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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
This simply needs to be looked at as a problem of the conservation of energy. The heat resevoir will always give up it’s energy to the entity with the lower heat capacity (specific heat). In the case of liquid to air it is via evaporation.
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But air is cooled when it passes over a body of water at the same temperature. In this case, heat must be going from the lower heat capacity air to the higher heat capacity water.

This can happen because in this case there is an increase in entropy of the system.

Right?

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[quote]mertdawg wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
This simply needs to be looked at as a problem of the conservation of energy. The heat resevoir will always give up it’s energy to the entity with the lower heat capacity (specific heat). In the case of liquid to air it is via evaporation.

But air is cooled when it passes over a body of water at the same temperature. In this case, heat must be going from the lower heat capacity air to the higher heat capacity water.

This can happen because in this case there is an increase in entropy of the system.

Right?]
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No, this is a misconception. Air is not cooled by water. Air is cooled by giving up heat (energy) via convection–i.e., air travels upward into the atmosphere until it’s density becomes such that it changes direction and comes back to the earth where it displaces warmer air–thus cooling it. Water cannot take heat back in the reverse process becasue of the differing heat capacities.

Think of it this way: Water and air are both liquids but water has a higher heat capacity than air–therefore, it has more to give up. This does not mean that the occasional stray water molecule will not become energized by convection currents but the statisical probabilty is what matters here. In order for air to be cooled by water we would need a net loss of energy into the water (i.e., water is heated).

Think about cooking oil and water. The two have differing heat capacities. Oil is higher than water and therefore can hold more heat. It will always give up heat before it takes it from water. Water will be in the process of state change long before oil reaches it’s needed temp to vaporize.

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[quote]X-Factor wrote:
Umm, Prof I know that you seem well versed in the whole racism thing and feel strongly about, so you should probably know that INUITS get highly offended by being called eskimos (by outsdiders)it’s essentially as bad as calling a black person a nigger.[/quote]

you guys are so PC that you’ve been rendered clueless

inuits aka eskimos are more commonly referred to as ice-negroes. (i have actually heard the term ice-spics before too, but that was back in the freezer, so perhaps it was indeed ice-pick)

in a similar twist, we refer to asians as rice-negroes

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5 pages into this, and nobody has mentioned that this guy is not one, not two, but THREE orders of magnitude off. those calories are not equal to our food Calories, aka KILOcalories.

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Not only that, but it shows how fucking clueless people are that they can’t just either directly look for the research:

Or their own fucking website.

http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=470160&pageNo=0#bottom

And since that was too hard, it might be too hard for people to click on links, so here you go, the actual study.

Water-induced thermogenesis.

Boschmann M, Steiniger J, Hille U, Tank J, Adams F, Sharma AM, Klaus S, Luft FC, Jordan J.

Franz-Volhard Clinical Research Center and Helios-Klinikum-Berlin, Medical Faculty of the Charite, Humboldt-University, D-13125 Berlin, Germany.

Drinking lots of water is commonly espoused in weight loss regimens and is regarded as healthy; however, few systematic studies address this notion. In 14 healthy, normal-weight subjects (seven men and seven women), we assessed the effect of drinking 500 ml of water on energy expenditure and substrate oxidation rates by using whole-room indirect calorimetry. The effect of water drinking on adipose tissue metabolism was assessed with the microdialysis technique.

Drinking 500 ml of water increased metabolic rate by 30%. The increase occurred within 10 min and reached a maximum after 30-40 min. The total thermogenic response was about 100 kJ. About 40% of the thermogenic effect originated from warming the water from 22 to 37 C. In men, lipids mainly fueled the increase in metabolic rate.

In contrast, in women carbohydrates were mainly used as the energy source. The increase in energy expenditure with water was diminished with systemic beta-adrenoreceptor blockade. Thus, drinking 2 liters of water per day would augment energy expenditure by approximately 400 kJ.

Therefore, the thermogenic effect of water should be considered when estimating energy expenditure, particularly during weight loss programs.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
X-Factor wrote:
Umm, Prof I know that you seem well versed in the whole racism thing and feel strongly about, so you should probably know that INUITS get highly offended by being called eskimos (by outsdiders)it’s essentially as bad as calling a black person a nigger.

Only in Canada is Inuit an acceptable term.

I have read that Alaskan Eskimos are offended by the term Inuit because it refers to a different tribe/nation.

It is nowhere near as offensive as you make it out to be.[/quote]

Not saying that you don’t know, but what makes you an authority?

The reason you think it’s not as bad as I make it out to be is due to the comparison I gave. Racism is racism, I had this discussion with the Prof already where it was basically concluded that no matter if you don’t MEAN it to be racist it certainly can be if someone is offended by the words you use. Therefore racism is racism. I know not alot but a handful of inuits, and the feel strongly about being called eskimos, this is also seen with FIRST NATIONS people being called indians, it is also racist to them.

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[quote]JOG wrote:
X-Factor wrote:
Umm, Prof I know that you seem well versed in the whole racism thing and feel strongly about, so you should probably know that INUITS get highly offended by being called eskimos (by outsdiders)it’s essentially as bad as calling a black person a nigger.

you guys are so PC that you’ve been rendered clueless

inuits aka eskimos are more commonly referred to as ice-negroes. (i have actually heard the term ice-spics before too, but that was back in the freezer, so perhaps it was indeed ice-pick)

in a similar twist, we refer to asians as rice-negroes[/quote]

Interesting use of race, seeing as how inuits are actually ancient asian mariners, nomads if you will. Geneologically they are pretty much of “asian” descent. They got to North American through “ice-bridges” etc…but thats just what the experts say, personally I don’t think anyone can say what happened 2000 years ago.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
X-Factor wrote:
Umm, Prof I know that you seem well versed in the whole racism thing and feel strongly about, so you should probably know that INUITS get highly offended by being called eskimos (by outsdiders)it’s essentially as bad as calling a black person a nigger.

Only in Canada is Inuit an acceptable term.

I have read that Alaskan Eskimos are offended by the term Inuit because it refers to a different tribe/nation.

It is nowhere near as offensive as you make it out to be.

I am actually much more focused on the fact that by even comparing the use of the word “eskimo” to “nigger” that he downplayed the significance of the latter term. No one uses “eskimo” to degrade someone or an entire group of people.[/quote]

Prof, how would you know that people don’t use “eskimo” to degrade someone? You live in Texas, i’m sure you’ve probably never met an inuit. My province practically borders Nunavut, so there are quite a few first nations and inuit, in fact to illustrate my point more precisely a good friend of mine when we were like 10 was half inuit, and I accidentally called his dad an eskimo, pretty much asking him if thats what he was.

he was’nt offended but explained to me why people refer to them as eskimos and said that it was predominantly used by first nations people in a degrading way. Pretty much because they did’nt want to be called eskimo they were. Hence the coining of a racist term. However there is a different tribe from western alaska that speaks yup’ik and prefer to be called yup’ik eskimos. Pretty much “eskimo” tries to cram the 2 different tribes “races”(?) into 1 term called eskimo.

It’s kind of like throwing everyone from europe into “european”, no ireland, no germany, no france, just european, it’s a no over really… Or even better and pretty much the same problem is calling all first nations indians, it’s a collective term that over looks the fact that there are MANY different tribes, that do differ actually quite greatly.

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They don’t like being called eskimos, but it is not akin to nigger.

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[quote]X-Factor wrote:

Prof, how would you know that people don’t use “eskimo” to degrade someone? You live in Texas[/quote]

I do?

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i’m sure you’ve probably never met an inuit.[/quote]

You sure do assume much.

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My province practically borders Nunavut, so there are quite a few first nations and inuit, in fact to illustrate my point more precisely a good friend of mine when we were like 10 was half inuit, and I accidentally called his dad an eskimo, pretty much asking him if thats what he was. [/quote]

Is that something like, “But I have a few black friends!”

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he was’nt offended[/quote]

Wait, he was NOT offended?

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but explained to me why people refer to them as eskimos and said that it was predominantly used by first nations people in a degrading way. Pretty much because they did’nt want to be called eskimo they were. Hence the coining of a racist term. However there is a different tribe from western alaska that speaks yup’ik and prefer to be called yup’ik eskimos. Pretty much “eskimo” tries to cram the 2 different tribes “races”(?) into 1 term called eskimo. [/quote]

So, because one guy told you that “First Nations People” used this term in a degrading way to eskimos, this means that all eskimos take offense to it and relate it to racial slurs?

“European” is now a racist term to? Just like “nigger”, huh?

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[quote]X-Factor wrote:
Interesting use of race, seeing as how inuits are actually ancient asian mariners, nomads if you will. Geneologically they are pretty much of “asian” descent. They got to North American through “ice-bridges” etc…but thats just what the experts say, personally I don’t think anyone can say what happened 2000 years ago.
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so what you are saying is …

dun dun dun du du dun dun
dun dun dun du du dun dun

rice-ice-negroes

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
X-Factor wrote:

Prof, how would you know that people don’t use “eskimo” to degrade someone? You live in Texas

I do?
Well I thought that you said you did previously, but I am pretty sure you’re in the states which is rather far from inuit territory, my apologies for the mistake.

i’m sure you’ve probably never met an inuit.

You sure do assume much.

Well I was going by the aforementioned statement, I thought there would’nt be that much of an inuit population in texas, once again my apologies

My province practically borders Nunavut, so there are quite a few first nations and inuit, in fact to illustrate my point more precisely a good friend of mine when we were like 10 was half inuit, and I accidentally called his dad an eskimo, pretty much asking him if thats what he was.

Is that something like, “But I have a few black friends!”

Not really, I could care less what race my friends are to be honest with you, we all know the Irish are the best anyways :wink: but I was just trying to illustrate a point from my personal experience.

he was’nt offended

Wait, he was NOT offended?

that is correct I was 10 and asked because I had only been in the country for a few months and there are’nt many inuits in N.ireland akin to texas :wink: I was pretty much amazed because I did’nt know there was such a thing and the culture really interested me. In fact I think at that time I had seen about 2 black people and a couple dozen asians, that includes television.

but explained to me why people refer to them as eskimos and said that it was predominantly used by first nations people in a degrading way. Pretty much because they did’nt want to be called eskimo they were. Hence the coining of a racist term. However there is a different tribe from western alaska that speaks yup’ik and prefer to be called yup’ik eskimos. Pretty much “eskimo” tries to cram the 2 different tribes “races”(?) into 1 term called eskimo.

So, because one guy told you that “First Nations People” used this term in a degrading way to eskimos, this means that all eskimos take offense to it and relate it to racial slurs?

All the ones I’ve spoken too and in fact you can get charged with discrimination for using the term here in Canada (does’nt happen much though).

It’s kind of like throwing everyone from europe into “european”, no ireland, no germany, no france, just european, it’s a no over really… Or even better and pretty much the same problem is calling all first nations indians, it’s a collective term that over looks the fact that there are MANY different tribes, that do differ actually quite greatly.

“European” is now a racist term to? Just like “nigger”, huh? [/quote]

I did’nt say that, I was just trying to explain to you how inuits view it. It’s very similar, it’s like robbing them off their heritage. A man from amsterdam is’nt a parisian.

I apologize if you know all this, but I assumed (again) that you don’t, most don’t…well south of the border anyways.

And an interesting note on inuits and several first nations tribes, they are pretty much programmed to store everything they eat due to generations of living off tree bark and fish etc…

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[quote]X-Factor wrote:
Professor X wrote:
X-Factor wrote:

Prof, how would you know that people don’t use “eskimo” to degrade someone? You live in Texas

I do?
Well I thought that you said you did previously, but I am pretty sure you’re in the states which is rather far from inuit territory, my apologies for the mistake.

i’m sure you’ve probably never met an inuit.

You sure do assume much.

Well I was going by the aforementioned statement, I thought there would’nt be that much of an inuit population in texas, once again my apologies

My province practically borders Nunavut, so there are quite a few first nations and inuit, in fact to illustrate my point more precisely a good friend of mine when we were like 10 was half inuit, and I accidentally called his dad an eskimo, pretty much asking him if thats what he was.

Is that something like, “But I have a few black friends!”

Not really, I could care less what race my friends are to be honest with you, we all know the Irish are the best anyways :wink: but I was just trying to illustrate a point from my personal experience.

he was’nt offended

Wait, he was NOT offended?

that is correct I was 10 and asked because I had only been in the country for a few months and there are’nt many inuits in N.ireland akin to texas :wink: I was pretty much amazed because I did’nt know there was such a thing and the culture really interested me. In fact I think at that time I had seen about 2 black people and a couple dozen asians, that includes television.

but explained to me why people refer to them as eskimos and said that it was predominantly used by first nations people in a degrading way. Pretty much because they did’nt want to be called eskimo they were. Hence the coining of a racist term. However there is a different tribe from western alaska that speaks yup’ik and prefer to be called yup’ik eskimos. Pretty much “eskimo” tries to cram the 2 different tribes “races”(?) into 1 term called eskimo.

So, because one guy told you that “First Nations People” used this term in a degrading way to eskimos, this means that all eskimos take offense to it and relate it to racial slurs?

All the ones I’ve spoken too and in fact you can get charged with discrimination for using the term here in Canada (does’nt happen much though).

It’s kind of like throwing everyone from europe into “european”, no ireland, no germany, no france, just european, it’s a no over really… Or even better and pretty much the same problem is calling all first nations indians, it’s a collective term that over looks the fact that there are MANY different tribes, that do differ actually quite greatly.

“European” is now a racist term to? Just like “nigger”, huh?

I did’nt say that, I was just trying to explain to you how inuits view it. It’s very similar, it’s like robbing them off their heritage. A man from amsterdam is’nt a parisian.

I apologize if you know all this, but I assumed (again) that you don’t, most don’t…well south of the border anyways.

And an interesting note on inuits and several first nations tribes, they are pretty much programmed to store everything they eat due to generations of living off tree bark and fish etc…[/quote]

I know that they have been found to have a much higher level of brown (thermogenic) adipose tissue. Everyone knows about that right?

Anyway, I also read that the Aleutians, (Flinket and Athatbaskins) are closely related to Pacific islanders and may have originated in Hawaii.

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[quote]mertdawg wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
X-Factor wrote:
Umm, Prof I know that you seem well versed in the whole racism thing and feel strongly about, so you should probably know that INUITS get highly offended by being called eskimos (by outsdiders)it’s essentially as bad as calling a black person a nigger.

Only in Canada is Inuit an acceptable term.

I have read that Alaskan Eskimos are offended by the term Inuit because it refers to a different tribe/nation.

It is nowhere near as offensive as you make it out to be.

So Inuit and Eskimos are offended when they get their names switched because THEY are racist.

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Yup. Just as I must be racist because I want people to refer to me as an American, not a Canadian.

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[quote]mertdawg wrote:
You brought up molecules stealing some heat and evaporating. If a molecule of water gets hit directly by a 900 mile/hour air molecule, then it doesn’t matter how much heat is present in the nearby body, the air molecule is going to transfer its energy to the water.
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LOL again @ 900 mph!

I’d suggest that this is not really a significant issue in molecular energies. You may want to examine the speeds of the other involved parties and the other ways that energies are expressed.

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[quote]X-Factor wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
X-Factor wrote:
Umm, Prof I know that you seem well versed in the whole racism thing and feel strongly about, so you should probably know that INUITS get highly offended by being called eskimos (by outsdiders)it’s essentially as bad as calling a black person a nigger.

Only in Canada is Inuit an acceptable term.

I have read that Alaskan Eskimos are offended by the term Inuit because it refers to a different tribe/nation.

It is nowhere near as offensive as you make it out to be.

Not saying that you don’t know, but what makes you an authority?

The reason you think it’s not as bad as I make it out to be is due to the comparison I gave. Racism is racism, I had this discussion with the Prof already where it was basically concluded that no matter if you don’t MEAN it to be racist it certainly can be if someone is offended by the words you use. Therefore racism is racism. I know not alot but a handful of inuits, and the feel strongly about being called eskimos, this is also seen with FIRST NATIONS people being called indians, it is also racist to them.
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I have recently read a few books on American Indians/Native Americans.

Most prefer the term Indian as opposed to Native American.

Almost all South and Central American Indians prefer the term Indian or American Indian to the term Native American.

In the US and Canada there is a split based on age as to who prefers the term Native American and who prefers Indian.

Regarding the term Eskimo I think it is an Iroquois word.

EDIT It is an Algonquian word.

I think the term Inuit means “the people” in the language of one of the groups based in Canada.

As such it does not have the same meaning for the Alaskans and Eskimo is prefered by many in Alaska.

I am by no means an expert but Eskimo is not a derogatory term. Anyone that is offended by it is looking for reason to be offended.

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[quote]X-Factor wrote:
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However there is a different tribe from western alaska that speaks yup’ik and prefer to be called yup’ik eskimos. Pretty much “eskimo” tries to cram the 2 different tribes “races”(?) into 1 term called eskimo.

…

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Thank you. I could not think of the Alaskan tribe.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
I’d suggest that this is not really a significant issue in molecular energies. You may want to examine the speeds of the other involved parties and the other ways that energies are expressed.

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Anyway, in thinking about this, I have changed my mind about my original proposal that the heat of vaporization of sweat does not mostly come from the body.

I think that what I overlooked was that if air particles do contribute to vaporization of sweat, it is only taking heat away from the air that would have almost cerainly gone into the body if the sweat hadn’t been their (the air molecule that gets slowed down in this hypothetical case was on a collision course for the body and if anything is just going to transfer less via conduction than it would have if the sweat hadn’t been there).

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Then again Vroom, 900 miles per hour is pretty fu*king fast!

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[quote]X-Factor wrote:

I did’nt say that, I was just trying to explain to you how inuits view it. It’s very similar, it’s like robbing them off their heritage. [/quote]

It isn’t similar at all. Every culture on the planet doesn’t know about every other culture. However, a word that has only been historically used as a degrading term referring to black people here in America (outside of slang use among black Americans) isn’t going to be used in a completely benign fashion by other cultures (outside of immitating some sayings in Hip Hop culture).

It is nothing like the word “eskimo” which no one outside of SOME Eskimos would even think of in a negative light. The only people who would even be aware of its negative use according to you are “First Nations People” and some eskimos themselves. How is that like the racial slur “nigger” which had the ONLY original purpose of degrading an entire race of people?