Gay Marriage Discussion

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
723

I forgot to respond to this part. Hey, it’s Sunday and I’m bored since it’s an off day from training.

I wanted to be clear, I never said a damn word to ole boy about anything to do with his being gay. He had to have gotten word of my feelings on the matter from my wife.

That said, I do find some of the workplace antics to do with it somewhat amusing. For instance, fit and handsome young man comes in and you may hear someone announcing “code banana” to alert this guy. Sick AND funny. I don’t know why it is that so many (frickin) women have gay male friends. Is it that they don’t feel threatened or is it a shopping thing? I know I only go shopping with her as a security escort. Maybe if she suggested looking for deals on ammo I’d be more interested. But damn, i can’t even talk about hunting without getting a “do you never stop talking about GUNS” with an eye roll. She even tried to get me to lock up my carry gun at night cause it made her uncomfortable." Told me to put it where it goes, which was her mistake since “it goes” in the holster on my belt, which would be on my jeans by the bed dammit.

But back to the point, he got his inclination to avoid that topic second hand. And my contribution to “tolerance” has been agreeing to go to dinner with her while he and other coworkers are there. See, not completely intolerant. It just won’t come up at a dinner out and that’s best. Besides, he writes my wife’s schedule and makes sure newer employees know she’s the queen of the place :slight_smile:

So I desreve a plaque for my achievement in not going nutso about my wife associating with a gay person. I’ll hang it on the fridge and stuff :stuck_out_tongue:

724

AAAAAAAAGH! NoNONONONO!

Actually somewhat understandable, but still, NO!

725

Oh good Lord. Skyz are u a steelers fan?

And for all ya all, I got one question:

WHO DEY?!

U know I did bet my cousin $10 against one of her delicious coconut cream pies that NE would win the last one. Age and experience were y I bet on them.
That was an awesome pie too, even if I did eat it in one day :confused:

726

Yes you certainly deserve a plaque for eating dinner with your wife’s boss who knows your a bigot (I’m guessing you don’t really try to hide your intolerance from the whopping three gay people you know.

I swear this world is turning into a bunch of pussies. Look at me I survived a dinner with my wife’s boss who happens to be gay.

727

You have absolutely nothing to worry about gay people aren’t shopping for bigots so you are in no danger. But then again you’re admitting that now you will be looking at guys and wondering what they do with their genitals or being paranoid of what they do.

I just don’t think you’re going to try taking my advice of not wondering what other cocks touch. You probably walk past every guy and think… I wonder if he’s gay. Yeah you pretty much just admitted that.

We will be waiting for you to admit that the reason you don’t like gays is you secretly…well, you read the article

728

So I desreve a plaque for my achievement in not going nutso about my wife associating with a gay person. I’ll hang it on the fridge and stuff :stuck_out_tongue:
Yes you certainly deserve a plaque for eating dinner with your wife’s boss who knows your a bigot (I’m guessing you don’t really try to hide your intolerance from the whopping three gay people you know.

I swear this world is turning into a bunch of pussies. Look at me I survived a dinner with my wife’s boss who happens to be gay.

Guess I need to put a #sarcasm tag on statements like this to avoid confusion in the future. I could give a fuck about getting an award for being nice. I’m always nice, till it’s time to not be.

Re: hiding intolerance- hiding it would be dishonest, so no, I don’t hide how I feel about anything, from anyone present. I also don’t just start verbally assaulting someone with no provocation. So as long as my opinion about something like that is not asked (at a dinner), it’s not given.
And before it comes up that my being honest regardless of it contradicting someone not being a nice thing, I’d consider it rude to lie much more than to tell a subjectively offensive truth.

729

Don’t judge me man! I was born this way.

I don’t know what it means to like other teams. A couple of people tried explaining it to me and all I heard was “Blahblahblah love of the game, blahblahblah” and then I was like “Hey! Look at all them rings! In a couple of years we’re gonna need more fingers.”.

730

Have you considered conversion therapy?

Oh come on. Are you really claiming you’ve never, not even once, fantasized about liking another team?

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731

Ahh well, maybe once. I was down in Alabama and there were a bunch of people really happy about these two teams and they kept yelling “Roll Tide!” (wtf is that?)

It was like a caught up in the moment thing, maybe?

It all cleared up though when I ran a late left through an intersection and laid on the horn at someone that pretty much stopped at a stop sign.

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732

Hey, we’ve all been there. Just because it happened once doesn’t mean you’re a, you know, Bama fan. You’re still all Steelers, bro.

Have you considered sharing your story with the world via a letter? I can start it off for you: “Dear Sports Illustrated, I never thought I’d be writing to your magazine. I’ve always been faithful to my Steelers, until this one crazy weekend in Alabama…”

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733

Oh wow. I thought the Steelers had disbanded after Bradshaw left.

The “conversion therapy” and “fantasizing” about other teams is a concerning thing I know. Just try to be honest about who you really are inside and bust out of that Pittsburgh fan shell - you can do it!

Lastly, “Who DEY!”

See,just cruise up the Ohio river a little way and you can be a Cinci fan!

734

But no sarcasm that when you walk past short fat dudes you will be thinking about who they get naked with. Nothing says hetero pride like your wandering thoughts about naked guys as you walk past them.

735

I really wish all the gods would show themselves and have some sort of cage match so I know which one is real. All this back and forth about “my god this” and “your god that” and “apostasy” and “virgins” and “men lying with men” and “smiting” and whatnot is exausting. You think maybe you could make this happen with a cash bar for us mere mortals?

Things I care about: my taxes, my job, the safety of my family.

Things I couldn’t give two f’cks about: who other people marry, what they put in their bodies (he he), and where other people decide to bump their uglies (unless of course that involves the note above).

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736

For God, if you don’t believe in Him, why? History is full of witnesses to the life, death and resurrection of Christ which, by the way, is also empirically evidenced by the Shroud of Turin. The Catholic Church had carried the faith for 2 millennia for crying out loud. And miracle after miracle… but in order to be satisfied with the answers ya gotta do the searching for them yourself.

Moving on:

I definitely agree with the priority list, just in reverse order with God above all…

Oops, had to reread - thought you said where they put the bodies and was about to ask if you were a waste management family member…but guess you intended something entirely different lol

An aside, my actual priority list that encompasses everything:

God
Wife, kids
Duty
Honor
Country

But note that guns, guts and glory intersect with all those things.

And in re: to the fat bald guys comment earlier: You should be ashamed for talking like that!

737

Guns and guts are fine. Guns keep the true believers of radical religions and ideologies away.

This whole “believe it without seeing it” thing though seems to run afoul of science and personal experience. You know, like every time one some guy says something like “trust me” and it involves me giving him money. Or how people who grow up Christian seem to stay Christian rather than realizing at 40 that Mohammad was right all along, or the other way around. Hence my need for a cage match. The cash bar is purely selfish.

Besides, we aren’t a theocracy and, if we were, then we’d have to pick the religion and, assuming we picked Christianity, then we’d have to pick the sect. I’m not an expert or anything but I seem to remember some pretty bloody conflicts over the last few centuries over this sort of thing. That and that whole U.S. constitution and duty, honor country thing.

Edit: And seriously, I get annoyed with fellow atheists getting too up in arms over religion. Most people I know are religious in some way, and there is a good mix of crosses and stars over my family’s graves. It’s just that without proof I find it hard to see how anyone can pick a religion short of just going with what they were raised with. And if you go with what you were raised with then cool, just be honest about that. Family tradition can provide necessary grounding and guidance. Just understand that others will have their own, and others may have none. Live and let live.

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738

I’m supposed to be ashamed because you said every short fat bald guy you would now wonder if he was gay?

I just think fat bald guys should be able to walk around without you wondering who they are having sex with. Sounds like a mental disorder or something you have.

739

So you’ve never just sensed something greater than yourself, a sort of unexplained transcendence…

As for science, the whole thing about intelligent design is being accepted at the highest levels. The odds of things simply occurring, man being brought into existence, etc…the odds are truly infinitely against it, hence it pointing to design by “other.”

I used to question any theory that had no empirical proof. I got wayyy past it. God makes much more sense to me than science anyway. And by the way, the “Bug Bang Theory” was postulated by a Catholic scientist and was never intended to dispute God, but rather to attempt a better understanding of the physical world He created.

As for a theocracy and sects, I don’t know anyone in my religion who would want a theocracy. And it’s the Protestants who have a smorgasbord of denominations from which to choose.

Anyway, just commenting. Everyone is absolutely free to believe as they wish.

Take care,

740

Sure I have but I don’t connect that with Christianity and all it’s dogma. Do you think people from other religions don’t also sense something greater? The point is how to decide. Nothing I’ve ever seen in nature has caused me to think, “damn them gay dudes are going to hell.” If anything, watching dogs with pillows tends to lead me to think there’s a whole lot of jacking it with everything going on.

Where did you get this little dandy from?

So you’re past logic and science? That reminds me of a psychotic break from reality. How’s that whole Earth as the center of the universe thing going? Information doesn’t get discredited solely because the discoverer later disagreed or had conflicting beliefs. Plenty of early and current scientists have their own beliefs, but without evidence they’re still just beliefs.

Have you ever studied other religions? Say the various sects of Islam, Judaism or Buddhism? That’s the point. People disagree about these rules and gods we cannot see.

Ok. Good to know the gay dudes are okay then. Christ said quite a bit about judgment, being a good neighbor, and humility, and I really wish those tidbits would get more attention. If we make the leap into faith (for the sake of argument) then exactly how does one place oneself in the seat of judgment of others? If god is all knowing and all powerful then how can a human possibly understand god, let alone have the arrogance to assume he “knows” and understands god’s design? It seems to me that nothing but lots of humility would be the appropriate response.

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741

That tidbit of information came from a science/religion documentary. Only high level physicists (not Hawking) and theologians participated. I can locate the actual title if you like.

As for humility and judgment stuff:

I don’t say anyone is damned to Hell cause it’s not within my power to do so and I wouldn’t want that power anyway. What I do know are the precepts of my faith and what could send ME to hell.

The “judge not lest you be judged…” passage is very often misunderstood. It means that we need to watch what WE do of course, but it doesn’t mean not to speak against what our Faith sees as evil. In the contrary, Jesus Himself called the sinners to repentance in his preaching using phrases such as m, “You brood of vipers.”

It’s similarly misunderstood what the “unforgivable sin” is. The Scripture says blasphemy of the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven. However, to blaspheme the Holy Spirit = rejection of Him = dying without Hos grace = going to Hell.

What I’ve noticed a lot of is people not practicing what they preach and discrediting the Faith as a result.
Along with that is some major ignorance about what Scripture and Church Teaching mean.

We’re called to be humble servants and as such to serve our fellow man by speaking the truth according to the teachings of Christ. What often happens, sadly, is that the teacher doesn’t do his own homework.

An example would be an uneducated person up and saying they were “called by the Spirit” and suddenly claiming leadership over a congregation. That’s where we get types like Jim Jones and David Joresh. And we know how that worked out.

Christianity entered Rome as a persecuted minority. Next thing you know Rome was converted and remains the seat of our Faith 2000 years later. It’s those teachings that I believe in and trust as they were transmitted by firsthand witnesses to the life of Christ.

Yes I’ve studied other religions. Judaism, Islam and Buddhism in an academic attempt to simply understand them. Never participated in any and am convinced I’m in the most authentic Faith. Further, I pray for their conversion.

The Muslims I’ve seen firsthand n their own countries, and how Sharia law operates. If there’s an imperialist religion they are it. The Quran calls them to subjugate the world under one caliphate which is the driving force behind ISIS and Islam’s attacks on Christendom to which the very misunderstood Crusades were a response. Now they’re trying the same stuff again.

Anyway thinking about that gives me a headache. Instead of Guantanamo, we may ought to consider housing them in a field of pigs. That’d be more of a deterrent than anything I can think of that our intelligence community might do to them.

Peace!

742

No, logic and science steers me towards God - the primary cause of all that is physical.
No i don’t believe Earth is the center of the universe, or flat for that matter.

Consider cause and effect for a moment. That must be a cause for every effect. So if the physical world, including galaxies, etc, were caused, what/who caused them? I believe there is a force (God) who ALWAYS was, is, and will be, and that it is He who caused everything of which I am aware, including humanity.

No fire starts without a catalyst, and when a fire is extinguished, even by burning itself out, the one thing that took the action to cause it remains.

I don’t pretend to understand the stuff. I do believe however, that some things will always be a mystery. I can accept that or beat my head against the wall from now till I die and never fully comprehend the answers to the questions I have. But when this body expires I’m pretty sure questions about the physical realm will lose their relevance to me. I also believe that my spirit, that which animates my body, will live on after my body stops.

There’s a lot of scientific data about experiences that support that belief by the way. People who have been medically dead coming back to life and describing things that were remote from the location of their medically dead body that it was impossible for their physical eyes to see.