Whatever you have to tell yourself. Waking in the middle of the night with no physical control vs being fully conscious you are surrounded by dudes and getting excited.
I won’t judge I don’t care what turns you on though it did sound like you were a don’t ask don’t tell guy. We didn’t ask and you did tell us
Lol, ok. It was during the morning routine but I was the only guy in there till old boy popped his head over the stall.
You mean you were the only one who knew you were turned on in a room full of guys until someone else looked and told on you?
Or did this guy look over the stall because he knew you had a tendency for being turned on around men?
No, the room wasn’t full of guys. It was an empty latrine. I’ve no clue y the guy looked in the stall, but it was very questionable then, and still is, which is y now I figure he was just looking to see anything he could, then hit the jackpot due to my situation.
U see, i was usually up and about before reveille, and only the poor bastard lulling fire guard would know that. This guy wasn’t pulling that duty.
It still creeps me out but whatever.
And I realize you’re trying to bait me. I’m just clarifying in case it’s partly an honest question.
No worries. I brought up the military to make the point that “religious freedom” does not mean “you can choose not do do your job if it is in conflict with your religious beliefs” in all situations. As tedro explained more eloquently, a county clerk that chooses not to grant a marriage license to a homosexual couple is a publicly elected or appointed official choosing to neglect their legal responsibility, but they do not get to choose how to apply the law. As you alluded, in the military, there is no “Eh, I don’t feel like doing this today, my religion tells me otherwise” defense. A county clerk isn’t in the military, but they’re still a publicly elected or appointed official with a responsibility to apply the law.
Which brings us back to the larger point from before - you wanted to know why homosexuals are still publicly demonstrating; I pointed out that states continue to introduce bills (most have been unsuccessful to date) that would roll this back and explicitly state that the clerk could choose to selectively apply the law, citing their religious beliefs. That’s an icky precedent to set regardless of one’s feelings on homosexuality and same-ex marriage, but it’s particularly threatening to homosexuals, hence their continued demonstrations. Stop introducing laws that would allow public officials to discriminate against homosexuals, and they won’t have to demonstrate anymore.
In all fairness, there is definetly such a thing as a spontaneous boner- I once had one when I woke up next to my drug dealer’s girlfriend. Awkward.
Understood, and yes the protesting is certainly a means that can be exercised by any group given it’s peaceful.
I’m guessing the legislation keeps being introduced because our elected officials, who represent their constituents, are doing what those constituents want them to do. So it looks to me like said legislation is a protest of sorts by “the people.” Maybe we should go with our “hetero pride” movement instead, dunno. I’m just not interested in being in the town square shouting silly slogans about my sexuality, or about what matters to me. Yet. It IS tempting to have that t-shirt printed saying " #heteromalesmatter" or something to that effect.
Instead of a hetero pride movement how about not giving a shit? I’m hetero (wasn’t a choice I never decided to be attracted to women or men) and honestly could care less what consenting adults do in the bedroom. If you don’t get laid tonight I don’t care. If you do I don’t care. If you have anal sex with your wife I don’t care. If you have a threesome with her and your neighbor I don’t care. Use a vibrator with her I don’t care.
Instead of marching for hetero pride (as if somehow being straight is at risk) try not worrying about other people’s sex lives. It’s really easy to do, you just think about your dick and not anyone else’s. Give it a try and report back. All you do is quit worrying about everyone else’s and think about your own.
I know it sounds difficult but I have never struggled with it. I have full faith in your ability to think about your cock only and not so many others.
Best of luck to you
I agree - this is “the process” at work. A politician, representing his/her constituents, may introduce a piece of legislation. Their constituents are free to make their opinion of that legislation known. You, the heterosexual white male who believes that a county clerk should have the right to deny a homosexual couple a marriage license because it conflicts with their religious beliefs, are free to voice your opinion. Homosexuals are also free to voice their opinion. It’s hardly shocking that they might choose a little more loudly to protest a bill that directly threatens their right to get married.
The fact that these measures continue to be introduced, but not passed, indicate that the homosexuals (and friends) demonstrating are achieving their intended goal - protecting their rights. If more constituents felt strongly that these measures should pass, they are also free to hold their own public demonstrations. Speaking of which:
This has (probably) been covered previously on these forums, but I haven’t always been an active participant in PWI so I don’t know.
Personally, I think the “Hey guys, we should start a White Hetero Male Pride Movement” joke is good for a laugh among the Bubba and Billy Ray crowd, but it’s comically and sadly naive. In this country, people of color were (arguably still are) systematically discriminated against for over two centuries; homosexuals, as we are currently discussing, have only recently been recognized with certain legal rights and still have people (including yourself) who do not believe they should have those rights; women were unable to own property or vote for the first century-plus of this country’s existence (personally, I don’t feel that women are terribly discriminated against today, but there are certainly plenty of active debates on the subject).
In my observation, people of color, homosexuals, and women are typically not demonstrating with the intent or expectation of obtaining favorable treatment, but usually with a goal of protection from systematic discrimination.
Putting all this together, the reason there’s no need for a “white hetero male” movement because white hetero males are the least likely to be a target of systematic discrimination in the workplace and/or services, no matter what inferiority complex has been encouraged by Stormfront (there’s your white hetero male movement for you, by the way; it already exists, go ahead and join them) to tell white hetero males that they’re in danger of being left behind.
Bringing back the baker example from earlier: ever wonder why there’s never been a white heterosexual male suing the baker for not making their wedding cake? Because no baker has ever refused to make a wedding cake specifically because the customer was a white heterosexual male.
(With that said, as I noted earlier, I find the “sue the baker” cases ridiculous. I feel much more strongly about cases where a public official shirks their legal responsibility to apply the law than I do about private businesses choosing whom to grant services).
Oh i do think about my dick plenty,but in relation to when it is Authorized for use by the missus.
I do not care who or what anyone screws, but do care about what I see as a desecration of the sacrament of marriage and the decline of morality in my country that is related to it.
So sure, if a dude wants to pack the fudge, and another dude is ok with it, they are free in this society to have at it. But quick as it enters the realm of marriage I start caring a lot. They’re of equal worth as people, but that crap is not a valid marriage. Further, I’d very much like the protesters to realize it’s not a valid marriage, shut up and go away. Just like many in this thread probably want me to shut up and go away. We’ll see who outlasts who. As long as I hear noise about the issue, I’ll make counter noise.
I like one idea suggested in this thread and think it would alleviate the problem. Have marriage for heterosexuals and a civil contract for other couples. That would remive the religious from the equation, and that’s the crux of the whole issue as I see it. Homosexuals are not the same and therefore are asking people like me to lie and say they are exactly like a heterosexual couple. For me, telling that lie is an impossibility because I not only know it’s a lie, but I also detest the idea as a whole.
So take “marriage” out of it and my problem with it disappears. I mean if a same sex couple wishes to be devoted to each other and be legally joined, make it contractual but leave the term “marriage” out of it.
I suspect many like me would be much more tolerant of it that way. I can tolerate it all day long, but embracing it won’t happen.
Oh you can try to outlast but you will lose. Look at public opinion polls. You’re losing with zero chance of coming back.
Gay people don’t change my marriage but you are insecure and won’t change. You say you don’t think about it but your language says otherwise with fudge packing sweet boy etc.
Doesn’t really matter though how often you obsess about other people’s sex lives as you are going to lose. We have people who still want separate bathrooms for race but doesn’t mean it’s going to happen. You live 60 more years and you will be dead wishing gay people couldn’t be married
Also you’ve talked about the act of gay sex multiple times so you are certainly caring about who screws who: I’m telling you give not thinking about other people’s dicks a try.
You are welcome to that opinion, but please note that this is an opinion and not a fact.
Again, you are welcome to that.
Don’t be surprised when the people who believe opposite you continue to voice their opinion, then. And since you called them whiny pussies above, don’t be surprised if they consider you a whiny pussy for not being able to stand the thought that two dudes living together can call themselves a married couple.
LOL, the old “just call it a civil union” idea.
If that would actually satisfy the situation, there would be no demonstrations, as this has been suggested off and on for decades.
Besides: the “religious” angle…it is my impression that no one is forcing churches to perform same-sex marriages (although I confess I’ve not thoroughly searched for this).
If your church has started performing same-sex marriages and you’re not down with that, you are free to leave and seek a different church more amenable to your beliefs. I’m sure the Westboro Baptist Church would be happy to have you, but I think you’re a better man than that.
Overall, we are unlikely to ever see completely eye-to-eye on this issue, and that’s fine. I do compliment you for a generally respectful discussion (and thank you for your service, as an ex-military man). On we go.
I don’t see my disdain for something I consider very wrong to equal insecurity.
Fudge Packing and sweet boy terms are merely part of my vernacular. Sue me.
Hardly obsessed - observant of what I hear and see. Their sex lives are something I could care less about other than I believe it to be extremely disordered behavior.
Your prediction of the future may be accurate, maybe not. We will see.
As for bathrooms, that brings up another issue of the “I identify as” for whatever bathroom.
For me, that would just open the door for sexual assaults by heterosexual men. (Pretty sure its impossible for a woman to xexually assault a male(?)).
I mean if my wife goes into a restroom where anyone can go in, how the hell am I supposed to know if they really identify as a woman or are using it as a cover? Solution IMO is to have individually locked bathrooms vs “Gentlemen/Ladies” ones. Criminals use what’s at their disposal to commit crimes, and if a rapist wants to follow a lady into the restroom, in that circumstance no one is going to question him why he’s going in, other than me. I suppose I could stand guard outside the stall, but what about the ladies who are alone and/or don’t have a guy to do that?
It’s rather amusing that you think I’m obsessed about what kind of sex people have. If anything, I’m fixated on what sex I get and when/how often. But for the rest of the world, I could’ve cared less right until homosexuals started the “gay marriage” stuff. Can’t ignore a publicized oxymoron like that. Maybe if they’d done what they do best, and snuck the legislation in through the back door…
Don’t pretend. it bothered you long before marriage that is obvious from the way you discuss it, think it is against gods wishes, etc. you say you think about your own, but you don’t clearly. Do what you want though, but don’t tell us it isn’t on your mind a lot.
As for the future again look at the public opinion. Every single age group in favor and the younger generation is over 80% I believe. It’s a done deal wasn’t even a minor issue in this years election.
It certainly is against my God. It’s against every Christian’s God whether they all realize it or not.
Well its 2017 and gays exist and our out in the open. Who cares… you do you and let them be. To me its a non issue.
As far ad Adam & Eve go I got one word… Dinosuars
If it goes against your marriage get a divorce so you aren’t doing the same thing as those gays. Show them you have nothing to do with them
Oh yeh that’d show them wouldn’t it.
Fact is I don’t believe in divorce either except in circumstances that justify it in the eyes of the Roman Catholic Chur h. Formy marriage to end one of us has to die. [quote=“thehebrewhero, post:699, topic:204383, full:true”]
Well its 2017 and gays exist and our out in the open. Who cares… you do you and let them be. To me its a non issue.
As far ad Adam & Eve go I got one word… Dinosuars
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Oh I do “let them be.” Right until what I consider offensive is in my face.
It’s 2017, really?
Ya know, we’re all here because of procreation right? It’s counterintuitive for there to even be homosexual couples.
Regardless, I’m not going out of my way in public to shout my disagreement, and again I wish they’d just shut up and go away.
That crap, if it must exist, needs to head back to the closet, not to be embraced or celebrated as “diversity.” I call 'em like I see 'em.
And they wish bigots would shut up and go away as well. I agree with them. We wish the genital obsessed such as yourself would shut the fuck up and get over it. You can’t bring up one way it directly has to do with you other than you think it’s gross.
But you’re back to your procreation fallacy. Since it is counterintuitive for there to be homosexual couples we should also rule out elderly couples or anyone who can’t procreate. I fully expect you to leave your wife when she can’t reproduce as it will be counterintuitive for you to be together. I’m guessing you won’t. But it will be counterintuitive for you to be together according to your flawed logic.
Your view belongs in the closet as it is in the minority. Why should the majority of gay marriage supporting Americans who out number you hide the way they feel?