[quote]Makavali wrote:
Again with the militant.
When is this rainbow army attacking?[/quote]
As soon as all their pedicures are finished.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
It’s almost as if Genesis 19 was right on the money![/quote]
“Thou shalt not fuck thy mother”
Hmmm, sounds more like a hetero than homo commandment to me.
[quote]forlife wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
It’s almost as if Genesis 19 was right on the money!
“Thou shalt not fuck thy mother”
Hmmm, sounds more like a hetero than homo commandment to me.[/quote]
Gen 19
4 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom?both young and old?surrounded the house. 5 They called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.”
I think you made a mistake here. Sounds homo to me.
[quote]ninearms wrote:
And standing in the middle of the Castro telling gays they should “convert” isn’t fighting talk?[/quote]
Don’t get me wrong, i’m totally against the bigots who are fighting to prevent gays from marrying.
I just don’t condone acts that cross the line, on both ends, regardless of who is doing it.
But to answer your question, it would depend entirely on the facts of the situation and what exactly was said, how many times, if it was said directly to a homosexual, etc.
In a slightly unrelated note, i’m going to laugh my ass off at these bigots’ expense when gay marriage is legalized. Although unfortunately i’ll probably have to wait a while.
For the tolerant, anti-bigotry/discrimination folks, an invitation to a discussion about marriage.
http://www.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/world_news_war/right_to_marriage_benefits
[quote]apbt55 wrote:
I think you made a mistake here. Sounds homo to me.[/quote]
I was referring to his “motherfucking” comment, but since you brought it up:
So Lot was willing to let the mob fuck his two daughters, in order to protect his guests from the mob. Sounds like they were bisexual to me, but doesn’t it warm the cockles of your heart to hear such an example of fatherly love?
[quote]forlife wrote:
apbt55 wrote:
I think you made a mistake here. Sounds homo to me.
I was referring to his “motherfucking” comment, but since you brought it up:
Genesis 19:8 Now behold, I have two daughters who have not had relations with man; please let me bring them out to you, and do to them whatever you like; only do nothing to these men, inasmuch as they have come under the shelter of my roof.
So Lot was willing to let the mob fuck his two daughters, in order to protect his guests from the mob. Sounds like they were bisexual to me, but doesn’t it warm the cockles of your heart to hear such an example of fatherly love?[/quote]
It was an example of an extreme sacrifice for something he believed in. Like Abraham and Isaac. The funny thing you have to remember in both of those stories is that both lots daughters and Isaac were most likely willing participants in the sacrifices.
[quote]forlife wrote:
apbt55 wrote:
I think you made a mistake here. Sounds homo to me.
I was referring to his “motherfucking” comment, but since you brought it up:
Genesis 19:8 Now behold, I have two daughters who have not had relations with man; please let me bring them out to you, and do to them whatever you like; only do nothing to these men, inasmuch as they have come under the shelter of my roof.
So Lot was willing to let the mob fuck his two daughters, in order to protect his guests from the mob. Sounds like they were bisexual to me, but doesn’t it warm the cockles of your heart to hear such an example of fatherly love?[/quote]
I didn’t know that God said lot was right for his actions concerning his daughters? Where is the praise of lot’s actions?
The emphasis of the passage was on the state of the city and its populations actions no more no less.
You don’t have to agree with it, and I am not defending it, but you do need to make a coherent and relevent argument rather than an ad hom attack on the text that is in no way relelvent. especially since there is no praise or justification of lots actions. Just like there was no justification for abram when he told everyone that sarah was his sister.
In the end it doesn’t much matter, gay people can’t hit all that hard…
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
forlife wrote:
apbt55 wrote:
I think you made a mistake here. Sounds homo to me.
I was referring to his “motherfucking” comment, but since you brought it up:
Genesis 19:8 Now behold, I have two daughters who have not had relations with man; please let me bring them out to you, and do to them whatever you like; only do nothing to these men, inasmuch as they have come under the shelter of my roof.
So Lot was willing to let the mob fuck his two daughters, in order to protect his guests from the mob. Sounds like they were bisexual to me, but doesn’t it warm the cockles of your heart to hear such an example of fatherly love?
It was an example of an extreme sacrifice for something he believed in. Like Abraham and Isaac. The funny thing you have to remember in both of those stories is that both lots daughters and Isaac were most likely willing participants in the sacrifices.[/quote]
No it was the cultural norm for the day that you protect your guests. Similiar to the tribal region of pakistan in our day and time. They have cultural rules which dictate how they treat guests.
There was an article about how some of those tribes in pakistan can’t surrender thier guest because of their culture and that it would be a problem for the U.S. in the war on terror.
[quote]forlife wrote:
apbt55 wrote:
I think you made a mistake here. Sounds homo to me.
I was referring to his “motherfucking” comment, but since you brought it up:
Genesis 19:8 Now behold, I have two daughters who have not had relations with man; please let me bring them out to you, and do to them whatever you like; only do nothing to these men, inasmuch as they have come under the shelter of my roof.
So Lot was willing to let the mob fuck his two daughters, in order to protect his guests from the mob. Sounds like they were bisexual to me, but doesn’t it warm the cockles of your heart to hear such an example of fatherly love?[/quote]
This is not one of your more introspective postings.
Well the sister thing was a cowardly act.
I said homo because he said hetero it was not an attack, just a play on words.
[quote]haney1 wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
forlife wrote:
apbt55 wrote:
I think you made a mistake here. Sounds homo to me.
I was referring to his “motherfucking” comment, but since you brought it up:
Genesis 19:8 Now behold, I have two daughters who have not had relations with man; please let me bring them out to you, and do to them whatever you like; only do nothing to these men, inasmuch as they have come under the shelter of my roof.
So Lot was willing to let the mob fuck his two daughters, in order to protect his guests from the mob. Sounds like they were bisexual to me, but doesn’t it warm the cockles of your heart to hear such an example of fatherly love?
It was an example of an extreme sacrifice for something he believed in. Like Abraham and Isaac. The funny thing you have to remember in both of those stories is that both lots daughters and Isaac were most likely willing participants in the sacrifices.
No it was the cultural norm for the day that you protect your guests. Similiar to the tribal region of pakistan in our day and time. They have cultural rules which dictate how they treat guests.
There was an article about how some of those tribes in pakistan can’t surrender thier guest because of their culture and that it would be a problem for the U.S. in the war on terror.
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So we are in agreement the bible depicts homosexuality as immoral, because I remember someone saying that jesus never said that because he didn’t specifically use the word homosexual. HE used a blanket statement sexual immorality.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
It was an example of an extreme sacrifice for something he believed in. Like Abraham and Isaac. The funny thing you have to remember in both of those stories is that both lots daughters and Isaac were most likely willing participants in the sacrifices.[/quote]
So it’s ok to let a mob rape your daughters, if you think it is really, really important to protect your guests?
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
forlife wrote:
apbt55 wrote:
I think you made a mistake here. Sounds homo to me.
I was referring to his “motherfucking” comment, but since you brought it up:
Genesis 19:8 Now behold, I have two daughters who have not had relations with man; please let me bring them out to you, and do to them whatever you like; only do nothing to these men, inasmuch as they have come under the shelter of my roof.
So Lot was willing to let the mob fuck his two daughters, in order to protect his guests from the mob. Sounds like they were bisexual to me, but doesn’t it warm the cockles of your heart to hear such an example of fatherly love?
It was an example of an extreme sacrifice for something he believed in. Like Abraham and Isaac. The funny thing you have to remember in both of those stories is that both lots daughters and Isaac were most likely willing participants in the sacrifices.[/quote]
Abysmal exegesis.
[quote]haney1 wrote:
You don’t have to agree with it, and I am not defending it, but you do need to make a coherent and relevent argument rather than an ad hom attack on the text that is in no way relelvent.[/quote]
I thought we were talking about Genesis 19 as an example of the evil gays. I’m pointing out that a) Lot wasn’t exactly righteous, and b) they were bisexual in any case or Lot wouldn’t have tantalized them with his two daughters. Down with the evil bisexuals!
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Again with the militant.
When is this rainbow army attacking?[/quote]
Your ignorance is astounding. Sit down and shut the fuck up.
Thanks.
[quote]forlife wrote:
haney1 wrote:
You don’t have to agree with it, and I am not defending it, but you do need to make a coherent and relevent argument rather than an ad hom attack on the text that is in no way relelvent.
I thought we were talking about Genesis 19 as an example of the evil gays. I’m pointing out that a) Lot wasn’t exactly righteous, and b) they were bisexual in any case or Lot wouldn’t have tantalized them with his two daughters. Down with the evil bisexuals!
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Well, as the APA likes to point out in its pamphlet, sexuality is more of a continuum than a binary gay/hetero thing.
In this case, Genesis 19 is an apt description of the gay tolerance and “live and let live” we see from the anti-prop 8 crowd.
Saying sexuality is a continuum doesn’t imply that everyone is bisexual. It means people vary in where they are on that continuum. Some are gay, some are bisexual, and some are straight.
In this case, the mob was clearly bisexual rather than gay.
[quote]forlife wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
It was an example of an extreme sacrifice for something he believed in. Like Abraham and Isaac. The funny thing you have to remember in both of those stories is that both lots daughters and Isaac were most likely willing participants in the sacrifices.
So it’s ok to let a mob rape your daughters, if you think it is really, really important to protect your guests?[/quote]
I never said that it would have been okay. It is important also to note that it never happened.
Regardless, I don’t think sexual preference was the point of the passage. Even if you consider it as a teaching on sexual sin, I think it would be more about rape than homosexuality.
My point was that the story is in the Bible to illustrate certain Christian principals, like relying on God and putting him first above all else. And when you do that things seem to work out for the best.
If you want teachings more on sexuality as it pertains specifically to Christian texts (new testament) check out Romans.