[quote]tribunaldude wrote:
SIGH Why is this so difficult?
I don;t know what else to say here.
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no need to say anything else; that’s pretty much it.
[quote]superalpha wrote:
iv tried a low carb high calarie diet. i lost alot of muscle and got significantly weaker. your body needs good carbs and alot of it to be able to grow. on the other hand i think you can get lean and sill maintain a good body weight with a low carbs and high calarie diet.
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“calarie”
The short version of my strategy is I remain well low enough on carbs to stay adapted, get probably 50 or 60 grams around workouts in my shakes and load on Saturday with Sunday being a sort of, [quote]“depending on how I feel”[/quote] day.
I count nothing regularly and have been doing this long enough to just know what to eat when. I did however take the advice of the venerable Disc Hoss, who is maybe the most knowledgeable AD guy aside from DiPasquale on the planet, when he he urged me to spend the first few months strictly by the book. A piece of advice I have repeated many times and stand by.
Fat adapted living is really not complicated, but it does take commitment and some time. People have a tendency to panic if they feel tired or have a bad workout for a day and run back to carbs before they have given the process time to do it’s work.
As long as you’re eating more than you’re taking in you will gain weight,this is true,but how to calculate how much eating and taking .
so I tink if you have a health life style,you will keep a slim body.
Dear OP,
The answer to your question is yes.
Sincerely,
ElbowStrike
Eating that low amount of carbs will cause you body to use protein as energy which is very inefficient.
Only if you are not taking in enough fat. When a person dropps carbs from their diet they usually take in more fat for an energy source.
Its possible, but not optimal.
As for the question about whether the weight gain will be muscle; that depends on training and recovery.
Carbs pre/during/post workout are really ideal to aid in recovery and prevent the elevation of cortisol etc.
If anything, why not go like 50g on non-workout days, and 50g + another 50-100 around workout time?
[quote]steel_12 wrote:
No you cannot gain muscle on a low carb diet.you will gain weight,but not muscle.but thats just my opinion.You need complex carbohydrates to gain muscle.Muscle growth does not occur when glycogen levels are depleted,period.Low carb lowers testosterone and insulin.Both are key elements when wanting to gain muscle.To put it simply, Without insulin,the protein will not be delivered to the muscle efficiently. With low testosterone,protein synthesis will be at a minimum.
Dave Rogerson is right;it is not the intake of carbohydrates that makes you fat,but the mismanagement of carbohydrates.[/quote]
what. are. you. talking. about.
I went from 170 → 185 lean on a low carb diet. What does muscle growth have to do with glycogen. What does carbs have to do with testosterone, last time I checked Fats maintain hormonal balance. How are you ever without Insulin. You would die!
I dunno, this post is so confusing I don’t even know where to start.
To OP, you can gain muscle on any diet as long as you have surplus calories and the protein is there.
Are there any scientific studies that show that you’ll really gain mostly muscle with a certain macro-nutrient dominance in your diet?
It seems to me that your body will respond to a caloric surplus along with a solid training program and it doesn’t matter if you get the calories from carbs, fat or protein.
Maybe your body will gain a certain amount of fat and muscle despite how you control your macros.
You guys need to read up on nutrient timing. The benefits of carbs at the “right” times are why carbs are ideal for muscle gain.
There are numerous advantages to taking in carbs, but one of the main ones is that they will lower cortisol post workout. The quicker you can lower cortisol, the faster you can get back into repairing and growing.
Also carbs are protein sparing, making so you need less protein than if you weren’t taking in carbs.
[quote]50_Caliber wrote:
It seems to me that your body will respond to a caloric surplus along with a solid training program and it doesn’t matter if you get the calories from carbs, fat or protein.
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Im getting really tired of hearing this oversimplification of nutrition. It DOESN’T all come down to energy in vs. energy out.
Sure if you are fifty pounds over-weight and you just plain need to lose weight, then decreasing your energy intake and increasing your expenditure makes sense. But for the rest of us that are highly active and control our weight, this is not useful at all.
If you want to oversimplify things, then you could say eat a ton of protein, and then eat fat and carbs and workout hard, but this wont work for most people. You’ll gain weight, but you’ll gain a lot of fat.
There is absolutely no advantage to taking in more protein then your body needs. Protein is filling and will decrease the amount you can eat when compared to carbs.
So it doesnt come down to low carb or high carb is better. Instead it comes down to eating based on what your body needs. If you are using a ton of carbs for energy, then you need to eat a ton of carbs. And if your body is leaning toward burning fat and protein, then you need to up your protein and fat.
Your hormonal profile will dictate what type of diet or ratio of nutrients is best suited to you.
Some would make no progress whatsoever trying to build lean mass whilst on a low carb diet, whereas others(myself included) gain muscle and strength quite well on a low carb diet, providing protein is high and fats are high enough.
So my point is go with what works for you…haha(like we havn’t heard that enough)
There are plenty of reco’s re diet out there.
Pick ONE stick with it long enough to assess your progress and then decide. I still cant understand why there are idiots on here swearing by one diet or training regime, just cuz it works for them.
GJ
[quote]steel_12 wrote:
No you cannot gain muscle on a low carb diet.you will gain weight,but not muscle.but thats just my opinion.You need complex carbohydrates to gain muscle.Muscle growth does not occur when glycogen levels are depleted,period.
Low carb lowers testosterone and insulin.Both are key elements when wanting to gain muscle.To put it simply, Without insulin,the protein will not be delivered to the muscle efficiently. With low testosterone,protein synthesis will be at a minimum.
Dave Rogerson is right;it is not the intake of carbohydrates that makes you fat,but the mismanagement of carbohydrates.[/quote]
so what weight will you gain?
Going ultra low on any Macro is pretty stupid IMO.
No need to deny yourself anything just don’t eat too much shitty foods and alter your calories as needed.
If you’re doing a routine designed to put on size. Why would you do a low carb diet? I mean it doesn’t make sense. Lots of intense high rep work+low carbs=feeling like shit very fast. You need to have glyocen storages properly filled to fuel workouts intended to help add size.
Also you need to replenish what you lost after your workout. I have to take in about 200 carbs around just my workout time.
Unless you’re obese or have way more fat then muscle, where you shouldn’t even be thinking about adding mass anyways.