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[quote]texasguy wrote:

out of curiosity, do you know what texture in a musical context means? or the other adjectives?

and that question is just out of curiosity, not a rhetorical question out of spite. i ask because you notated it.

that’s fine if you like random noise. i’m a fan of some of it myself, but i wouldn’t call most of it talent or music.

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When I said textures I was referring to mainly the instrumentation and arrangements as well as the differing qualities of the instruments.

A closed hihat with a crosstick with a bassline as opposed to bashing the crash cymbals with a les paul and a marshal stack and the place in the song where that transition may occur. by weird, random, and spaztic I was talking about the unpredictability or eccentric qualities of any aspect of musicality that is oriented toward giving the music some kind of direction.

Random probably wasn’t the right word. Innovative probably would have been better, but ‘random’ can at times be an impressionistic response to things that are innovative, so that’s the semantic connection that I had when I wrote that.

There’s tons going on with modes and more developed aspects or harmonic structure, but I haven’t heard much of it on the radio.

I think that there’s a lot of bands that do things that are ‘random’ that exhibit a lot of creative expression and musicality. Take Mute Math for example. I can’t remember the name of the video, but the whole thing was played backwards and then to some extent synched up to the original song track.

It’s different and not based in the typical schema of what a lot of bands do, but to some extent or another, it can be considered ‘random’ or nonsensical.

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[quote]subdivision wrote:
texasguy wrote:

out of curiosity, do you know what texture in a musical context means? or the other adjectives?

and that question is just out of curiosity, not a rhetorical question out of spite. i ask because you notated it.

that’s fine if you like random noise. i’m a fan of some of it myself, but i wouldn’t call most of it talent or music.

When I said textures I was referring to mainly the instrumentation and arrangements as well as the differing qualities of the instruments. A closed hihat with a crosstick with a bassline as opposed to bashing the crash cymbals with a les paul and a marshal stack and the place in the song where that transition may occur. by weird, random, and spaztic I was talking about the unpredictability or eccentric qualities of any aspect of musicality that is oriented toward giving the music some kind of direction.

Random probably wasn’t the right word. Innovative probably would have been better, but ‘random’ can at times be an impressionistic response to things that are random, so that’s the semantic connection that I had when I wrote that.

There’s tons going on with modes and more developed aspects or harmonic structure, but I haven’t heard much of it on the radio.

I think that there’s a lot of bands that do things that are ‘random’ that exhibit a lot of creative expression and musicality. Take Mute Math for example. I can’t remember the name of the video, but the whole thing was played backwards and then to some extent synched up to the original song track. It’s different and not based in the typical schema of what a lot of bands do, but to some extent or another, it can be considered ‘random’ or nonsensical.
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cool. are you a musician? it sounds like you have a pretty good working knowledge of music. i’ve found that talking music with non musicians is about as pointless as talking weight training with metro sexuals.

i am a fan of Gavin Degraw. He is pretty mainstream but seems to actually have talent in a genre where there is less talent than you’d find in your typical rap group.

He does rely on computers to create certain sound effects, but i’m convinced he knows his way around a number of instruments as it is. I think he just uses machines to supplement his music in ways other wise impossible rather than to compensate for a lack of musical talent.

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[quote]texasguy wrote:
i am a fan of Gavin Degraw. He is pretty mainstream but seems to actually have talent in a genre where there is less talent than you’d find in your typical rap group.

He does rely on computers to create certain sound effects, but i’m convinced he knows his way around a number of instruments as it is. I think he just uses machines to supplement his music in ways other wise impossible rather than to compensate for a lack of musical talent. [/quote]

Yeah, I play. I think computers/technology are best suited when they aid music as suppliments. However, as much as I don’t really like the genre, there is some interesting electronica out there where people record and make thier own samples and do some pretty creative manipulation that I guess sounds cool if you’re into that sort of thing.

It’s a different skill set as opposed to playing an actual instrument, but I do think some of it is pretty creative.

As long as people keep finding new ways to build on what has already been done so that music can move forward I think we’re in ok shape. I just want rock to speed up again, most of the new stuff seems so slow.

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I agree with the comment about Dream Theater. While they are very talented, I dont think theyve broken much new ground in the past 10 years.

As far as newer metal bands go, Im a huge fan of The Dillinger Escape Plan and Between the Buried and me. Both of these bands do things that (for the most part) havent been done before. Still hard to beat Pantera though.

I dont know much about rap, but I do like listening to Busta Rhymes, Cassidy, and Papoose.

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[quote]subdivision wrote:
texasguy wrote:
i am a fan of Gavin Degraw. He is pretty mainstream but seems to actually have talent in a genre where there is less talent than you’d find in your typical rap group.

He does rely on computers to create certain sound effects, but i’m convinced he knows his way around a number of instruments as it is. I think he just uses machines to supplement his music in ways other wise impossible rather than to compensate for a lack of musical talent.

Yeah, I play. I think computers/technology are best suited when they aid music as suppliments. However, as much as I don’t really like the genre, there is some interesting electronica out there where people record and make thier own samples and do some pretty creative manipulation that I guess sounds cool if you’re into that sort of thing.

It’s a different skill set as opposed to playing an actual instrument, but I do think some of it is pretty creative.

As long as people keep finding new ways to build on what has already been done so that music can move forward I think we’re in ok shape. I just want rock to speed up again, most of the new stuff seems so slow. [/quote]

i think moving forward is great as well, but only if talent is compromised in the process. what instruments do you play"

i play the guitar, both electric and acoustic for the different styles and that’s about it. some times i’ll fuck around on a friends bass, but i don’t like it enough to buy one.

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Not future but I love Red Hot Chili Peppers.

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Woodbelly has an interesting sound, puts a interesting twist on things.

http://myspace.com/woodbelly

Their lead singer Cas Haley, I’m sure some of you saw him on America’s Got Talent, has a great and unique voice in my opinion. -

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[quote]texasguy wrote:
i think moving forward is great as well, but only if talent is compromised in the process. what instruments do you play"

i play the guitar, both electric and acoustic for the different styles and that’s about it. some times i’ll fuck around on a friends bass, but i don’t like it enough to buy one.[/quote]

I play guitar, bass, and drums. I really want to learn how to play piano though, and I should have learned a long time ago. Drums is definitely my favorite, because you can go absolutely CRAZY on them (and then you don’t have to worry about cardio :slight_smile: I like a lot of different styles, the only training I have is with jazz (which I don’t really like a whole lot), but I love playing anything that is genuinely passionate and has a fair amount of energy.

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[quote]red04 wrote:
Doubledown wrote:
Any recommendations for bands that have a musical sound like Killswitch Engage but without the typical metal yelling?

If your not dead set on KE’s style you can try some bands that are still definitely metal but little different sound, Killswitch is generally pretty clear as far as vocals go so I don’t know where you’re going to get a whole lot less “yell.”

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KE might not have been the best example. The little pieces of their stuff I had heard were “yell-ish”. I’ve since heard a little more and it doesn’t seem so prevalent.

Shadows Fall has too much yell to it (but with music that I really like). Oh well.

Thanks for the suggestions.

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[quote]Doubledown wrote:
red04 wrote:
Doubledown wrote:
Any recommendations for bands that have a musical sound like Killswitch Engage but without the typical metal yelling?

If your not dead set on KE’s style you can try some bands that are still definitely metal but little different sound, Killswitch is generally pretty clear as far as vocals go so I don’t know where you’re going to get a whole lot less “yell.”

KE might not have been the best example. The little pieces of their stuff I had heard were “yell-ish”. I’ve since heard a little more and it doesn’t seem so prevalent.

Shadows Fall has too much yell to it (but with music that I really like). Oh well.

Thanks for the suggestions.

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It seems like a lot of the yelling/screaming bands are actually starting to discover this thing called a ‘melody’, in which the vocalist actually uses the vocal tract to form an organized waveform and manipulate a frequency.

The trend lately in hardcore/metal has been to add more clean vox, which I think is a good thing. Even if you compare the older and recend albums of bands like Shadows Fall, Avenged Sevenfold, and It Dies Today the direction is to have more melodic vocals.