[quote]TDub301 wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]TDub301 wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
Who needs aliens or androids? But, if it’s a must, Ridley has promised a moment to rival the chestburster scene. [/quote]
It will be severely disappointing and you know it.
It will not just be a mediocre movie that started out on a great premise, it will be a clusterfuck of epic proportion, making you groan with embarrassment, an excellent beginning sacrificed on the altar of supposed mass appeal.
And you know that.
Come to the dark side, life is better here.
Why did Kubrick have to die? Cameron is still alive?
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I surrendered to the dark side once. I bought a ticket and saw unsympathetic, indulgent Jedis who deserved to die, overacting villains and a moronically naive teenager a through a haze of unconvinging, prohibitively expensive CGI.
“It’s a kids movie” he said. Didn’t stop him slaughtering the younglings in Ep.3.
You’re right. It’s a prequel. It’ll suck. [/quote]
Oh, you are revering to the infamous “oh my Senator, you are a Sith and we know that all Sith are lying liars from liarville and oh my, what big teeth you have… what is it you say? Slaughter all the catamites in the Jedi HQs? Why yes of course, you only need to ask!”
Because this way the Jedi would lose touch with the force due to sexual frustration or some such, at this point it no longer mattered.[/quote]
Question, wasn’t the whole story written before any of the movies came out? I was told it’s a 9 part story and they decided to use the middle 3 to make the original movies. If that is true, then instead of being mad at the movies themselves, why not be more mad at George Lucas for writing a story that was stupid in the beginning and awesome in the middle? If that’s already how the story goes, how could they have made the newer movies any better?
(edit: aside from better CGI and acting, of course, I’m talking in terms of the story itself)[/quote]
Yes and no. George had a very broad outline set out for the prequels at the time the original trilogy was released. I used to own a Star Wars annual from 1983 that explained Anakin fell into a river of lava after duelling Obi-Wan, so the basic plot was there.
However, he reworked certain narrative points that were supposed to be in the OT: Mace Windu featured in an early draft of the story (which is basically just a list of nonsense names. He got the story from The Hero with a Thousand Faces by Joseph Campbell). The Ewoks were never meant to be in ROTJ at all: the climax of the movie was supposed to be set on Kashyyk, the Wookie home planet, not Endor, but dwarfs dressed as teddy bears were the cheaper, cuddly option.
Windu and Kashyyk ended up in the prequels, two of the more visible recycled elements. And his habit of retro fitting the OT with unecessary links to the prequels (Vader’s “Nooo!” in Jedi?) is proof enough that a script for the prequels was never in place that early on. Everybody thought Star Wars would bomb at that point.
Unfortunately, it made Lucas so rich that he could afford to realize anything his imagination could conjure up. With the OT his ideas were reigned in by the modest budget. Any compromises worked out in his favor because he had a brilliant and innovative FX/ design team behind him.
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Ah, makes sense. I thought the stories were already written, like an official story. Didn’t know it was loose and open to changes.
Honestly, I always thought that most people were disappointed with the prequals because they were so young when the OT came out, they didn’t know any better but to think they were awesome (especially since scifi stuff like that was pretty much brand new in movies). Sort of like when you watch a cartoon show now that you loved when you were a kid and realize it was a really really stupid show. Once they got older, it wasn’t so easy to please them. I also don’t notice many old people complaining about the prequals, but that may just be me seeing what I want to see to support my own logic.[/quote]
I always thought it was the kids who liked the prequels (the argument that the prequels are for a new generation is garbage). GL never liked the OT as they were: he didn’t have the resources to realize his vision so he keeps tampering with them to the point that one day the prequels will be seen as the superior trilogy . What riles me is that the fans of his ‘incomplete masterpiece’ made him rich enough to do what he wanted, but he doesn’t have the good grace to give them what they want or even just pretend that the OT did turn out they way he wanted.
If he wants to indulge himself, he should release the unaltered OT and the Lucas special edition with Jar Jar’s underpants hanging on the wall of Jabba’s Palace and let the DVD sales decide who is right.
