Gay Marriage Down in Flames!

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Makavali wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Why are we supposed to shut up and just accept Obama’s victory, yet the lib/gay/mental case maniacs aren’t supposed to shut up and accept a vote?

Because you WON’T shut up about Obama. The nature of humanity is to complain loudly and do nothing when you don’t like something. Right?

We DID do something — we voted against gay marriage. WTF else are we supposed to do? I suppose we could put all gays in death camps (North Korea) or use religion to terrorize them into silence (Iran) but we’re more civilised than that.

What’s the status of gay marriage in NZ?

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Civil unions. Basically a marriage, just not called as such.

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Ha ha…that’s why it’s voted down just about every single time it comes to a vote.
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As I said earlier, you only support polls that reinforce your agenda. None of those that prove you wrong reflect the will of the people. What a coincidence.

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[quote]forlife wrote:
Why not simply answer the question?

Do you think straight couples want to marry or have civil unions solely on the basis of monetary greed? Why or why not?[/quote]

Sure why not I’ll answer your question, but make sure and read the entire post this time. I believe marriage and civil unions are 2 different things. I believe people want to enter into “civil union” for the monetary benefits no different then gays. As I have stated civil unions for gays if fine by me. Now marriage is a different story. Marriage is the combination of 2 people in the pursuit of a closer relationship with God. It is a spiritual commitment beyond government benefits. Now you brought up atheist and whether or not they should be able to get married. The answer is they have to find a religion that will allow them to marry, but I doubt an atheist would care if they had a “religious” ceremony of not.

In most case going to the local court is enough, but if they want a religious or whatever ceremony they need to find someone willing to do the ceremony. If you are an atheist and you went to a Catholic church and asked the priest to marry you he would say no. So like I have already posted start a religion/cult whatever and get your self married. Whatever it is your life, do what you want, but I am tired of the BS you and the gay community spout when your hidden agenda is really just about money. Why would you get married? If marriages are religious why would a gay couple even want to get married in the first place? A civil union should be enough.

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Sure why not I’ll answer your question, but make sure and read the entire post this time. I believe marriage and civil unions are 2 different things. I believe people want to enter into “civil union” for the monetary benefits no different then gays. As I have stated civil unions for gays if fine by me. Now marriage is a different story. Marriage is the combination of 2 people in the pursuit of a closer relationship with God. It is a spiritual commitment beyond government benefits.

Now you brought up atheist and whether or not they should be able to get married. The answer is they have to find a religion that will allow them to marry, but I doubt an atheist would care if they had a “religious” ceremony of not. In most case going to the local court is enough, but if they want a religious or whatever ceremony they need to find someone willing to do the ceremony. If you are an atheist and you went to a Catholic church and asked the priest to marry you he would say no. So like I have already posted start a religion/cult whatever and get your self married. Whatever it is your life, do what you want, but I am tired of the BS you and the gay community spout when your hidden agenda is really just about money. Why would you get married? If marriages are religious why would a gay couple even want to get married in the first place? A civil union should be enough.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I believe people want to enter into “civil union” for the monetary benefits no different then gays. As I have stated civil unions for gays if fine by me. Now marriage is a different story. Marriage is the combination of 2 people in the pursuit of a closer relationship with God. It is a spiritual commitment beyond government benefits. [/quote]

Do you recognize that civil unions could have advantages to the family and society beyond monetary issues? Do you think children are better off with parents that are in a civil union vs. parents that are not legally joined, with the associated civic benefits and penalties of that commitment?

Are you proposing that people married by government officials, rather than by ordained ministers, should not be able to marry?

What about people getting married in religious traditions that don’t recognize the Christian “god”, like Buddhism?

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[quote]forlife wrote:
What about people getting married in religious traditions that don’t recognize the Christian “god”, like Buddhism?[/quote]

Or Atheists, or certain segments of Hinduism, or so forth and so forth. This is exactly why I have a problem with people bringing God into debates like this. Not everyone believe what everyone else believes.

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
You knit wit…[/quote]

Nitwit.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:

That won’t happen. It’s a perversion, remember? Just like interracial marriage, women’s rights and black peoples rights.[/quote]

I’m curious, Makavali:

  1. You (and others) often state that there is no moral difference in interracial marriage and gay marriage when it comes to equality.

  2. We know, as a statistical fact, that, by-and-large, black Americans do not approve of gay marriage and vote against it (Prop 8 being a good example).

As such, black Americans are the moral equivalent of the white racists that stood against interracial marriage?

They are the same creature, no?

Looking forward to your answer.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

I’m done arguing with you due to the fact that you apparently can’t read and interpret words in very strange ways. [/quote]

Good that you figured this out early.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
forlife wrote:
Why not simply answer the question?

Do you think straight couples want to marry or have civil unions solely on the basis of monetary greed? Why or why not?

Sure why not I’ll answer your question, but make sure and read the entire post this time. I believe marriage and civil unions are 2 different things. I believe people want to enter into “civil union” for the monetary benefits no different then gays. As I have stated civil unions for gays if fine by me. Now marriage is a different story. Marriage is the combination of 2 people in the pursuit of a closer relationship with God. It is a spiritual commitment beyond government benefits. Now you brought up atheist and whether or not they should be able to get married. The answer is they have to find a religion that will allow them to marry, but I doubt an atheist would care if they had a “religious” ceremony of not.

In most case going to the local court is enough, but if they want a religious or whatever ceremony they need to find someone willing to do the ceremony. If you are an atheist and you went to a Catholic church and asked the priest to marry you he would say no. So like I have already posted start a religion/cult whatever and get your self married. Whatever it is your life, do what you want, but I am tired of the BS you and the gay community spout when your hidden agenda is really just about money. Why would you get married? If marriages are religious why would a gay couple even want to get married in the first place? A civil union should be enough. [/quote]

Originally, Christian marriage did not need a priest.

A priest was sometimes present, but only as witness.

Ironically it was an attempt to get marriage under the control of government that made priests mandatory.

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
As such, black Americans are the moral equivalent of the white racists that stood against interracial marriage?

They are the same creature, no?[/quote]

Of course not. Anyone that stands against gay marriage because of their own prejudice is the moral equivalent of the white racists.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:

Of course not. Anyone that stands against gay marriage because of their own prejudice is the moral equivalent of the white racists.[/quote]

Exactly - so black Americans that oppose gay marriage are the equivalent of the white racists that stood against racial equality?

Good to know.

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You are missing the point. Those that do not believe in the Christina God get married according to THEIR RELIGIOUS BELIEF! So create your own religion and get married. How hard is it for you to read that I am fine with civil unions for all? I have stated that several times, but an Atheist isn’t going to be married by a Priest. They are going to find someone to carry out a ceremony for them. If gays want to “get married” find someone that will marry them, but it is not going to be a religion.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:
forlife wrote:
What about people getting married in religious traditions that don’t recognize the Christian “god”, like Buddhism?

Or Atheists, or certain segments of Hinduism, or so forth and so forth. This is exactly why I have a problem with people bringing God into debates like this. Not everyone believe what everyone else believes.[/quote]

How can you not bring God up in this debate? God is essential to a marriage. A civil union is different that is a government contract beneficial to both parties.

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
You knit wit, my “proof” goes far beyond mere polls…
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Just because I’m gay doesn’t mean I knit.

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Good that you figured this out early.
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What a dumb ass. You are the master of dodging questions and regurgitating the same tripe over and over again…“not listening, LA LA LA!”.

I have shown how your claim that gay marriage hurts straight marriage is unfounded, and how an increase in children raised by gay parents does not translate to a decrease in children raised by their biological parents as you like to claim.

Instead of countering the point with a logical argument, you just repeat the claim. Sorry, but that won’t win you any points in the debate department.

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[quote]forlife wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
You knit wit, my “proof” goes far beyond mere polls…

Just because I’m gay doesn’t mean I knit.[/quote]

Damn I was hoping for a sweater for chrismtas.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
You are missing the point. Those that do not believe in the Christina God get married according to THEIR RELIGIOUS BELIEF! So create your own religion and get married. How hard is it for you to read that I am fine with civil unions for all? I have stated that several times, but an Atheist isn’t going to be married by a Priest. They are going to find someone to carry out a ceremony for them.[/quote]

You’re the one missing the point. Here it is again:

If an atheist can get married by someone that is not a priest, how does that translate to marriage being a religious ceremony?

Do you not understand that people can get married civilly, without needing to involve religion at all? If that is the case, how can marriage be the exclusive domain of religion?

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
How can you not bring God up in this debate? God is essential to a marriage.[/quote]

Hindus have literally thousands of Gods. Why limit yourself to the singular? Are those Gods not essential to a Hindu marriage, just as your God is essential to a Christian marriage?