[quote]soontobeIFBB wrote:
10mg taken at once will increase your average testosterone level by 5 times and decrease your endogeneous cortisol
by 50-70%.
Craze Im assuming this is why you keep stating that it drops cort levels by seventy percent, its on like every forum, NEVER seen any study to back it up though.
So Bill is10mg of dbol worth it as far as “the bridge” is concerned?[/quote]
Regardless of being only 10 mg, duration of use still has to be limited. So if putting the Dianabol to (better) use during the cycle, most likely it’s time to be off the 17-alkylateds by cycle’s end anyway.
Or if that’s not the case, still it can’t or rather should not be used continuously through a bridge of substantial duration.
As to whether it’s “worth it,” a few will really notice it, but many will see little.
That has nothing to do with any numbers from any studies but practical observation.
As for any amount of Dianabol increasing testosterone by any number of times, that is flat not true.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
soontobeIFBB wrote:
10mg taken at once will increase your average testosterone level by 5 times and decrease your endogeneous cortisol
by 50-70%.
Craze Im assuming this is why you keep stating that it drops cort levels by seventy percent, its on like every forum, NEVER seen any study to back it up though.
So Bill is10mg of dbol worth it as far as “the bridge” is concerned?
Regardless of being only 10 mg, duration of use still has to be limited. So if putting the Dianabol to (better) use during the cycle, most likely it’s time to be off the 17-alkylateds by cycle’s end anyway.
Or if that’s not the case, still it can’t or rather should not be used continuously through a bridge of substantial duration.
As to whether it’s “worth it,” a few will really notice it, but many will see little.
That has nothing to do with any numbers from any studies but practical observation.
As for any amount of Dianabol increasing testosterone by any number of times, that is flat not true.[/quote]
Okay that was what my first thought was, I tried taking 10mg/day and didnt notice anything,but those numbers looked convincing.
Thanks Bill.
Hmmm I been gulping down dbol pre workout for like close to 8 weeks now 10mgs sometimes 15mgs…just 1 1/2 hr pre workout. It may be a placebo effect but I tend to get better ‘pumps’ and feel less ‘tired’ after workout.
That means I been taking dbol 3 times a week at roughly 10mgs on average which…lets face it…is nothing. Hmmm…I’ll do another 3 or 4 weeks and go check my liver values again. I’m not taking any milk thistle at the moment. Better keep an eye on my liver values. Will report when I go for some tests.
I’m addicted to fish oil capsules also hmmm…my HDL/LDL ratio should be fine I guess…
you only workout three days a week?
Did you just come off cycle? whats the reason for the bol pre-workout?
Well…I train a lot to failure. I been getting VERY decent results with this particular training protocol. I’m only sleeping for like 4 hrs/day tough. But my diet is much better then before…hell its a bodybuilding type now.
I gained some serious mass In just 8 weeks I can tell. I got stretch marks on my left and right deltoid. Chest is definetley bigger, Trapezius is much bigger, and from 220lbs I weigh 209 lbs now. Strength increased also. My body tends to gain muscle with infrequent, to failure type training. Occasionally I introduce a ‘speed’ day tough. But that is something I seldom do.
It’s working for now. My friends and my mother have noticed a big difference also. I was a fat fatty fuck before. I’m a chubby big guy at the moment.
Sorry for the hijack OP…Nothing special. But I can notice the mass.
[quote]Bicep_craze wrote:
Sorry for the hijack OP…Nothing special. But I can notice the mass.[/quote]
Your in serious need of a cut coming up soon here bro.
[quote]Westclock wrote:
Bicep_craze wrote:
Sorry for the hijack OP…Nothing special. But I can notice the mass.
Your in serious need of a cut coming up soon here bro.[/quote]
Id drop the 10mg/bol and either up it to twenty or thirty so its worth it, or just save it till later.
2x starting the cut…
On a more personal note, Im disappointed in the new avatar, IMO she is moving to quickly to appreciate her attributes I expected better out of you lol
[quote]soontobeIFBB wrote:
Westclock wrote:
Bicep_craze wrote:
Sorry for the hijack OP…Nothing special. But I can notice the mass.
Your in serious need of a cut coming up soon here bro.
Id drop the 10mg/bol and either up it to twenty or thirty so its worth it, or just save it till later.
2x starting the cut…
On a more personal note, Im disappointed in the new avatar, IMO she is moving to quickly to appreciate her attributes I expected better out of you lol[/quote]
Hehehe yeah well. To be honest I been restricting calories these last 3 weeks or so. I went from 100Kgs to 95Kgs. Shit I must find some time to do some cardio. Ehh…30 mins every day all I need…I better start moving my arse.
Ah my avatar hahahahah to be honest I felt it had that ‘little something’ missing lol. Meh I’ll change it!!
[quote]Westclock wrote:
Bicep_craze wrote:
Sorry for the hijack OP…Nothing special. But I can notice the mass.
Your in serious need of a cut coming up soon here bro.[/quote]
Aye dude. Cardio cardio cardio… ehhhh
To be honest I would love to bump dianabol to 30mg preworkout only. But I dunno what impact it will have on my natural testosterone production. Hmmm… 30mgs for 3 times a week just preworkout ain’t shit I think. Ah well. I’ll try and see.
[quote]Bicep_craze wrote:
To be honest I would love to bump dianabol to 30mg preworkout only. But I dunno what impact it will have on my natural testosterone production. Hmmm… 30mgs for 3 times a week just preworkout ain’t shit I think. Ah well. I’ll try and see.[/quote]
Well, I can pretty much guarantee it will shut you down…but thats the thing with steroids lol. I think you need to stop looking at dbol like its NO Xplode… Why not either go all out or just not use it? Im just saying I dont see the point in 10mg/day its enough to impact your HPTA but not enough to give you great results.
EDIT: I wasnt advocating a dbol only cycle
10mg/day is going to repress you eventually.
You might as well use a real dose, and use a PCT.
Dbol only cycles arent great because its only a type II steroid.
You need a type I and type II for the cycle to be effective.
Hence the popularity of stacking anything with test, its both a type I and type II so its idiot proof.
In this situation I would just get some test and an SERM for PCT, and use the dbol to kickstart it. Nice little cycle.
If your not willing to do that you could order some “prohormones” and an SERM and bump the dbol up stacked with a pheraplex clone.
Its DMT, and its a type I.
Its not generally a good idea to stack dbol with another meythl but it is an option if you keep the cycle short.
Hmmm…ok
but
- Im not taking 10mg/day. I’m just taking 10mg pre-workout only. I think I might bite the bullet and get some test…fuck it I’ll start a proper little cycle then. BUT first I’ll do my best to cut down. When I’m decently lean then I’ll start a bread and butter cycle. Dianabols and test. Can get some HCG also which I’ll run through the cycle just to be safe. Should be nuff when I’ll start the cycle
Yeah type 1 and type 2 steroids are the best stack of course. I could easily get some anavar (type 1) also. But hell I want a healthy liver so…nah not worth it.
I’m really interested in messing with oral clenbuterol. Might do a 2 week clen cycle 4 weeks off and repeat until I get lean. And get some oral yohimbine HCL in conjuction. Mix some zaditen with that shit to keep my precious beta receptors clear and there we go. A decent cutting stack. Shit I might throw some oral anavar or oral winstrol also. Its like oral Helios I guess. Altough hell I could easily get some Helios. God I love doping. lol.
Ive used both, and I like albuterol much more than clen.
Same fat burning effect, more strength, less sides.
[quote]Westclock wrote:
Ive used both, and I like albuterol much more than clen.
Same fat burning effect, more strength, less sides.[/quote]
Hmmm interesting. From what I’ve read 4mgs-15mgs albuterol seems to suffice. Albuterol=shorter acting clenbuterol according to my research. Less sides, faster acting. Like the sound of it. Hmmm…I’ll use it only if necessary. I mean, I’m happy with HOT-ROX at the moment. I have ECA anyway but after I stop using it I rend to gain fat back again on that shit, even on reduced Kals for some reason. Ah well diet + training + HOT-ROX extreme is enough for now. It’s pretty good stuff I think, It’s like ECA, a bit less effective in the fat loss department but bloody hell my biceps just feel hard on HOT-ROX, no jitters…I like it.
I lost 5Kgs of fat (gained mass also, its visible and obvious to many that I did)m since I started weight training again (7 weeks ago I think). No need to rush things I guess
WHY are you taking Dbol if you just started working out again? I dont think you are any where near the vicinity of being ready for steroids. First off youre only twenty, second off, you certainly can make MUCH improvements to your physique NATURALLY. Third, you seem to think its “cool” to use PEDs. The whole God i love doping thing is where I get that from. You dont seem to understand how to properly dose the dbol. I would really take a look at what youre doing before continuing to use AAS and un-necessary fat burners
Natural…not natural. Yeah I know what you mean but uh, how the heck am I supposed to gain muscle when I can only eat twice after working out and get 4 hrs of sleep every day, sometimes even less?? I know I’m ‘only’ 20. But I say bullshit.
Check out most pro’s out there. Some of them started eating dbols like skittles since they where 15. I started at 17. I’m not saying it is right or not. I’m just saying that a low dose steroid ‘bridge’ pre 25 year old is fine if one can’t get adequate rest.
Don’t get me started on age issues. But thanks for the advice. I know what you saying tough both you and me know that once one gets a taste of the ‘dark side’, there’s no fucking way one is gonna turn back. I know how to dose dianabols properly. One must understand here that I’m merely training unnatural here.
I mean come on 10mgs just preworkout…ain’t shit anyway. I did an oral only cycle and I wont ever do another one of that shit. Seriously. If I’d go oral only I’d go with anavar anyway and do short 2 weeks on at 50-100mgs ED (100mgs ED preferred) and 4 weeks off cycles with some nolva and milk thistle in between, and repeat that for 2 or 3 times. Thats a good way to cut down.
Also those that say that natural is the best way to train, seriously I say a clear ‘bullshit’. Throw some ECA while in the ‘off’ period in the mix and you pretty much have a solid cycle. Epehedrine does protect muscle tissue to an extent while on a SERM.
Also anavar doesn’t shut you down that much. I might consider doing that. But since I’m seeing good results at the time being…no need to over complicate with bigger cycles. No need.
[quote]Bicep_craze wrote:
Also anavar doesn’t shut you down that much. I might consider doing that. [/quote]
False.
Anavar, as with any steroid, it shuts you down at effective doses, most people simply run anavar at a low dose.
Run it high enough to see big gains and it will shut you down in a hurry.
So what we have here is all of the risk, none of the benefit, plenty of arrogance (I know what Im doing and Im not listening to anyones advice), a heaping helping of excuses (I CANT eat right or enough, I CANT get enough sleep, blah blah blah).
Have fun with that.