x2 to both of you
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
wtf is BOI?[/quote]
Bunch Of Idiots
trollolol[/quote]
Problem is most have yet to start shaving[/quote]
I’m Indian, I got made fun of in the 4th grade because I was growing a mustache similar to Kate Upton’s
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
blah blah blah BOI blah blah blah[/quote]
I’d say the problem is a guy shouting down the opinions of, say, a person who accomplished more in one show than X ever will, calling a goddamn elite powerlifter “not a winner” and constantly arguing with the biggest guy on the site before he got banned.
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you come across as a typical self righteous smug BOI circle jerker here with your band of merry men to high 5 each other like a bunch of retarded college kid morons than to add anything relevant at all.
it is boring to read all of your shitty high 5 posts to each other all the time.
as i said a number of these arrogant college age little pricks were here a few years ago doing the same thing and it got old quick back then too.
page after page of stupid memes and oh so hilarious cool incrowd Facebook jokes to each other.
this is a new forum and you have decided to post the same fucking shit.
it is not appreciated.
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LOL is it just me or does it seem like PX has multiple alternate accounts? As a longtime lurker, I’ve gathered that the guy’s clearly got some issues; inferiority complex etc, but damn.
[quote]COMEONDIESEL wrote:
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
blah blah blah BOI blah blah blah[/quote]
I’d say the problem is a guy shouting down the opinions of, say, a person who accomplished more in one show than X ever will, calling a goddamn elite powerlifter “not a winner” and constantly arguing with the biggest guy on the site before he got banned.
[/quote]
you come across as a typical self righteous smug BOI circle jerker here with your band of merry men to high 5 each other like a bunch of retarded college kid morons than to add anything relevant at all.
it is boring to read all of your shitty high 5 posts to each other all the time.
as i said a number of these arrogant college age little pricks were here a few years ago doing the same thing and it got old quick back then too.
page after page of stupid memes and oh so hilarious cool incrowd Facebook jokes to each other.
this is a new forum and you have decided to post the same fucking shit.
it is not appreciated.
[/quote]
LOL is it just me or does it seem like PX has multiple alternate accounts? As a longtime lurker, I’ve gathered that the guy’s clearly got some issues; inferiority complex etc, but damn.
[/quote]
no
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
[quote]COMEONDIESEL wrote:
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
blah blah blah BOI blah blah blah[/quote]
I’d say the problem is a guy shouting down the opinions of, say, a person who accomplished more in one show than X ever will, calling a goddamn elite powerlifter “not a winner” and constantly arguing with the biggest guy on the site before he got banned.
[/quote]
you come across as a typical self righteous smug BOI circle jerker here with your band of merry men to high 5 each other like a bunch of retarded college kid morons than to add anything relevant at all.
it is boring to read all of your shitty high 5 posts to each other all the time.
as i said a number of these arrogant college age little pricks were here a few years ago doing the same thing and it got old quick back then too.
page after page of stupid memes and oh so hilarious cool incrowd Facebook jokes to each other.
this is a new forum and you have decided to post the same fucking shit.
it is not appreciated.
[/quote]
LOL is it just me or does it seem like PX has multiple alternate accounts? As a longtime lurker, I’ve gathered that the guy’s clearly got some issues; inferiority complex etc, but damn.
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no
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yes
[quote]SSC wrote:
Here’s an opinion from a truly objective lurker in this thread, take it or leave it.
Yeah, I’m in the BOI. That doesn’t really affect my disposition towards T-Nation, though I post much less frequently now because it’s mostly threads like these. As far as I’m concerned this entire forum (seems to me) was made with the intention of facilitating opinion-laden and “spirited” conversations and debates. Therein, the quality of the Bodybuilding forum seems to have actually increased (omg!) and won’t take away from the serious threads.
In regards to actually arguing, I can no longer justify getting all wound up about petty internet endeavors. It’s just not really worth it in the grand scheme of the things. It’s easy to not reply.[/quote]
So what you’re saying is they created this to be the shitstorm forum, and it’s serving admirably by sucking the venom out of the bodybuilding section? That’s exactly what I was thinking lol.
So, tens of thousands of posts about accepting bodyfat to gain muscle, posts that he doesn’t care about bodyfat percentage, then gets personally offended and argues for pages and pages when someone estimates his body fat to be higher than he thinks it is…
Kinda sounds like if a woman were to tell you she didn’t care about age because it’s just a number, then you try to guess and she gets pissed (because she really cares and all her talk about not caring is actually compensation for caring way too much)
It’s like being gay and talking incessantly about women as a cover instead of being honest with yourself.
I think someone might be in denial…
lol
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
So, tens of thousands of posts about accepting bodyfat to gain muscle, posts that he doesn’t care about bodyfat percentage, then gets personally offended and argues for pages and pages when someone estimates his body fat to be higher than he thinks it is…
Kinda sounds like if a woman were to tell you she didn’t care about age because it’s just a number, then you try to guess and she gets pissed (because she really cares and all her talk about not caring is actually compensation for caring way too much)
It’s like being gay and talking incessantly about women as a cover instead of being honest with yourself.
I think someone might be in denial…
lol[/quote]
yes
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
So, tens of thousands of posts about accepting bodyfat to gain muscle, posts that he doesn’t care about bodyfat percentage, then gets personally offended and argues for pages and pages when someone estimates his body fat to be higher than he thinks it is…
Kinda sounds like if a woman were to tell you she didn’t care about age because it’s just a number, then you try to guess and she gets pissed (because she really cares and all her talk about not caring is actually compensation for caring way too much)
It’s like being gay and talking incessantly about women as a cover instead of being honest with yourself.
I think someone might be in denial…
lol[/quote]
Best post.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
So, tens of thousands of posts about accepting bodyfat to gain muscle, posts that he doesn’t care about bodyfat percentage, then gets personally offended and argues for pages and pages when someone estimates his body fat to be higher than he thinks it is…
Kinda sounds like if a woman were to tell you she didn’t care about age because it’s just a number, then you try to guess and she gets pissed (because she really cares and all her talk about not caring is actually compensation for caring way too much)
It’s like being gay and talking incessantly about women as a cover instead of being honest with yourself.
I think someone might be in denial…
lol[/quote]
Best post.[/quote]
Buttered post
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
So, tens of thousands of posts about accepting bodyfat to gain muscle, posts that he doesn’t care about bodyfat percentage, then gets personally offended and argues for pages and pages when someone estimates his body fat to be higher than he thinks it is…
Kinda sounds like if a woman were to tell you she didn’t care about age because it’s just a number, then you try to guess and she gets pissed (because she really cares and all her talk about not caring is actually compensation for caring way too much)
It’s like being gay and talking incessantly about women as a cover instead of being honest with yourself.
I think someone might be in denial…
lol[/quote]
Best post.[/quote]
Buttered post[/quote]
Breast toast.
[quote]BPCorso wrote:
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Not trying to pick sides or dick ride but there’s a guy at my current gym that is close to X’s build (black with a short beard and in his mid-30s too LOL) and he commands the utmost respect at the gym. People want to talk training with him all the time and stop to watch him when he’s moving big ass weights.
My point being I think it’s a little ridiculous to shit on X’s physique because I highly doubt it would happen in real life based on my real life experience.[/quote]
Estimating someone’s bodyfat percentage is not “shitting on a physique” or discrediting their accomplishment. I say superheavy powerlifters like Andy Bolton and Donnie Thompson are obese. Does this discredit their world records or their outrageous amount of muscle? Not only do people ask them for training tips, Thompson holds seminars instructing others how to do things.
Normal, well mannered, socially adjusted people don’t walk up to complete strangers and give unsolicited criticism, so someone walking up to the fellow in your gym you speak of and stating his bodyfat estimation is highly unlikely.
This is what I don’t get about the whole “people wouldn’t say this in person” spiel: well mannered people aren’t going to be rude and on the other hand, people being astonished that there are some rude people out there or even normal people who don’t feel they have to watch their p’s and q’s around some guy because he lifts weights!
And what is some guy like the one in your gym going to do in response to rudeness–cave someone’s head in, physically assault them and wind up in jail?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]flch95 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
My muscular size hit its peak after years of slowly, and consciously starting to pay attention to my diet and training, and all after the age of 30.
S[/quote]
key point…most of the advice for any type of extreme bulking has been aimed at people YOUNGER THAN 30. I mentioned that right here as well. Maybe people thought I was older than I was when I first started posting. I always made the point that I wouldn’t be bulking up much over the age of 30-35.
I wouldn’t expect someone over the age of 30 to see the same benefit especially if it took even longer past that to learn to eat right.
By 30 I had much of that worked out from several years of trial and error.[/quote]
So what would you tell someone mid 30s, in the 150-170lb range just starting out with the goal of adding size?[/quote]
Find maintenance calories and add 10 to 15% to that or set calories at 15 calories per pound, see what happens, and make adjustments from there, not “eat big to get big”. These are the same sensible guidelines for gaining for people of any age.
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Yeah, the problem with that is, the body you have at 20 IS NOT the body you have at 35.
For instance, your tendons can repair themselves MUCH faster under the age of 35…which means who is going to make more progress and recover faster from truly heavy all out workouts that stress those tendons and require more recovery?
If someone were over the age of 30-35, I would have them be more cautious with their caloric increases because your risks of effecting blood pressure and not having the metabolism to grow optimally become a greater factor.
Anyone trying to move more than 4 plates a side on any movement understands what mean about tendon recovery…which can short change muscle recovery and growth completely…especially as you age.
Bulking up and working on all out size is about understanding these biological differences, not ignoring them or acting like what I am writing is impossible.
Some of you act like the info some of us are writing is nonsense…when the results speak for themselves.
But hey…everyone is just adding body fat if we listen to some of you.
anyone not showing all abs is “over 25% body fat”.[/quote]
Please X, tell me the problem with finding maintenance calories and increasing by 10 to 15%.
There’s also the Harris Benedict equation that takes into account age and activity to set a baseline.
Or someone can use what they’re currently eating provided their daily menu isn’t horrible if it is maintaining weight and going from there.
Please tell us YOUR guidelines for people of varying age groups: teenagers, 20s, and 30+. Give us some specific guidelines other than “eat big” or “eat more” (anything involving MORE would involve an accurate sense of what happened before or now).
I challenge you go to give your best and not respond with some vague answer or one that has nothing to do with the topic at hand, for example talking about tendon robustness when we’re trying to map out a damn diet! Please inform us. We have a contest prep coach in this thread, people who are using nutrition and training coaches, and I myself, a dietitian, who want to be schooled or improve our professional or physique practices.
Let us know. If my GENERAL recommendations (they have to be general because I’m not working closely with people in threads on the internet) aren’t good, what do you say?
Oh by the way, if we want to play the “look who agrees with me” game, I can participate: there are writers on THIS very site, T-mag, who have given IDENTICAL general guidelines as I have, not to mention hundreds or thousands in articles all over the internet, in magazines, books, and classrooms.
Care to offer something new?
I even gave you a case study sometime, something along the lines of a person with X age, X years of experience, and X body composition and asked for your input on gaining. You didn’t respond.
Also, although someone will likely be in a better position for most things physical in their teens, 20s, and early 30s, nothing magical happens for people except a tiny few, with most people making gains of about pound or two of muscle in a month, if that. Are there cases of one pound of muscle in a week by some natties at young ages? I think so, in RARE cases, but those sorts of outrageous gains don’t go on unduly and certainly not for long.
In regards to the whole: “You should mega bulk because we only have one time to go around and if you don’t get it done fast, you might never get there.”
As I’ve said before, for a natty, provided they do things right from the start, after the third year, nothing significant is happening in terms of muscular gain, say gains of 5 pounds of muscle or less per year. So it’s not like they need decades of force feeding and constantly recomping to get where they want to be. This phenomenon is also why some of us get skeptical when someone talks about constant, seemingly NEVER ENDING recomping progress and talk of 80 to 100 pound muscular gains.
Oh, and by the way, those guidelines are BASELINE guidelines. Just because I mentioned an increase of 10 to 15% doesnt mean another 10 to 15% won’t happen again in the case the person isn’t gaining. But I understand that you aren’t fond of calculated adjustments and seem to want 160 pound noobs to jump on 5.000 to 6,000 calorie diets coming out of the gate.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
This is what I don’t get about the whole “people wouldn’t say this in person” spiel: well mannered people aren’t going to be rude and on the other hand, people being astonished that there are some rude people out there or even normal people who don’t feel they have to watch their p’s and q’s around some guy because he lifts weights!
And what is some guy like the one in your gym going to do in response to rudeness–cave someone’s head in, physically assault them and wind up in jail?[/quote]
Duh-uh
Calling in photobombers, need support. Photobombers, come in, photobombers. Are you there, photobombers?
This thread is a joke. The same bunch of guys fucking up every thread to fuss about ANYTHING I post.
Even attempting a discussion is useless. I do know for a fact that none of you would do well actually discussing this topic one on one without the “posse mob attack” and without the personal attacks.
If you care to try, then do so. State your opinion and allow an actual discussion without your “boiz”.
Let’s see if any of you can actually do that.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
This thread is a joke. The same bunch of guys fucking up every thread to fuss about ANYTHING I post.
Even attempting a discussion is useless. I do know for a fact that none of you would do well actually discussing this topic one on one without the “posse mob attack” and without the personal attacks.
If you care to try, then do so. State your opinion and allow an actual discussion without your “boiz”.
Let’s see if any of you can actually do that.[/quote]
All I did in my last posts on the page before this was ask you some questions–no attacking.
Care to share your nutritional recommendations for gaining, or even to establish a “full house” look? Serious question.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
This thread is a joke. The same bunch of guys fucking up every thread to fuss about ANYTHING I post.
Even attempting a discussion is useless. I do know for a fact that none of you would do well actually discussing this topic one on one without the “posse mob attack” and without the personal attacks.
If you care to try, then do so. State your opinion and allow an actual discussion without your “boiz”.
Let’s see if any of you can actually do that.[/quote]
All I did in my last posts on the page before this was ask you some questions–no attacking.
Care to share your nutritional recommendations for gaining, or even to establish a “full house” look? Serious question.
[/quote]
Once again, ask your questions here. I have no plans on going through all of that crap to debate with 5-10 people at one time.
Let me make it clear…starting here, start your “debate” and tell your posse of zraw to stand down.
Let’s see if you can do that.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Care to share your nutritional recommendations for gaining, or even to establish a “full house” look? Serious question.
[/quote]
My recommendations for gaining are also already in this thread. I am also not telling anyone to “establish a ful house look”.
That’s retarded.