[quote]forlife wrote:
apbt55 wrote:
But people aren’t truly equal and never will be.
By that argument, blacks and women should never have been given the right to vote.[/quote]
I don’t think voting should be a right to everyone of a certain age, there should be other criteria.
But again no the arguement, they aren’t equal in their abilities, what they are capable of doing.
It isn’t a black or female thing it is do you understand the values that define this country, are you rationale, can you understand the language of the ballot,
That pisses me off, It’s america if you can’t understand english there is absolutely no way you should vote.
Oh and if it isn’t a sexual thing, then why not just be friends, share coffee, why have sex.
Don’t be an idiot, SEXual orientation, it’s about sex.
[quote]forlife wrote:
rainjack wrote:
It “appeared” that the world was flat - until there was real proof to the contrary.
It also “appears” that gravity, atomic energy, and the expansion of the universe are actual phenomena. Of course, you can’t “prove” any of that by your standard.
What you don’t get is that it is impossible for science to “prove” anything by your definition. So that conveniently allows you to dismiss anything that doesn’t agree with your world view.
Then again, maybe you’re right and every major mental health and medical organization in the world is wrong. You’re just that smart.[/quote]
I never said I was smart. I think you are the guy who trips over his PhD just about every time he tries to convey a thought.
What you don’t get is that if there were REAL proof - we would not be having this discussion, and genetically gay babies would be filling the trash cans of abortion clinics all across the country.
Wave your arms and call me stupid all you want. You don’t have the proof to convince anyone but the pro-gay crowd. I am not part of that crowd.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
forlife wrote:
rainjack wrote:
It “appeared” that the world was flat - until there was real proof to the contrary.
It also “appears” that gravity, atomic energy, and the expansion of the universe are actual phenomena. Of course, you can’t “prove” any of that by your standard.
What you don’t get is that it is impossible for science to “prove” anything by your definition. So that conveniently allows you to dismiss anything that doesn’t agree with your world view.
Then again, maybe you’re right and every major mental health and medical organization in the world is wrong. You’re just that smart.
This is your obvious blind spot. The consensus of the “medical and mental organizations” is in error, as there are recent papers demonstrating very clearly the elevated level of mental problems and suicidality in the gay community. Of course, these are blame-shifted off onto prejudice by straights rather than onto homosexuals for their promiscuity, but I linked several in our last discussion. In fact, the thing that caused homosexuality ITSELF to be listed from the DSM-IV is the fact that homosexuals displayed no more psychological illness than straights. Recent papers demonstrate the error of this logic. Will you now call for homosexuality to be re-added to the DSM-IV? Of course not. Your religiosity is showing.
There are psychological and social factors influencing sexual orientation, yet you like to focus on the genetic/environmental. To the others, you turn a blind eye, even when they were on display for all yesterday during the homo-fascist protests of the democratic process. [/quote]
Correct.
It is the oh we can’t hurt peoples feelings community that says it isn’t a disease or disorder. Anything that can stop you from procreating is a disease. erectile disfuntion, not ovulating, sorry it just is.
And I am not going to agree with some half wit who is interjecting their personal guilt trips into their scientific analysis.
I’m Gay, but want the title of being “Married”, yet I reject the religious institution that created marriage.
I’m Musilm, but I want all Mormons to call me Mormon, and I reject the mormon way of life…
Given that all RIGHTS in a civil union are equall to “Marriage”, are we not just talking about a title here?
Additionally, I think San Francisco sealed their fate with Prop 8 in CA by letting a gay teacher take her class to a gay marriage as a field trip. I personally find that rediculous, offesive and way overstepping the bounds of topics any school should teach.
The fact that our youngsters are taught this proactively is an embarassing shame. Their young minds should not be processing this sort of information yet, gay or straight. No field trip should include weddings.
In my view it is direct marketing to children to be gay, just like cigarette ads are targeted at young kids. It directly challenges and undermineds traditional lifestyles that 90 plus percent of the world live in order to keep our human species alive.
[quote]apbt55 wrote:
forlife wrote:
Makavali wrote:
What is up with the “lifestyle choice” drivel I keep reading. That is utter bullshit. If you’re a straight male, you know just how overpowering the allure of an attractive female is. Could YOU overturn that desire and sleep with men?
It’s not a lifestyle choice. Gay men have the same urges when the see a male that we do when we see a female.
It seems obvious, but they are so convinced that homosexuality is evil/perverse that they refuse to acknowledge it.
Why the hell they think people would choose a “lifestyle” that exposes them to hatred and discrimination is beyond me.
I didn’t choose it, but I have since learned to embrace it as a core part of who I am.
Ok so how is differnt then guys that are attracted to farm animals.
If you are going that route, then that isn’t evil either.
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I’ve pointed this out before and was vilified. Maybe you’ll get a better reaction.
Michelle Malkin wonders when the homo-fascist brownshirts will be assaulting blacks and Mexicans in south Los Angeles for their support of prop 8 like they did the Mormons, Christians, and the elderly. Good question. My guess is that they haven’t the testicular fortitude.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
The consensus of the “medical and mental organizations” is in error, as there are recent papers demonstrating very clearly the elevated level of mental problems and suicidality in the gay community.[/quote]
I love armchair scientists. You skim a topic and presume your uninformed opinion is more valid than the collective consensus of the entire scientific community.
Do you really think all of these organizations haven’t evaluated the research you mention? That research, by the way, has been conducted over the past 35 years and is hardly recent as you claim.
Have you considered that the anxiety and depression experienced by many in the gay community is the result of the discrimination and negative attitudes that gays face? Did you know that gays who try to change their sexual orientation have double the risk of anxiety, depression, drug/alchol abuse, and suicidal thoughts?
When gays embrace who they are, they are no different on those measures than anyone else. I experienced anxiety and depression when I was in the closet, but I am a balanced, loving, generally happy person now that I embrace who I am.
Again, the bottom line is that you are not the expert, much as you like to think you are. Every major medical and mental health organization disagrees with you, and you can’t get around that. Get off your fucking high horse and realize that you just might be wrong.
[quote]apbt55 wrote:
SEXual orientation, it’s about sex.[/quote]
Have you ever experienced a romantic relationship with a woman? Have you ever actually loved a woman on every level? Do you think you could experience that same intimacy across all levels with another man?
[quote]rainjack wrote:
What you don’t get is that if there were REAL proof - we would not be having this discussion, and genetically gay babies would be filling the trash cans of abortion clinics all across the country.[/quote]
You asked for genetic markers, and I showed you that just three years ago those markers were identified in the human genome project. Yet you still insist this isn’t definitive proof. Even your buddy PRCalDude admits that genetics play a role in sexual orientation, just as they play a role in just about every other human characteristic.
By the way, you never addressed my question. Even if you were right that homosexuality is all about lifestyle choice, what the fuck does it matter? Religion is a lifestyle choice, yet it is illegal to discriminate against people on the basis of their religion.
[quote]apbt55 wrote:
It is the oh we can’t hurt peoples feelings community that says it isn’t a disease or disorder.[/quote]
Riiiiight. The American Medical Association, American Academy of Pediatrics, National Association of Social Workers, American Psychological Association, American Psychiatric Association, and every other major medical and mental health organization have reviewed 35 years of research and drawn worthless conclusions because they are all so politically biased you can’t trust them.
I have. The reason I reject that idea is the myriad of homosexuals I see revered in popular culture and on the television. I see no evidence that gay psychological illness has abated as gays have taken to television and cable primetime. Yesterday’s Kristallnacht is a rather recent example.
I would think a plausible, (and perhaps more likely), explanation would be their level of promiscuity creating anxiety and depression over the Russian roulette they play with HIV.
[quote]I love armchair scientists. You skim a topic and presume your uninformed opinion is more valid than the collective consensus of the entire scientific community.
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I love how you keep bringing up the “collective consensus of the entire scientific community,” as if it never changes or is never wrong. The implication, of course, is that individuals like myself are too stupid to understand the data. The reality is, we see the homo-narcissistic religious bias dripping from so many of these papers in their conclusion sections. One position paper from the pediatric association I saw laughably extrapolated data collected from lesbian couples to gay couples regarding child rearing. Lesbians aren’t dropping like flies from HIV, as far as I know, nor do they possess the male libido hyped-up on the narcissistic disorders of the gay man that are the root of much of their promiscuity.
Yes, you keep repeating that. It’s a non-sequitur.
[quote]PublickStews wrote:
I like how conservatives say “We need smaller government which stays out of our lives.” Then they vote to regulate the family life of private citizens. LOL[/quote]
And my personal favorite, “No abortion… and no birth control or sex ed either”
[quote]forlife wrote:
apbt55 wrote:
It is the oh we can’t hurt peoples feelings community that says it isn’t a disease or disorder.
Riiiiight. The American Medical Association, American Academy of Pediatrics, National Association of Social Workers, American Psychological Association, American Psychiatric Association, and every other major medical and mental health organization have reviewed 35 years of research and drawn worthless conclusions because they are all so politically biased you can’t trust them.
Get a fucking clue.[/quote]
I do have a clue and yes there is a ton of bias in it. It all started with one book in 2003 Departing from deviance: a history of homosexual rights and emancipatory science in America, so maybe you should start to read up. One book caused a feeling of guilt and bias in study. Such that some of these groups changed their position.
And you are an authority on science or medicine. How what is your accreditation? What makes you an expert on sexual deviancy besides the fact that you actually participate in one aspect of it? What research have you done?
So don?t expect me to believe everything spouted from these liberal run organizations that are funded in part by Gay and Lesbian organizations.
It is a deviancie but we don?t to hurt people?s feelings boo hoo hoo
A minority is part of the population that is NORMAL, not deviant, but still part of the population. Like being black, latino, oriental. Minority implies non choice. People are born with urges to smear crap all over their faces, doesn?t make it normal acceptable behavior.
Homosexuality maybe a natural occurring behavior but it is not a normal behavior.
Absolutely against gay marriage. It undermines real marriage, between opposite sex couples. It is also apart of a big move by the feminist and gay rights club to remove gender lines.
I believe it was in California where a gay boy decided to run for prom queen and the school couldnt say anything because they might be sued. Despite the fact that the use of the word “queen” implies females only.
Not to mention they are now trying to brainwash innocent children with their filth. In California, do you know where a group of kindergarten students were taken?
Not to the zoo or to the apple orchard where I was taken in kindergarten, but to their lesbian teachers “wedding”. Five and six year old kids should be learning to count and spell, not accept gay mariage.
But as we saw in this election, the majority of citizens dont go for what the feminists and homos are trying to peddle to us about acceptance and tolerance.
[quote]KBurnett wrote:
PublickStews wrote:
I like how conservatives say “We need smaller government which stays out of our lives.” Then they vote to regulate the family life of private citizens. LOL
And my personal favorite, “No abortion… and no birth control or sex ed either”[/quote]
Well, abortion is the taking of a human life, I.E. murder…I have not heard the other mantras you are claiming…But continue being delusional if it serves you.
[quote]pat wrote:
KBurnett wrote:
PublickStews wrote:
I like how conservatives say “We need smaller government which stays out of our lives.” Then they vote to regulate the family life of private citizens. LOL
And my personal favorite, “No abortion… and no birth control or sex ed either”
Well, abortion is the taking of a human life, I.E. murder…I have not heard the other mantras you are claiming…But continue being delusional if it serves you.[/quote]
Well I don’t agree with sex ed in school, I should be the one to teach my child about sex, not some teacher pushing homosexual propoganda.
