Aegon can very well be a fake heir, but what differenct would it make?
As long as the lords will follow him, he is a de-facto Targaeryen.
Same as with the fake Sansa.
So no twist per se, just Realpolitik.
Aloso, there are a number of small hints that might suggest just that.
Varys and Illyrio are in deep cahoots and share some form of agenda.
Why do they want a Targaeryen heir on the throne so bad as they are willing to
a) invest incredible amounts of resources
b) plunge the kingdoms into chaos
for that to happen?
Is Illyrio a T. himself?
Or perhaps Aegon is Illyrio’s son?
He might have fathered a lilac-eyed son with his deceased love, who could have been of Targaeryen descent.
A number of quotes taken together support this, albeit weakly.
SPOILERS DON’T READ IF YOU HAVEN’T READ A STORM OF SWORDS
[quote]gregron wrote:
Is it just me or have they already taken more liberties with this season through 4 episodes than they did all last season?
This season is good so far.[/quote]
I agree. I don’t think they’ve done anything that takes away from the story though. Most of the things they’ve included that aren’t explicity in the books are at least implied strongly. Other things have been changed slightly to move the plot along more quickly (Arya as Tywin’s cupbearer instead of Roose Bolton’s; Robb having some random chick as his love interest vs. Jeyne Westerling; Melisandre giving birth to the creature now vs. when they take Storm’s End). I think it works better for TV this way. Otherwise all the characters would be too spread out, and you would need extra scenes just to explain where everyone is and why. It is a big enough story as it is.
The scene with Joffrey and the whores was a great addition. The only disappointment there was that we didn’t get to see Esme (Ros) Bianco’s epic tits again. They are ratcheting up the tension between Tyrion and his nephew a lot more than it was at this point in the books.
The new guy playing The Mountain fucking sucks. He isn’t intimidating at all. If Conan Stevens doesn’t come back for season 3 I will be very disappointed. I’m thinking (more hoping) they are trying to keep the new guy out of as many shots as possible so they can slide Stevens back into the role if possible. A tall skinny guy does not do Gregor Clegane justice, and everyone knows it. The Red Viper would eat this motherfucker alive.
One thing I’m interested in seeing is how they manage to conceal Barristan Selmy’s identity to the viewing audience, or if they even bother to try.
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
SPOILERS DON’T READ IF YOU HAVEN’T READ A STORM OF SWORDS
[quote]gregron wrote:
Is it just me or have they already taken more liberties with this season through 4 episodes than they did all last season?
This season is good so far.[/quote]
I agree. I don’t think they’ve done anything that takes away from the story though. Most of the things they’ve included that aren’t explicity in the books are at least implied strongly. Other things have been changed slightly to move the plot along more quickly (Arya as Tywin’s cupbearer instead of Roose Bolton’s; Robb having some random chick as his love interest vs. Jeyne Westerling; Melisandre giving birth to the creature now vs. when they take Storm’s End). I think it works better for TV this way. Otherwise all the characters would be too spread out, and you would need extra scenes just to explain where everyone is and why. It is a big enough story as it is.
The scene with Joffrey and the whores was a great addition. The only disappointment there was that we didn’t get to see Esme (Ros) Bianco’s epic tits again. They are ratcheting up the tension between Tyrion and his nephew a lot more than it was at this point in the books.
The new guy playing The Mountain fucking sucks. He isn’t intimidating at all. If Conan Stevens doesn’t come back for season 3 I will be very disappointed. I’m thinking (more hoping) they are trying to keep the new guy out of as many shots as possible so they can slide Stevens back into the role if possible. A tall skinny guy does not do Gregor Clegane justice, and everyone knows it. The Red Viper would eat this motherfucker alive.
One thing I’m interested in seeing is how they manage to conceal Barristan Selmy’s identity to the viewing audience, or if they even bother to try.[/quote]
As far as concealing Baristan Selmy’s id: you’re assuming the viewing public who hasn’t read the books will remember who Baristan was to begin with…
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
SPOILERS DON’T READ IF YOU HAVEN’T READ A STORM OF SWORDS
[quote]gregron wrote:
Is it just me or have they already taken more liberties with this season through 4 episodes than they did all last season?
This season is good so far.[/quote]
I agree. I don’t think they’ve done anything that takes away from the story though. Most of the things they’ve included that aren’t explicity in the books are at least implied strongly. Other things have been changed slightly to move the plot along more quickly (Arya as Tywin’s cupbearer instead of Roose Bolton’s; Robb having some random chick as his love interest vs. Jeyne Westerling; Melisandre giving birth to the creature now vs. when they take Storm’s End). I think it works better for TV this way. Otherwise all the characters would be too spread out, and you would need extra scenes just to explain where everyone is and why. It is a big enough story as it is.
The scene with Joffrey and the whores was a great addition. The only disappointment there was that we didn’t get to see Esme (Ros) Bianco’s epic tits again. They are ratcheting up the tension between Tyrion and his nephew a lot more than it was at this point in the books.
The new guy playing The Mountain fucking sucks. He isn’t intimidating at all. If Conan Stevens doesn’t come back for season 3 I will be very disappointed. I’m thinking (more hoping) they are trying to keep the new guy out of as many shots as possible so they can slide Stevens back into the role if possible. A tall skinny guy does not do Gregor Clegane justice, and everyone knows it. The Red Viper would eat this motherfucker alive.
One thing I’m interested in seeing is how they manage to conceal Barristan Selmy’s identity to the viewing audience, or if they even bother to try.[/quote]
Spoiler:
I bet the skip the Storm’s end part entirerly in the show. They haven’t mentioned it at all, and they really don’t need to for the story.
Unless of course Aegon is a mummers dragon, rather than the mummer’s dragon.[/quote]
Can’t see it happening, and I would be highly disappointed in Martin if he pulled that stunt. It would be like changing the rules of The Hunger Games to satisfy the teeny boppers’ thirst for a love triangle…oh wait.
You can only twist a plot a few times before people stop caring.
Three things lead me to strongly believe that he is in fact Rhaegar Targaryen’s son:
Jon Connington - An honorable man loyal to House Targaryen. He’s had the boy since he was a baby.
My understanding is that Varys handled the swap, so he might have pulled a fast one on Connington
Varys - He has been pulling strings to help the Targaryens the whole time. He would not be assisting if Aegon were not really a Targaryen.
Tyrion - He is too smart to be taken for this little ruse. In fact he sniffed through their cover story in the first place.[/quote]
Im thinking Aegon might be a Blackfyre, its been a while sense i read the books but, i think i remember something about Illyrio’s wife being a descendant of the female line of Blackfyres.
Besides the Golden Companies long term goal is to put a Blackfyre on the iron throne.
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
SPOILERS DON’T READ IF YOU HAVEN’T READ A STORM OF SWORDS
[quote]gregron wrote:
Is it just me or have they already taken more liberties with this season through 4 episodes than they did all last season?
This season is good so far.[/quote]
I agree. I don’t think they’ve done anything that takes away from the story though. Most of the things they’ve included that aren’t explicity in the books are at least implied strongly. Other things have been changed slightly to move the plot along more quickly (Arya as Tywin’s cupbearer instead of Roose Bolton’s; Robb having some random chick as his love interest vs. Jeyne Westerling; Melisandre giving birth to the creature now vs. when they take Storm’s End). I think it works better for TV this way. Otherwise all the characters would be too spread out, and you would need extra scenes just to explain where everyone is and why. It is a big enough story as it is.
The scene with Joffrey and the whores was a great addition. The only disappointment there was that we didn’t get to see Esme (Ros) Bianco’s epic tits again. They are ratcheting up the tension between Tyrion and his nephew a lot more than it was at this point in the books.
The new guy playing The Mountain fucking sucks. He isn’t intimidating at all. If Conan Stevens doesn’t come back for season 3 I will be very disappointed. I’m thinking (more hoping) they are trying to keep the new guy out of as many shots as possible so they can slide Stevens back into the role if possible. A tall skinny guy does not do Gregor Clegane justice, and everyone knows it. The Red Viper would eat this motherfucker alive.
One thing I’m interested in seeing is how they manage to conceal Barristan Selmy’s identity to the viewing audience, or if they even bother to try.[/quote]
Spoiler:
I bet the skip the Storm’s end part entirerly in the show. They haven’t mentioned it at all, and they really don’t need to for the story.[/quote]
Fuck I read the books and can’t remember.
I still keep reading though…page 350 of A Dance with Dragons!
Am I the only one that didn’t know that Robert Baratheon’s father and the Mad King Aerys were cousins?[/quote]
I vaguely remember something along the lines that Robert had some Targareyn (sic) blood in him…[/quote]
I recall something along those lines as well. That was why he became king instead of Ned after their rebellion.
So while I enjoy season 2, I feel like the info is still to broad for those who have not read the books to completely understand what is going on. I hear kids in class talk about stuff and they are getting the complete wrong impression from certain scenes.
[quote]Achilles of war wrote:
oboile i was just jokingzz.
So while I enjoy season 2, I feel like the info is still to broad for those who have not read the books to completely understand what is going on. I hear kids in class talk about stuff and they are getting the complete wrong impression from certain scenes.[/quote]
That, and the fact that they are dumbing down the characters a LOT. Stannis and Tywin have lost their edge to me, and Arya kinda seems like a scared little girl where she actually is a badass.
[quote]gregron wrote:
lets go ahead and keep the spoilers from the 5th book out of this thread for another couple weeks until i’m done with it? K Thanks guys!!
EDIT: Also on a more serious note… if possible, during your “SPOILER” warning, can you include which book the spoiler is from?[/quote]
I’ve been trying to do that but it’s hard to remember sometimes. Just hurry up and read the damn 5th book already! LOL
I think the reason why Robert became king instead of Ned was because Ned felt disgusted by the sack of King’s Landing and the murder Raegar’s children and wife, and did not want to take the rule under that situation.
At least that’s how I see it, looking at how Ned valued his honor and how he hesitated in becoming the Hand of the King, I doubt he would have wanted to rule knowing it had costed not only the blood of Aerys but childreen as well to get him to the Iron Throne, there’s also the fact that he knew he’d be surrounded by a bunch of cutthroats, Jaime, Tywin, Varys, etc. Starks probably have more ancient blood than Targs, afterall they descent from the guy who built the Wall, I don’t know how many thousand years before there was even paper and ink to keep a record.
As for Robert, I recall he said several times he never wanted to rule, just wanted Lyanna back and to drink and hunt and do all stuff a viking does, hence why he bankrupted the kingdom and didn’t gave a fuck.
Spoilers
The way they are protraying Tywin is a lot more like a “kind grandfather” than “cold sociopath that only cares about his family legacy”. I’ll be pretty upset of they don’t show why Tyrion choose to kill him.