I hope that made sense to someone other than me.
I see where you are coming from totally, and i agree with the majority, except that i dont think you will get much from the primo after it stops… granted, gains come after a cycle finishes i find, this i suspect i due to the fact that blood levels of test/AAS are still high as fuck a while after the cessation of the drug…
But 6 weeks for primo… i get that with 700mg, it is a great anabolic drug… totally. i am “on-side” with primo believe me! It is just that if you are hoping that the gains over week 7and 8 are going to be great, like they would if you carried on the primo - i dont think they will…
You WILL get benefit from it, but i think that if you ran it for 8 weeks at 500mg, i think you would get more… I would do it, but i respect your ability to create cycles, and i have no doubt you will get exactly what you want from this one… great cycle… complicated, but great!
primo when it drops below 400mg… is not amazing… with test… is better, but still… the 2 weeks after week 6, you will be down to 300mh by end of week 7… 7 weeks on an enanth is the minimum IMO… thats 7 weeks ON, not 6 on and the 7th tapering off…
Upto you, its my opinion and you cant take that away from me! 
JJ
7 weeks on an enanth is the minimum IMO… thats 7 weeks ON, not 6 on and the 7th tapering off…
Upto you, its my opinion and you cant take that away from me!
JJ[/quote]
I agree, I would run the enanth for atleast 7-8 weeks…
For the theroy sake of it all I would personally run it 8 weeks as well.
Its something im thinkin about incorporating into a future cycle as well as ive heard nothing but good about it in a higher dose.
Another way to consider running your cycle is to cut it back to 8 weeks total.
W 1-8 Test Prop 50mg/d
W 1-8 Primo 100mg/d
W 1-8 Tren Ace 37mg/d
W 1-8 Mast DiProp 37mg/d
W 5-12 Test Enth 50mg 2x/w
taper
Im also finding at this point of 10 days in a just over 1200mg/wk that .25 mg of adex EOD is lots for now.
Good luck to you. Interested in results for sure.
i think you are slightly out with your stats - bf%, i think 19.5% is too high, judging by the condition of your midsection i would place you at 15-16%. Just thought id say as im slightly concerned you arent eating enough, especially carbs.
Stop drinking Beer as well lol, with your cardio/rugby schedule youd be at 9%bf in a few months.
Maybe worth considering Metformin as well mate, ive noticed after only a short period of use, a reduction of abdominal fat and also a small reduction of stomach protrusion, and basically i can eat more carbs which for me is the key.
Just my 2c
FG you wanna explain the mindset behind the whole test prop to test enanthate conversion thing you’re doing there. I just wanna understand where you’re coming from.
[quote]FuriousGeorge wrote:
GEAR
W 1-10 Test Prop 50mg/d
W 1-6 Primo 100mg/d
W 4-10 Tren Ace 37mg/d
W 4-10 Mast DiProp 37mg/d
W 8-14 Test Enth 50mg 2x/w
W 15-18 Test Enth Tapered down to zero
W 1-4, 10-18 Proviron 50mg/d
ANCILLIARIES
W 1-10 Adex 0.25mg/d or Letro 1.0mg/d
W 4-10 HCG 250iu E3D or 2x/w
W 4-14 HOT-ROX 1 cap 2x/d
[/quote]
Well… let me go over some stuff i seen when looking at it properly mate.
I understand the use of proviron/Masteron although i think if you coulsd use masteron throughout instead of the viron, you should - for the added anabolic effect, and it isnt too much more expensive.
I like the change from prop to enanth - that 2 weeks makes sense, i like the tren… i like the cycle. But i just cannot see why you have chosen to split it up like you have - and not just done a very very effective 6-8 weeker as someone mentioned…
So to make this an 8 week cycle: The primo neednt be added to, the dose could be 500mg for 8 weeks, the prop is fine, the proviron for 2 weeks then the masteron the last 6 (IMO 260mg a week is as low as you could go for mast, proviron is run at 350mg), the tren could be over the first 6 weeks and$ with primo and prop running 8 weeks, PLUS the prop dosage could be higher at 437mg/w rather than 350mg/w. ;D
Do a 8 week cycle, it is plenty - especially given the esters you are using.
JMO
[quote]testanabol wrote:
i think you are slightly out with your stats - bf%, i think 19.5% is too high, judging by the condition of your midsection i would place you at 15-16%. Just thought id say as im slightly concerned you arent eating enough, especially carbs.
Stop drinking Beer as well lol, with your cardio/rugby schedule youd be at 9%bf in a few months.
Maybe worth considering Metformin as well mate, ive noticed after only a short period of use, a reduction of abdominal fat and also a small reduction of stomach protrusion, and basically i can eat more carbs which for me is the key.
Just my 2c[/quote]
Remember my scale is measuring total body fat not just subq so it will be a little higher than if you were using calipers…it is supposed to be accurate to a DEXA scan but I am sceptical…
On my scale I have been measuring between 18.0-19.5%bf (the low number is usually the one I get before bed, the high one right when I wake up)…could just be that I am a little dehydrated in the morning because it judges your body’s water %. also could be that my scale sucks…i don’t know.
I am taking in a bit of carbs but trying to restrict them to post workout (had a bagel after yesterdays practice). the reality is that zero carb doesn’t leave many food choices so I will be cheating from time to time (I just crushed a huge burito with a whole grain wrap).
I am also not restricting carbs from veggies so tomoatos, peppers, etc are all fair game but I want to keep it to a minimum because I am a recovering carb addict and as soon as I start making excuses all of a sudden I am hammering half baguettes with breakfast (seriously, I do that, it’s awesome).
I have already cut the beer out and will try to restrict myself to just a few vodka sodas on the weekends.
I have considered metformin but I think I am going to wait and run it with HGH as per bushy’s recommendations when I am ready to pull the trigger on it but that is still a cycle or two away. i have also been watching CT’s log on his experience with Polquin’s insulinomics program with interest.
I am a former fat boy (thus the pooch and the flabby pecs), I am likely at least a little insulin resistant so I would like to work on that.
[quote]saps wrote:
FG you wanna explain the mindset behind the whole test prop to test enanthate conversion thing you’re doing there. I just wanna understand where you’re coming from.[/quote]
Id rather taper with enth than prop. that’s the only reason.
OK, just to allow JJ to sleep at night I will modify the cycle…just kidding bud, i appreciate the input…sometimes I overcomplicate things and can’t see the forest for the trees.
GEAR
W 1-10 Test Prop 50mg/d
W 1-8 Primo 75mg/d
W 3-10 Tren Ace 37mg/d
W 3-10 Mast DiProp 37mg/d
W 8-14 Test Enth 50mg 2x/w
W 15-18 Test Enth Tapered down to zero
W 1-2, 10-18 Proviron 50mg/d
ANCILLIARIES
W 1-10 Adex 0.25mg/d or Letro 1.0mg/d
W 4-10 HCG 250iu E3D or 2x/w
W 4-14 HOT-ROX 1 cap 2x/d
I am gonna keep it at 10 weeks for now…we’ll see, if I am ahead of schedule I may cut it down to 8.
I am gonna see how I do on 350mg/w of prop. this is afterall a cutting cycle so if 350/w does the trick I am gonna keep it there. I am not trying to gain a lot of weight on this. though i will have an extra bottle and if I need to run it higher i can. 450mg/w is the highest I will go on this though.
the primo I am running till week 8, that way it will clear at the same time as everything else at the end of week 10.
I have moved the tren and masteron up in the rotation so I will be starting them a week 3, about when the primo is kicking in…8 weeks should be lots for the tren.
I want to wait until I feel the test prop and have run it a bit so that I can judge if I have enough and adjust the dose before adding the tren and mast. 2 weeks should be enough time to jimmy the prop dose to where I am happy with it. this is the first time I am running short esters so I am not sure how I will react.
I have adjusted the proviron accordingly so that it doesn’t overlap the masteron.
the test enth is staying the same and as discussed is just there for the purpose of tapering.
as for the AI dose I am being overly cautious because I have had issues in the past and I want to stay very dry on this cycle. I get bloated very fast on gear which I want to avoid this go around. I may try less to see if it works and then just increase if needed.
Well, 3 days in I’m not really feeling much. sweating a lot today but I sweat a lot all often. injection sites are sore as hell but I expected that with prop
Like the re-work… good cycle, one of the more complex ones i have seen on this site actually! lol!
Good luck!
JJ
thanks man. i have high hopes for this one so hopefully it works out well.
not really that complicated when you look at it closely but it seems that way when you see it written out.
again, thanks for the input.
well I am starting to feel the test. nothing too mind blowing but my energy is up and I have been thinking a lot about how much I like boobs/girls asses. could be a coincidence.
rugby game went well today…still wanted to play more when the final whistle blew though.
no visible physique changes yet.
[quote]FuriousGeorge wrote:
I have been thinking a lot about how much I like boobs/girls asses.
[/quote]
How is that different from you off cycle
I’m very keen to follow this one FG all the best to ya
I mean even more than usual…like I can’t stop thinking about tits and ass.
ok, so little update…was feeling a little heavy so I figured I would step on a scale and…I have gained 10 lbs in 5 days. i assume most of that is water weight but I am sure there was some fat gain in there because I ate pretty sloppy this weekend. i ended up getting really stoned saturday and proceeded to crush 20 wings without even breathing. need to tighten up the diet starting now.
Looks good FG. I hope you get some nice lean gains.
On the bf scale topic, mine measures me at 19% when I’m at 13% on calipers. I also did it when I was at 10% before my vacation last week. Scale said 17% and calipers said 10%. Take it for what it’s worth.
ok, so my scale is off. I weighed myself at the gym and I only gained 4 lbs…
[quote]FuriousGeorge wrote:
JJ wrote:
I personally think the primo would be better at a lower dosage for longer… i assume it is the injectable… but now realsing it is the oral!
Oral isnt it? Disregard my concerns…
It’s injectable JJ.
I know that 700mg/w is a little high for primo depot but I have run as high as 800mg/w on my first cycle and liked it a lot. vituatlly no sides except shutdown which you could expect with any drug run that high. my first cycle started out as 600mg/w primo and 30mg/d Oral Turinabol…it was kickass until about 3-4 weeks in I couldn’t nut anymore (I know, I know, should have started with test only but I thought I was being really smart)…I added in 300mg/w test and 200mg/w masteron and literally within 3 days I was right as rain. I was hanging out with my wife and a few of her friends and slowly started pitching a tent out of nowhere. I played with the doses on that cycle until I found what I liked which was about what I started at (600primo/400test/200mast was my ideal combo).
to anyone that thinks primo is a weak drug my recommendation is to try running it at 600mg+/w…it’s expensive as fuck but it gives great results (strength, fatloss, lean mass, felt great).
[/quote]
I hear you on the masteron. That stuff is liquid sex drive. Even at 300 mg/w I was posting tents everywhere.
well I am now 1 full week in and not a whole lot happening physique wise.
My libido is very good (been getting random boners like I was 15 again…except now I am a grown up and I can’t just put my math textbook in front of it when I am getting up from my desk).
my recovery is also slightly inproved, I had a pretty hard cardio session yesterday and don’t even feel sore today. actually I feel pretty good today other than injection site soreness.
My wrist is giving me problems still although it is feeling a little better, I am not sure if I will be able to lift tonight so I will likely just stick with soccer to give it some more time.
i tried my first glute shot on monday and I could barely sleep last night (tues) because my ass hurt so bad. couldn’t even lie on that side because of it. tried stretching a bit and that just seemed to make it worse. sweating and insomnia was something I wasn’t expecting until I started the tren but I was sure having a bout of it last night due to the pain in my ass. I ended up finally taking some advil and stuffed an ice pack under my ass and was able to get to sleep.
in hindsight i don’t think i went deep enough with the glute shot, I loaded on a 1" pin without thinking and rather than switch it to a 1.5" I just used it which I think was a mistake. the area isn’t red or hot today but it is definitely swollen, hurts like a bitch, and has seriously reduced mobility.
I think I am going to bump the test dose soon from the 50mg/d to something like 70mg/d…if I like that dose i will add in the masteron/tren right away and drop the proviron.