Gay Rage

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

And if there were enough “queers” like you, wouldn’t you agitate to change society so that they would be more accepting of your inborn nature and way of life?[/quote]

V, I am not a homophobe by any stretch of the imagination. I am not saying a homosexual should go through some sort of psychological transformation, like your star trek episode and yes I have seen that episode, but there is no unbiased psychological evidence that shows homosexuals are born that way. Most evidence shows there it is more likely learned. My boys both like watching Princess Sofia on Disney Jr, but I tell them that boys do not act like girls. I teach them that men act different from girls. There are parents that encourage their boys to act like girls and girls to act like boys. Is it born in or taught? I think more study and evidence needs to be found to know for sure.
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Yeah that star trek thing was wierd… I dont care if someone wants to be gay. Personally I agree with Jim Jefferies I think the gays have a awsome time + you can actually end fights with a fist… I dont think its learned if it was how can you explain homesexual behavior in animals. Other then just admitting we are animals too and just like them some of our offspring are wired wrong. Not becuase its “wrong” but becuase it goes against the basic instict to keep our gene pool going… Unless of course you buy into the whole God hates fags nonsense… But if thats true why’s he keep making them?

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[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

Churches should be allowed to allow gay marriage or not allow it in their halls. It should be entirely up to the church. The government has no business in it. [/quote]

I am glad we both agree with this, but it really is not a far stretch for the government for force it.

Why you say? Lets look at the ACA/Obamacare. They are forcing Religious Institutions to buy contraceptives for their employees. Not churches, but Religious Institutions. For Example Catholic Charities, Catholic Hospitals, and the like. It is against their dogma to allow contraceptives, but the government is forcing them to. Do you see why I am cautious about it?
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What about businesses not hiring someone because they are Gay, or serving them in their restaurant? Do you think the government should force that?[/quote]

No.

This:

Is BS.

This:

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2013/September/Flower-Shop-Owner-Sued-for-Refusing-Gay-Wedding/

Is BS. [/quote]

Do you have the same stance if it was race?[/quote]

The only protected classes are based on Race, Religion, Age, Sex (Male or Female). Now if a business is forced to serve a Same Sex Couple you can step on Religion. The case of the Christian couple that own a bakery and do not want to make a cake for a same sex couple based on their Religion. The question is will the Government step all over the first amendment to force Religious Business Owners to cater to same sex couples. In a Free Market system people can vote with their money. If the people in this community want to buy their cakes somewhere else then they can and this business might go out of business. The government should not force this issue though.
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This could hurt heterosexuals and their relationships too, though.

Think of it: many Mississippi restaurants stop serving gays.

Gays leave Mississippi.

The Smiths, a newly-married heterosexual couple living in Jackson, buy a new house to start their life together.

They hire an interior decorator. One that isn’t gay (because no gays are left).

The interior decorator does a horrible job. (He isn’t gay.)

The stress of living in a visually repulsive environment is the back-breaking straw on the camel of their marriage.

He asks for a divorce.

She cuts his testicles off in the night.

And now this straight man has lost his testicles.[/quote]

Sorry I lol’d at this. So only Homosexuals have the ability to decorate a house? I hear women do a rather good job as well.

Now your argument follows this line of logic.

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[quote]sufiandy wrote:
So do you think gays should be added to that protected class? If not what is your reasoning? Assume the business owners are non-religious.[/quote]

I do not think so.

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:

Sorry I lol’d at this. So only Homosexuals have the ability to decorate a house? I hear women do a rather good job as well.

Now your argument follows this line of logic.

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Yes, it was not meant to be a logical argument, but to mock what I consider to be the frivolity of the “corruption of society” arguments. And really of the whole “gay agenda” argument in general.

That’s a funny cartoon though.

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[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

Sorry I lol’d at this. So only Homosexuals have the ability to decorate a house? I hear women do a rather good job as well.

Now your argument follows this line of logic.

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Yes, it was not meant to be a logical argument, but to mock what I consider to be the frivolity of the “corruption of society” arguments. And really of the whole “gay agenda” argument in general.

That’s a funny cartoon though.[/quote]

the bartender is obviously a Republican

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

Sorry I lol’d at this. So only Homosexuals have the ability to decorate a house? I hear women do a rather good job as well.

Now your argument follows this line of logic.

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Yes, it was not meant to be a logical argument, but to mock what I consider to be the frivolity of the “corruption of society” arguments. And really of the whole “gay agenda” argument in general.

That’s a funny cartoon though.[/quote]

the bartender is obviously a Republican
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Which makes you the second guy he talked to. Which means, YOU’RE GAY!!!

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[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

Sorry I lol’d at this. So only Homosexuals have the ability to decorate a house? I hear women do a rather good job as well.

Now your argument follows this line of logic.

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Yes, it was not meant to be a logical argument, but to mock what I consider to be the frivolity of the “corruption of society” arguments. And really of the whole “gay agenda” argument in general.

That’s a funny cartoon though.[/quote]

I agree with you. The same feelings you get with Religion is pushed down your throat is the same feeling I get when Gayness is pushed down mine. That cliche sounds so wrong on so many levels, but you understand what I mean.

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

Sorry I lol’d at this. So only Homosexuals have the ability to decorate a house? I hear women do a rather good job as well.

Now your argument follows this line of logic.

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Yes, it was not meant to be a logical argument, but to mock what I consider to be the frivolity of the “corruption of society” arguments. And really of the whole “gay agenda” argument in general.

That’s a funny cartoon though.[/quote]

the bartender is obviously a Republican
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Which makes you the second guy he talked to. Which means, YOU’RE GAY!!!
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I have a dog :slight_smile:

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

Sorry I lol’d at this. So only Homosexuals have the ability to decorate a house? I hear women do a rather good job as well.

Now your argument follows this line of logic.

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Yes, it was not meant to be a logical argument, but to mock what I consider to be the frivolity of the “corruption of society” arguments. And really of the whole “gay agenda” argument in general.

That’s a funny cartoon though.[/quote]

the bartender is obviously a Republican
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Which makes you the second guy he talked to. Which means, YOU’RE GAY!!!
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I have a dog :slight_smile:
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That is what you say. I am just teasing. That pic is just too funny.

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…that dog cartoon “you’re gay” made me blow cottage cheese through my nose

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

And if there were enough “queers” like you, wouldn’t you agitate to change society so that they would be more accepting of your inborn nature and way of life?[/quote]

V, I am not a homophobe by any stretch of the imagination. I am not saying a homosexual should go through some sort of psychological transformation, like your star trek episode and yes I have seen that episode, but there is no unbiased psychological evidence that shows homosexuals are born that way. Most evidence shows there it is more likely learned. My boys both like watching Princess Sofia on Disney Jr, but I tell them that boys do not act like girls. I teach them that men act different from girls. There are parents that encourage their boys to act like girls and girls to act like boys. Is it born in or taught? I think more study and evidence needs to be found to know for sure.
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With all due respect D this is absolute horseshit.

  1. For one thing I don’t think you’ll find anything near a consensus that homosexuality is “learned” and I don’t think you’re going to be able to find proof for that. It’s weird to dismiss all counter evidence as automatically biased and then assert the other side as some kind of victory. You’re going to find bias on both sides of the equation, from the ultimate gay gene articles to the “we can pray away gay” lunacy wannabe evidences. We don’t have a consensus on what causes it.

  2. I don’t know if a gay gene exists or not. I don’t know if science will ever figure this out. I can tell you that MANY parents of gay children haven’t been encouraging the behavior. My fiance’s cousin is a prime example. First off her parents are the most duck dynasty type folks you could imagine. Raised christian, conservative, traditional, hunter, etc. They have three boys. All wild and crazy. One’s gay. What’s he like? He hunts. He fishes. He does far more “manly” shit than I do. He was raised more good old boy redneck type than I ever was. I was obsessed with chasing skirts, and he wanted to chase boys. All sorts of “conservative” type people end up having gay kids in the family. Happens all the time.

You are not decreasing your kids chance of being gay by “reminding” them that is not how boys behave. You may have a gay child. Statistically you probably won’t. But the toys they play with and the shows they watch isn’t going to have anything to do with it. If it does then don’t do what my fiance’s relation did and go to church, fish, hunt, etc because clearly it causes queer in 1/3 of males.

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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

And if there were enough “queers” like you, wouldn’t you agitate to change society so that they would be more accepting of your inborn nature and way of life?[/quote]

V, I am not a homophobe by any stretch of the imagination. I am not saying a homosexual should go through some sort of psychological transformation, like your star trek episode and yes I have seen that episode, but there is no unbiased psychological evidence that shows homosexuals are born that way. Most evidence shows there it is more likely learned. My boys both like watching Princess Sofia on Disney Jr, but I tell them that boys do not act like girls. I teach them that men act different from girls. There are parents that encourage their boys to act like girls and girls to act like boys. Is it born in or taught? I think more study and evidence needs to be found to know for sure.
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With all due respect D this is absolute horseshit.

  1. For one thing I don’t think you’ll find anything near a consensus that homosexuality is “learned” and I don’t think you’re going to be able to find proof for that. It’s weird to dismiss all counter evidence as automatically biased and then assert the other side as some kind of victory. You’re going to find bias on both sides of the equation, from the ultimate gay gene articles to the “we can pray away gay” lunacy wannabe evidences. We don’t have a consensus on what causes it.

  2. I don’t know if a gay gene exists or not. I don’t know if science will ever figure this out. I can tell you that MANY parents of gay children haven’t been encouraging the behavior. My fiance’s cousin is a prime example. First off her parents are the most duck dynasty type folks you could imagine. Raised christian, conservative, traditional, hunter, etc. They have three boys. All wild and crazy. One’s gay. What’s he like? He hunts. He fishes. He does far more “manly” shit than I do. He was raised more good old boy redneck type than I ever was. I was obsessed with chasing skirts, and he wanted to chase boys. All sorts of “conservative” type people end up having gay kids in the family. Happens all the time.

You are not decreasing your kids chance of being gay by “reminding” them that is not how boys behave. You may have a gay child. Statistically you probably won’t. But the toys they play with and the shows they watch isn’t going to have anything to do with it. If it does then don’t do what my fiance’s relation did and go to church, fish, hunt, etc because clearly it causes queer in 1/3 of males. [/quote]

  1. I agree with and I never said one side is biased and my side wasn’t. You never read my last sentences.

  2. This is one example. My wife’s uncle was gay, but he was molested as a child. Greg Luganis (sp?), the diver, was molested as a child. There are more evidence of Gay men being molested as a child then gay men just being gay. There needs to be more study of this, but since the 1970’s when homosexuality was deemed not a psychiatric issue the research has been biased toward the “Gay Gene” theory. We may never know with any certainty one way or the other. I am a religious person as you know. I deem all sin sin. No sin is greater than the other. I will never damn a homosexual to Hell. Just like I will never damn a murderer to Hell, or damn a liar to Hell. I believe in Hope. Just like I am Hopeful this country can change. I believe in the human spirit and I believe God can change anyone. We all have sins/demons and we must fight them everyday.

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:

  1. I agree with and I never said one side is biased and my side wasn’t. You never read my last sentences.

  2. This is one example. My wife’s uncle was gay, but he was molested as a child. Greg Luganis (sp?), the diver, was molested as a child. There are more evidence of Gay men being molested as a child then gay men just being gay. There needs to be more study of this, but since the 1970’s when homosexuality was deemed not a psychiatric issue the research has been biased toward the “Gay Gene” theory. We may never know with any certainty one way or the other. I am a religious person as you know. I deem all sin sin. No sin is greater than the other. I will never damn a homosexual to Hell. Just like I will never damn a murderer to Hell, or damn a liar to Hell. I believe in Hope. Just like I am Hopeful this country can change. I believe in the human spirit and I believe God can change anyone. We all have sins/demons and we must fight them everyday.
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I read your last sentence but you made contradictory statements. You said there is more evidence it is learned (which is likely false or at the very least unprovable) then said we don’t know for sure. My issue was with the more evidence it is learned. This is a statement you will be hard pressed to prove.

You keep making baseless statements…

[quote]No scientifically sound study has linked sexual orientation or identity with parental role-modeling or childhood sexual abuse.

The American Psychiatric Association noted in a 2000 fact sheet on gay, lesbian and bisexual issues that “no specific psychosocial or family dynamic cause for homosexuality has been identified, including histories of childhood sexual abuse.” The fact sheet goes on to say that sexual abuse does not appear to be any more prevalent among children who grow up and identify as gay, lesbian or bisexual than in children who grow up and identify as heterosexual.

Similarly, the National Organization on Male Sexual Victimization notes on its website that “experts in the human sexuality field do not believe that premature sexual experiences play a significant role in late adolescent or adult sexual orientation” and added that it’s unlikely that someone can make another person gay or heterosexual.

With regard to Schumm’s study, critics have already said that he appears to have merely aggregated anecdotal data, a biased sample that invalidates his findings.[/quote]

Please cite evidence that we have more gay men being molested as children than just gay men. Where are you pulling these ideas from? I can’t help but feel that you’re just saying things that you think are true just to say them. Simple google searches can prove a lot of what you’re saying as false or at the very minimum misleading.

I know your a religious person and you know I’m not. I do know you’re a reasonable guy though, I just think you have some misconceptions on this that are not grounded in fact or have much actual statistical backing behind (pun alert) them.

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And we KNOW it’s not a causal relationship considering we have sexually abused people who are heterosexual and we have homosexual people who were not abused.

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Not much gay rage here.

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H, all I am saying is in this day in time, any scientific proof that will back up my side will be brushed under the rug and be claimed as Homophobic. Being Gay has changed from being a Moral issue to a Civil Rights issue. This started in the 1970s.

Here is a Pastor in Houston that gave a great sermon on Homosexuality. It is very good, and not judgmental at all. He just lays out what God says, and also what Science says about Homosexuality. He had an Uncle who he loved growing up that was Gay and died of AIDS. He brings it up in the sermon.

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:
H, all I am saying is in this day in time, any scientific proof that will back up my side will be brushed under the rug and be claimed as Homophobic. Being Gay has changed from being a Moral issue to a Civil Rights issue. This started in the 1970s.

Here is a Pastor in Houston that gave a great sermon on Homosexuality. It is very good, and not judgmental at all. He just lays out what God says, and also what Science says about Homosexuality. He had an Uncle who he loved growing up that was Gay and died of AIDS. He brings it up in the sermon.[/quote]

The issue has evolved over time it used to be classified as a mental illness. That was not why I quoted your first post or your second one. You keep making statements that you can’t back up. If someone wants to be morally opposed to homosexuality that is fine, but I’m calling someone out if they walk around spouting stuff that is demonstrably untrue or unprovable. And you have made two such statements in here.

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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:
H, all I am saying is in this day in time, any scientific proof that will back up my side will be brushed under the rug and be claimed as Homophobic. Being Gay has changed from being a Moral issue to a Civil Rights issue. This started in the 1970s.

Here is a Pastor in Houston that gave a great sermon on Homosexuality. It is very good, and not judgmental at all. He just lays out what God says, and also what Science says about Homosexuality. He had an Uncle who he loved growing up that was Gay and died of AIDS. He brings it up in the sermon.[/quote]

The issue has evolved over time it used to be classified as a mental illness. That was not why I quoted your first post or your second one. You keep making statements that you can’t back up. If someone wants to be morally opposed to homosexuality that is fine, but I’m calling someone out if they walk around spouting stuff that is demonstrably untrue or unprovable. And you have made two such statements in here. [/quote]

Watch the video. That is my scientific back ground. He does not even talk about God till 35 minutes into the sermon. He quotes study after study from around the world. Statistic after statistic.

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:
H, all I am saying is in this day in time, any scientific proof that will back up my side will be brushed under the rug and be claimed as Homophobic. Being Gay has changed from being a Moral issue to a Civil Rights issue. This started in the 1970s.

Here is a Pastor in Houston that gave a great sermon on Homosexuality. It is very good, and not judgmental at all. He just lays out what God says, and also what Science says about Homosexuality. He had an Uncle who he loved growing up that was Gay and died of AIDS. He brings it up in the sermon.[/quote]

The issue has evolved over time it used to be classified as a mental illness. That was not why I quoted your first post or your second one. You keep making statements that you can’t back up. If someone wants to be morally opposed to homosexuality that is fine, but I’m calling someone out if they walk around spouting stuff that is demonstrably untrue or unprovable. And you have made two such statements in here. [/quote]

Watch the video. That is my scientific back ground. He does not even talk about God till 35 minutes into the sermon. He quotes study after study from around the world. Statistic after statistic.
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I cannot watch the video right now, but I will watch it tonight when I get home or tomorrow. I’m guessing that it’s filled with anecdotal data or ridiculously small sample sizes, but I will give it a listen.

I’ve already proved you wrong on one part though with a link and with the obvious observation that sexual abuse and homosexuality is of course not causal. This is demonstrably true. You may think you can “prevent” gay in your kids by doing something, but how many bible worshiping conservative type parents have had gay children? The answer is a lot. In fact it’s one reason why so many right leaning people have shifted viewpoints on it. They have had a kid or loved one who ended up being homosexual. FWIW I was never “against” your post because I don’t mind someone being morally opposed to homosexuality. I just believe you’ve made statements that have no or limited backing.

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[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
Freddie Mercury could really work a crowd. [/quote]

I had to watch that just to remind myself how terrible and GAY queen was…

it worked