[quote]zecarlo wrote:
but hate can’t exist without fear. [/quote]
Yeah, see this is where I stop buying the argument. Again, maybe I’m wrong, but I’ve seen a whole lot of ignorance in my life towards “others”. I’ve lived in New England, and near Boston long enough to see serious hate of the “other”.
There is no fear involved.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
but hate can’t exist without fear. [/quote]
Yeah, see this is where I stop buying the argument. Again, maybe I’m wrong, but I’ve seen a whole lot of ignorance in my life towards “others”. I’ve lived in New England, and near Boston long enough to see serious hate of the “other”.
There is no fear involved.[/quote]
So they hate just because? The thing is, do you hate these people? You depend upon those who hate to give their reasons and I doubt they are going to say it’s because of fear. A homophobe isn’t going to admit he fears homosexuals or homosexuality.
I went to UMass, even took a class on the history of Boston, so I also know about the hate. I was there when there was the World Series “riot”. I always got the sense that there was a lot of fear and ignorance at work. The hate for the Portuguese was something new for me as I had never known one before. I remember some “white” student explaining it to me. The reasoning seemed a bit familiar.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
So they hate just because?[/quote]
They hate because they are ignorant, or choose to be…
I hate one person, because of the actions of that one individual. I don’t have the energy to hate entire groups of people based on some arbitrary common trait or behavior…
I don’t think they would admit something that isn’t true in the first place. Words don’t describe how or why someone hates, when that is the meaning of those words. It is rather the way they are said, tone of other words, etc. Actions and general demeanor are better indicators as well, imo.
In a small world type situation, I believe we may know a couple people in common then. Depends on major and social circles, but I wouldn’t be surprised.
Too funny.
That is what I mean. There is a caste system for Latino descent as well, Puerto Ricans typically fall on the bottom of the structure in all race’s systems I’ve come across, and south east Asians aren’t doing much better.
I just can’t buy that the White people around here fear all the other racial backgrounds here, nor that the black people fear Asians or Puerto Ricans. And I know for a fact the Asians don’t fear any white people, lol…
Like I said, maybe I’m wrong here.
[quote]H factor wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]killerDIRK wrote:
Born an X-man and proud of it.
By all psychological testing I and my kind account for 1.5% of the worlds total population.
Yet you fear me because of that which you do not know…
your ignorance will be your undoing…
Unique and Deadly to those who do not know…[/quote]
The question is can you reproduce?[/quote]
One or both partners can submit sperm for IVF, and contract with a surrogate mother to bear a child.
In the case of a lesbian couple, one or both partners can become pregnant via IVF and bear the children themselves.
As I’ve hinted before, eventually the technology will become available to take haploid gametes from each partner and combine them to form a zygote from the genetic information of two male or two female partners. So the short answer to your question is “yes”.[/quote]
And what happens when civilization falls like when Rome fell and we went into the Dark Ages? You being a precious metals bug can understand that.
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Why would homosexuality lead to the fall of civilizations? It isn’t like it’s a new occurrence. [/quote]
That was not the point. The point was if our civilization falls the technology goes along with it, so homosexuals can not use IVF if the technology/civilization falls.
Technology doesn’t just go missing when a civilization falls. All of that great Greek and Roman technology was still whizzing away in Baghdad long after Rome fell.
If European and American Civilization were to fall, in vitro fertilization would still be performed at clinics in Shanghai, Singapore, St Petersburg, Dubai and New Delhi.
[quote]killerDIRK wrote:
Never have felt the need to bring another one of “me” into this fucked up society we have.
The “dark ages” where primarily the result of “church indoctrination” and set back science about
a 1000 years. So yeah, why would I want to contribute to that which I do not believe in ?[/quote]
No.
The Dark Ages were largely because of Diocletion reforms, the Visigoths, the Ostragoths, the Franks, the Langobards, the plague that more than decimated emperor Julians tax base when he tired to retake the Western Roman empire and of course the Vikings.
Withough Catholic indoctrination there would have been no science at all, let alone anything left to do science, because they copied what they could lay their hands on.
Per hand.
The Dark Ages? That term is no longer used. It was originally coined by Petrarca in reference to literature and culture. Tell the Arabs or Chinese that without Catholicism there would have been no science.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]killerDIRK wrote:
Never have felt the need to bring another one of “me” into this fucked up society we have.
The “dark ages” where primarily the result of “church indoctrination” and set back science about
a 1000 years. So yeah, why would I want to contribute to that which I do not believe in ?[/quote]
No.
The Dark Ages were largely because of Diocletion reforms, the Visigoths, the Ostragoths, the Franks, the Langobards, the plague that more than decimated emperor Julians tax base when he tired to retake the Western Roman empire and of course the Vikings.
Withough Catholic indoctrination there would have been no science at all, let alone anything left to do science, because they copied what they could lay their hands on.
Per hand. [/quote]
Yes, Europe may well have looked more like China through the middle of the millennium had the Justinianic Plague not done its handiwork. There may well have been no Islam, as well.
It’s worth noting though that the “Dark Ages” do not exactly deserve that moniker. Classical Antiquity was not without its darkness, and the Middle Ages were not without their shining lights.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Technology doesn’t just go missing when a civilization falls. All of that great Greek and Roman technology was still whizzing away in Baghdad long after Rome fell.
If European and American Civilization were to fall, in vitro fertilization would still be performed at clinics in Shanghai, Singapore, St Petersburg, Dubai and New Delhi. [/quote]
And you do not think that if the largest economy stops purchasing anything from the other places, there will be enough money to actually maintain and develop new equipment. The Chinese do not develop any new technology, they only reproduce the technology. The Chinese are good at reverse engineering stuff and mass producing it, not being the innovators.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Technology doesn’t just go missing when a civilization falls. All of that great Greek and Roman technology was still whizzing away in Baghdad long after Rome fell.
If European and American Civilization were to fall, in vitro fertilization would still be performed at clinics in Shanghai, Singapore, St Petersburg, Dubai and New Delhi. [/quote]
And you do not think that if the largest economy stops purchasing anything from the other places, there will be enough money to actually maintain and develop new equipment. The Chinese do not develop any new technology, they only reproduce the technology. The Chinese are good at reverse engineering stuff and mass producing it, not being the innovators.
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Which is why they will undoubtedly deal with the Indians and the Japanese for their new technology.
Before Europe and America collapse entirely there will be a massive brain drain from these societies to the various Asian regions. Much as our high technology and that of the Soviet Union owes much of its existence to emigre Nazi scientists after the second wprld war, emigre American and European scientists will provide all the innovation needed by the new dominant empires.
And anyway, if “the largest economy” can no longer pay the bills, what’s to prevent the Chinese from simply buying up American manufacturing companies, research centers, hospitals and universities, and running them profitably? That would provide them with plenty of innovation.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
And anyway, if “the largest economy” can no longer pay the bills, what’s to prevent the Chinese from simply buying up American manufacturing companies, research centers, hospitals and universities, and running them profitably? That would provide them with plenty of innovation. [/quote]
I am trying to state the worst case scenario. Chinese are not open to Homosexuals, neither are the Russians, Muslim Nations, nor India. They might get the technology, but the technology might not be available to the homosexual population.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Technology doesn’t just go missing when a civilization falls. All of that great Greek and Roman technology was still whizzing away in Baghdad long after Rome fell.
If European and American Civilization were to fall, in vitro fertilization would still be performed at clinics in Shanghai, Singapore, St Petersburg, Dubai and New Delhi. [/quote]
And you do not think that if the largest economy stops purchasing anything from the other places, there will be enough money to actually maintain and develop new equipment. The Chinese do not develop any new technology, they only reproduce the technology. The Chinese are good at reverse engineering stuff and mass producing it, not being the innovators.
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Have you heard of gunpowder before? Puts a bit of a hole in your argument about innovation.
[quote]cryogen wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Technology doesn’t just go missing when a civilization falls. All of that great Greek and Roman technology was still whizzing away in Baghdad long after Rome fell.
If European and American Civilization were to fall, in vitro fertilization would still be performed at clinics in Shanghai, Singapore, St Petersburg, Dubai and New Delhi. [/quote]
And you do not think that if the largest economy stops purchasing anything from the other places, there will be enough money to actually maintain and develop new equipment. The Chinese do not develop any new technology, they only reproduce the technology. The Chinese are good at reverse engineering stuff and mass producing it, not being the innovators.
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Have you heard of gunpowder before? Puts a bit of a hole in your argument about innovation.[/quote]
We are talking about Invitro Fertilization for Homosexuals. A little more technologically advanced than gunpowder. It is like comparing a nuclear bomb is to gunpowder as Invitro Fertilazation is to Natural Conception.
Is anyone else going to take the discussion out of context?
If the Chinese are not innovating it does not follow that they are unable to innovate. It more likely means that they lack the financial resources to innovate. That is changing. Also, they don’t need to be innovative. Necessity is the…you know the rest.
I am confused. IVF does not help gay men. They have to adopt to get children. IVF does help gay women. But it also helps straight couples with fertility issues. And a gay woman could (and some certainly do) get pregnant the old fashioned way.
[quote]kpsnap wrote:
I am confused. IVF does not help gay men. They have to adopt to get children. IVF does help gay women. But it also helps straight couples with fertility issues. And a gay woman could (and some certainly do) get pregnant the old fashioned way. [/quote]
Please go back and read the thread. V brought up some technology where they can get two male homosexuals dna and combine them. The still will need a surrogate, but it would be their child.
I know that this thread has been dead for quite some time. I just wanted to tell you guys that this thread is full of a lot of BS. I do not understand people who get worked up about gay people being unnatural or what people do with their lives as long as they aren’t hurting anyone. Unsurprisingly the regular culprits are at work again- a guy from Texas- who thinks that being gay is a choice and is formed by letting your sons play with dolls- yet claims he is not homophobic.
This testosterone fest you guys have going on here is stupid. Not all straight men are neanderthals; most of you guys here aren’t, but some of the comments are unreal. I’m gay and I don’t get the obsession men have with gay guys and gay sex, talking about it, joking about it, being scared of it. It is not a big deal, and people should have the freedom to be married to be equals in our society full stop. Sexuality and gender are two different things and straight men often forget that we are just as male as you guys-- not all of us are feminine, and many of us are masculine acting enough that you have no idea.
[quote]osu789 wrote:
I know that this thread has been dead for quite some time. I just wanted to tell you guys that this thread is full of a lot of BS. I do not understand people who get worked up about gay people being unnatural or what people do with their lives as long as they aren’t hurting anyone. Unsurprisingly the regular culprits are at work again- a guy from Texas- who thinks that being gay is a choice and is formed by letting your sons play with dolls- yet claims he is not homophobic.
This testosterone fest you guys have going on here is stupid. Not all straight men are neanderthals; most of you guys here aren’t, but some of the comments are unreal. I’m gay and I don’t get the obsession men have with gay guys and gay sex, talking about it, joking about it, being scared of it. It is not a big deal, and people should have the freedom to be married to be equals in our society full stop. Sexuality and gender are two different things and straight men often forget that we are just as male as you guys-- not all of us are feminine, and many of us are masculine acting enough that you have no idea.[/quote]
It’s fear more than anything. Same thing as racism, sexism, whatever. It’s people scared of their own inadequacy and afraid of something that happens to be different from them. They will make up “excuses” the same as excuses were made as we battled racism and sexism in the past.
[quote]osu789 wrote:
Unsurprisingly the regular culprits are at work again- a guy from Texas- [/quote]
“Don’t stereotype homosexuals guys… But feel free to do it to Texans”