[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Why are we supposed to shut up and just accept Obama’s victory, yet the lib/gay/mental case maniacs aren’t supposed to shut up and accept a vote?
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Because you WON’T shut up about Obama. The nature of humanity is to complain loudly and do nothing when you don’t like something. Right?
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Why are we supposed to shut up and just accept Obama’s victory, yet the lib/gay/mental case maniacs aren’t supposed to shut up and accept a vote?
Because you WON’T shut up about Obama. The nature of humanity is to complain loudly and do nothing when you don’t like something. Right?[/quote]
That is certainly true, though I don’t like to admit it…haha
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Why are we supposed to shut up and just accept Obama’s victory, yet the lib/gay/mental case maniacs aren’t supposed to shut up and accept a vote?
Because you WON’T shut up about Obama. The nature of humanity is to complain loudly and do nothing when you don’t like something. Right?[/quote]
We DID do something — we voted against gay marriage. WTF else are we supposed to do? I suppose we could put all gays in death camps (North Korea) or use religion to terrorize them into silence (Iran) but we’re more civilised than that.
What’s the status of gay marriage in NZ?
[quote]Amused59 wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
forlife wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
The whole issue is about money. It always has been and it always will be.
Because god knows marriage doesn’t provide any emotional benefits, and that children and society aren’t better off due to the stability that marriage provides.
Then start a religion and get married no one is stopping you, but you want the federal government to recognize your marriage 2 different things.
Marriage=Religion
Union=Government
I have no problem with gays being a part of a union, but call it what it is. It is for the monetary benefits of marriage. Homosexuals cannot reproduce so they will have to rely on others for children and you do not need to be married to reap emotional benefits. If you truly believe you and your boyfriend are spiritually one then you are. No one can take that away from you, but at the end of the day all the gay community is arguing about is money.
Even if the final argument is a financial one, why should we discriminate against gay people? Don’t you think the ability of any couple to partake in survivors benefits, informed medical consent and certain tax advantages strengthens that union and society as a whole?
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That’s fine with me I just want the gay community to stop acting like they are on some holy mission and admit they just want the monetary benefits associated with marriage. I mean just man up and say what it is you really want. That’s all I ask.
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
clip11 wrote:
I still think its a choice…my girlfriend (for lack of a better term we going through stuff right now) was in a lesbian relationship when I met her. She went through a period were she only had sex with other women.
When she was 12 she told me later on, she was repaetedly raped by her father (i think this strongly had something to do with her being a lesbian for a while).
Now she tells me over and over that she is no longer that way and she just likes men now. So if she can just stop being that way, then i suspect a lot of others can to, because if she was born that way she would be that way regardless of whether I was in the picture or not.
In fact she left her girlfriend because her girlfriend didnt like tht fact that she was talking to me (i was having sex with her while she was with her girlfriend).
The point is if she was born like that she would still be like that, you wont be able to turn it on and off.
Lol. That’s until you come home to find a woman in bed with her. Just hope they let you join.
Anyhow, the fact that your girlfriend was scared of penises doesn’t mean she was EVER actually a lesbian or attracted to women. She just felt safer and less threatened having an intimate relationship with a woman at that time.[/quote]
That wont happen…she know I would crack both of their heads. Plus she in love with me like a motherfucker.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Why are we supposed to shut up and just accept Obama’s victory, yet the lib/gay/mental case maniacs aren’t supposed to shut up and accept a vote?
Because you WON’T shut up about Obama. The nature of humanity is to complain loudly and do nothing when you don’t like something. Right?[/quote]
Oftentimes ppl dont know what to do or where to start.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
And this is exactly what I argued above - enact gay marriage, and more children will be raised by gay couples, and that does not square with the goal of marriage.
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Wrong. What you argued above was that one goal of marriage is to keep children with their biological parents.
You have failed to show that gay marriage interferes in any way with this goal.
You keep harping about the increase of children raised by gay couples, without demonstrating that this increase translates to fewer children being raised by their biological parents.
I described in detail the three situations in which gay couples might have children, and you failed to show how any of these situations results in a net decrease of children being raised by their biological parents.
Once again:
Stop equating the increase of children raised by gay parents with the decrease of children raised by their biological parents. You know as well as I do that this is just a smokescreen, because it doesn’t change the math, whether you look at children being raised now or in the future.
[quote]clip11 wrote:
I still think its a choice…my girlfriend…[/quote]
Have you considered that maybe your girlfriend is bisexual rather than lesbian?
Obviously, people vary in where they are wired on the sexual orientation scale. Just because one person is able to feel romantically attracted to both genders doesn’t mean all people can.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
If you truly believe you and your boyfriend are spiritually one then you are. No one can take that away from you, but at the end of the day all the gay community is arguing about is money.
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The point is that marriage, due to the civil responsibilities associated with it, provides a level of stability and security to the relationship, to their children, and to society which otherwise would not exist.
By your logic, there would be no reason to provide marriage to straight couples either.
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
As I said MOST of the country is against the particular perversion of homosexuality.
Don’t like that huh? Matters not you’re not from here anyway.
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You only care about polls that support your agenda. When polls turn against you, you cry foul and whine about the numbers not reflecting the true will of the people.
Case in point:
Public opinion favoring equal treatment of gays in the U.S. has steadily increased over time.
As reported by CBS this year, the majority of Americans (58%) now support either marriage or civil unions for gay couples.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
That’s fine with me I just want the gay community to stop acting like they are on some holy mission and admit they just want the monetary benefits associated with marriage. I mean just man up and say what it is you really want. That’s all I ask. [/quote]
Do you honestly believe that straight couples only want to get married for the monetary benefits? Why or why not?
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
That’s fine with me I just want the gay community to stop acting like they are on some holy mission and admit they just want the monetary benefits associated with marriage. I mean just man up and say what it is you really want. That’s all I ask. [/quote]
Do you honestly believe that straight couples only want to get married for the monetary benefits? Why or why not?
[quote]forlife wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
If you truly believe you and your boyfriend are spiritually one then you are. No one can take that away from you, but at the end of the day all the gay community is arguing about is money.
The point is that marriage, due to the civil responsibilities associated with it, provides a level of stability and security to the relationship, to their children, and to society which otherwise would not exist.
By your logic, there would be no reason to provide marriage to straight couples either.
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Who provides marriage? Let me answer that for you…God. Like I said before a civil union is fine by me, but call it what it is. You want the benefits the government gives to straight couples that agree to a civil union. Like I said civil union=Government…Marriage=God. I don’t believe you are “married” when the state gives you a piece of paper that says so. All a civil union is, is a contract between you and your wife/husband, a contract the state recognizes. I don’t believe marriage and civil union are the same thing.
You don’t have to be married in order to have a secure stable home. No one is stopping you from moving in with, adopting children with, or loving whom ever you want. It is the people in a relationship that make homes safe and secure not a piece of paper.
Lastly I don’t give a shit if the government says I am or am not married to my wife. I know I am I don’t need anyone to tell me that.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Who provides marriage? Let me answer that for you…God.[/quote]
So atheists shouldn’t be allowed to marry?
So straight couples shouldn’t be allowed to marry or have civil unions? Or those that do are just money hungry, rather than having other valid reasons for seeking marriage/civil union?
[quote]forlife wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
Who provides marriage? Let me answer that for you…God.
So atheists shouldn’t be allowed to marry?
You don’t have to be married in order to have a secure stable home. No one is stopping you from moving in with, adopting children with, or loving whom ever you want. It is the people in a relationship that make homes safe and secure not a piece of paper.
So straight couples shouldn’t be allowed to marry or have civil unions? Or those that do are just money hungry, rather than having other valid reasons for seeking marriage/civil union?
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I’m done arguing with you due to the fact that you apparently can’t read and interpret words in very strange ways.
Why not simply answer the question?
Do you think straight couples want to marry or have civil unions solely on the basis of monetary greed? Why or why not?