Gay Marriage Down in Flames!

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Some me the data that 85% of gay men have sex with women on a REGULAR basis. Beyond that, show me the data that these 85% enjoy it. Then we can talk. How would a study be designed to even determine that? I don’t believe such data exits.

Generally, men enjoy blowing their load. It’s pretty much a function of the relevant anatomy to cause pleasure during male orgasm. In other words, orgasm = pleasure.

On the previous thread, we saw data that showed that gay men have, on average, 3 times the number of female partners as straight men. Forlife’s explanation was that gay men were trying, rather unsuccessfully, to straighten themselves out by doing this. [/quote]

Or it could be they have no morals and will do anything to get off,

sorry uncalled for but I am sick of this debate.

Not everything in life is a right. This arguement is pointless.

Driving a car is not a right, it is a privilige and a responsibility.

Getting Married is not a right, it is a sacred bond between one man and one woman, again a privilige and a responsibility.

There are lots of these priviliges and responsibilities in life that are not rights,

One important one is being a parent.

So no one is telling you can’t get married, they are saying by all means if you find the WOMAN you want marry(assuming you are male) then by all means you may engage in the sacred act of marriage.

Otherwise go file for a civil union and quit crying, you carry the same rights.

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[quote]oneforship wrote:
As a conservative, I cannot argue against equal rights. But I can, and will, argue for the upholding of the sanctity of a certain word and tradition that I believe in. But that does not make me some kind of insensitive bigot.

I have my beliefs, and other people have theirs. I don’t support or approve of homosexuality, but I am not going to just deny rights for the sake of doing so, when I think there are other, more important issues for this country at this point of time.[/quote]

Well said. People have the right to hold whatever religious beliefs/morals that make sense to them, and it is nice when doing so doesn’t mean denying equal rights to others.

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
In that drastically lopsided thread that lasted over 90 pages, I gave you an argument against gay marriage that never once included an appeal to religious doctrine.
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Oh, you mean the one where we finally started getting down to the fundamentals of your premise and you were unable to respond with a logical counterargument? It’s easy to do a song and dance with generalities, but on the details you failed and fled.

No doubt you will rationalize it as cutting bait, but it’s nothing new. I’ve seen it over and over again in these discussions, and couldn’t care less what people like you think at this point. You’re entitled to your opinion, and nothing I say will make any difference.

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[quote]apbt55 wrote:

Getting Married is not a right, it is a sacred bond between one man and one woman, again a privilige and a responsibility.

There are lots of these priviliges and responsibilities in life that are not rights,

One important one is being a parent.

So no one is telling you can’t get married, they are saying by all means if you find the WOMAN you want marry(assuming you are male) then by all means you may engage in the sacred act of marriage.

Otherwise go file for a civil union and quit crying, you carry the same rights.[/quote]

Yup. Gays just want to spit on everything that normal people hold dear.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:
What is up with the “lifestyle choice” drivel I keep reading. That is utter bullshit. If you’re a straight male, you know just how overpowering the allure of an attractive female is. Could YOU overturn that desire and sleep with men?

It’s not a lifestyle choice. Gay men have the same urges when the see a male that we do when we see a female.[/quote]

It seems obvious, but they are so convinced that homosexuality is evil/perverse that they refuse to acknowledge it.

Why the hell they think people would choose a “lifestyle” that exposes them to hatred and discrimination is beyond me.

I didn’t choose it, but I have since learned to embrace it as a core part of who I am.

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[quote]forlife wrote:
Makavali wrote:
What is up with the “lifestyle choice” drivel I keep reading. That is utter bullshit. If you’re a straight male, you know just how overpowering the allure of an attractive female is. Could YOU overturn that desire and sleep with men?

It’s not a lifestyle choice. Gay men have the same urges when the see a male that we do when we see a female.

It seems obvious, but they are so convinced that homosexuality is evil/perverse that they refuse to acknowledge it.

Why the hell they think people would choose a “lifestyle” that exposes them to hatred and discrimination is beyond me.

I didn’t choose it, but I have since learned to embrace it as a core part of who I am.[/quote]

Ok so how is differnt then guys that are attracted to farm animals.

If you are going that route, then that isn’t evil either.

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[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
Even in an ideal society free of bias, why would something so important have been so poorly thought-out?
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Which is why “leaving it up to the States” is a sham argument. Until gay marriage is addressed and acknowledged at the federal level, true equality will not exist.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
Show me the proof of the genetic marker. [/quote]

Here you go (again):

In 2005, Dr. Brian Mustanski and his colleagues at the University of Illinois at Chicago, in the first-ever study combining the entire human genome for genetic determinants of sexual orientation, identified several stretches of DNA that appeared to be linked to sexual orientation on three different chromosomes. The bottom line, according to Mustanski, is that “genes play an important role” in determining whether or not men are gay or straight.

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[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
pat wrote:Holy Crap! That avatar of yours is just like the old Soviet era posters from Stalin and Lenin!

Holy crap! Your president acts a lot like Stalin and Lenin!

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Who is my president that is not your president? Further, if had any knowledge what so ever of soviet history, you would know that Obama’s principals are much more in line with them then any other president since FDR.

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[quote]forlife wrote:
DrSkeptix wrote:
Even in an ideal society free of bias, why would something so important have been so poorly thought-out?

Which is why “leaving it up to the States” is a sham argument. Until gay marriage is addressed and acknowledged at the federal level, true equality will not exist.
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But people aren’t truly equal and never will be.

People have different IQ’s, different personalities interests, the list goes on and on.

So stop using the people are equal arguement they aren’t, they should have certain unalienable rights, but rights not entitlements.

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[quote]forlife wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Show me the proof of the genetic marker.

Here you go (again):

In 2005, Dr. Brian Mustanski and his colleagues at the University of Illinois at Chicago, in the first-ever study combining the entire human genome for genetic determinants of sexual orientation, identified several stretches of DNA that appeared to be linked to sexual orientation on three different chromosomes. The bottom line, according to Mustanski, is that “genes play an important role” in determining whether or not men are gay or straight.
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It “appeared” that the world was flat - until there was real proof to the contrary.

You don’t have that proof, or this discussion would not be taking place.

And abortions of gay babies would skyrocket.

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[quote]apbt55 wrote:
Or it could be they have no morals and will do anything to get off[/quote]

Or it could be that sexual orientation is about more than just getting off. I have a deeper, more complete relationship with my partner on all levels than I was able to have with my wife.

As already pointed out in this thread, civil unions don’t grant anywhere close to the same protections as marriage. When they do, it will be a different story.

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[quote]apbt55 wrote:
Ok so how is differnt then guys that are attracted to farm animals.
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It isn’t about a sexual fetish, it is about loving and spending the rest of your life with another person. You need to educate yourself on sexual orientation.

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[quote]apbt55 wrote:
But people aren’t truly equal and never will be.
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By that argument, blacks and women should never have been given the right to vote.

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[quote]forlife wrote:
apbt55 wrote:
But people aren’t truly equal and never will be.

By that argument, blacks and women should never have been given the right to vote.[/quote]

Ask around. According to many, neither blacks, nor women, are equal to the evil white man today.

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[quote]forlife wrote:
DrSkeptix wrote:
Even in an ideal society free of bias, why would something so important have been so poorly thought-out?

Which is why “leaving it up to the States” is a sham argument. Until gay marriage is addressed and acknowledged at the federal level, true equality will not exist.
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How are gay people not equal? You have the same rights I do, exactly. There is no difference what so ever.

I do not believe that anybody deserves special treatment because how and who they prefer to have sex with. You want to bone a dude, go right ahead. But that entitles you to nothing special. So get over it.
If you get special treatment, then I want a tax break for liking it doggie style. It would only be fair.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
It “appeared” that the world was flat - until there was real proof to the contrary.[/quote]

It also “appears” that gravity, atomic energy, and the expansion of the universe are actual phenomena. Of course, you can’t “prove” any of that by your standard.

What you don’t get is that it is impossible for science to “prove” anything by your definition. So that conveniently allows you to dismiss anything that doesn’t agree with your world view.

Then again, maybe you’re right and every major mental health and medical organization in the world is wrong. You’re just that smart.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Does anyone else find it ironic how people vote for Mr. Super-Liberal Obama, yet vote along conservative lines in state/local issues?

Bipolar society?[/quote]

No, it’s a racial thing. Obama brought tons of blacks to the polls that had not previously voted. Approx. 76% of blacks voted to ban gay marriage in California, as opposed to 43% of whites.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
Ask around. According to many, neither blacks, nor women, are equal to the evil white man today. [/quote]

I never said they were. I said that by his logic, black and women shouldn’t have been given the right to vote. You could deny rights to any minority group with that excuse.

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[quote]forlife wrote:
rainjack wrote:
It “appeared” that the world was flat - until there was real proof to the contrary.

It also “appears” that gravity, atomic energy, and the expansion of the universe are actual phenomena. Of course, you can’t “prove” any of that by your standard.

What you don’t get is that it is impossible for science to “prove” anything by your definition. So that conveniently allows you to dismiss anything that doesn’t agree with your world view.

Then again, maybe you’re right and every major mental health and medical organization in the world is wrong. You’re just that smart.[/quote]

This is your obvious blind spot. The consensus of the “medical and mental organizations” is in error, as there are recent papers demonstrating very clearly the elevated level of mental problems and suicidality in the gay community. Of course, these are blame-shifted off onto prejudice by straights rather than onto homosexuals for their promiscuity, but I linked several in our last discussion. In fact, the thing that caused homosexuality ITSELF to be listed from the DSM-IV is the fact that homosexuals displayed no more psychological illness than straights. Recent papers demonstrate the error of this logic. Will you now call for homosexuality to be re-added to the DSM-IV? Of course not. Your religiosity is showing.

There are psychological and social factors influencing sexual orientation, yet you like to focus on the genetic/environmental. To the others, you turn a blind eye, even when they were on display for all yesterday during the homo-fascist protests of the democratic process.