do anything about it.

No, we are not created equal. But we are endowed by our Creator with the ideal of equality, and the intelligence to finish the job.

William Saletan is Slate’s national correspondent and author of Bearing Right: How Conservatives Won the Abortion War.

Article URL: Regrets

Those Saletan pieces point out exactly the kinds of conversations we need to be having across society.

And exactly the kind that we aren’t actually having, due to political correctness…

“a new study shows that while most babies gain an average of seven IQ points from breast-feeding, some babies gain nothing from it and end up at a four-point disadvantage because they lack a crucial gene.”

Interestingly the gene codes for an enzyme that converts fatty acids to DHA and AA. Eat your Flameout kids.

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
Interesting article in the NYT Science section today:

EXCERPT:

[i] At the same time, genetic information is slipping out of the laboratory and into everyday life, carrying with it the inescapable message that people of different races have different DNA. Ancestry tests tell customers what percentage of their genes are from Asia, Europe, Africa and the Americas. The heart-disease drug BiDil is marketed exclusively to African-Americans, who seem genetically predisposed to respond to it. Jews are offered prenatal tests for genetic disorders rarely found in other ethnic groups.

Such developments are providing some of the first tangible benefits of the genetic revolution. Yet some social critics fear they may also be giving long-discredited racial prejudices a new potency. The notion that race is more than skin deep, they fear, could undermine principles of equal treatment and opportunity that have relied on the presumption that we are all fundamentally equal. [/i]

Is race such a taboo subject that differences should not even be discussed?[/quote]

If the data is good we could and should make some reasonable assumptions about race and genetics, etc. But to this point the available studies do not demonstrated a solid connection regardless of what people want to believe. Twin studies conducted involving chronic disease demonstrated that only 1/4 of chronic disease was genetic related. The other 3/4 related to lifestyle and environmental factors.

So the take away is that until it can be proven that anything is genetic in nature, it is fairly inaccurate to make assumptions.