Its hard not to follow someone who is in every damn thread tbh
[quote]zraw wrote:
Its hard not to follow someone who is in every damn thread tbh[/quote]
What difference does that make?
Seriously. Most of the threads I started here are doing well. Most of them get more views also.
How is me posting here such a problem for you?
I mean, I know why…but do you?
Can we just call this the “I hate Prof X thread” can be done with it?
What do you all do in real life when you encounter people you don’t like or offer different opinions?
I just want more pics of that hawt Steely D guy…
james
I don’t like it when mummy and daddy fight
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]zraw wrote:
see someone talking about how softer is the way to go for optimal gains and no one called him out Y[/quote]
First, who said this?
That isn’t the message here…so if you can’t understand that, why spread false info?
What was actually said is not all people grow optimally at lower body fat percentages…which CT also has written.
please explain in detail the problem you have with this.[/quote]
You also ignored this very conveniently.
care to tell me who is saying this and why you don’t understand what I just wrote here?
[quote]atypical1 wrote:
Can we just call this the “I hate Prof X thread” can be done with it?
What do you all do in real life when you encounter people you don’t like or offer different opinions?
I just want more pics of that hawt Steely D guy…
james[/quote]
I’m calling it out here because it is fucking up every thread.
It also doesn’t make any sense. You would think I was all of 150lbs the way these guys act.
[quote]Myosin wrote:
The Dave Tate transformation articles posted here showed a very impressive and lean “full house-type” look. He was better off health-wise as well.[/quote]
Sure. And agreed.
However, he didn’t “lean creep UP” to that final transformation. He was much heavier (and admittedly fatter) then cut DOWN.
[quote]atypical1 wrote:
I just want more pics of that hawt Steely D guy…
james[/quote]
The dic pics aren’t enough for you???!!?
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]Myosin wrote:
The Dave Tate transformation articles posted here showed a very impressive and lean “full house-type” look. He was better off health-wise as well.[/quote]
Sure. And agreed.
However, he didn’t “lean creep UP” to that final transformation. He was much heavier (and admittedly fatter) then cut DOWN.[/quote]
Which is what built most of the biggest dudes on the planet.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]Myosin wrote:
The Dave Tate transformation articles posted here showed a very impressive and lean “full house-type” look. He was better off health-wise as well.[/quote]
Sure. And agreed.
However, he didn’t “lean creep UP” to that final transformation. He was much heavier (and admittedly fatter) then cut DOWN.[/quote]
Bingo. I would imagine that it would a LOT easier to get that look from putting on weight and squatting hundreds of pounds and then leaning out than the other way around.
james
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]atypical1 wrote:
I just want more pics of that hawt Steely D guy…
james[/quote]
The dic pics aren’t enough for you???!!?[/quote]
Your public is demanding aren’t they?
[quote]atypical1 wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]atypical1 wrote:
I just want more pics of that hawt Steely D guy…
james[/quote]
The dic pics aren’t enough for you???!!?[/quote]
Your public is demanding aren’t they?[/quote]
If I must oblige…
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[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]zraw wrote:
see someone talking about how softer is the way to go for optimal gains and no one called him out Y[/quote]
First, who said this?
That isn’t the message here…so if you can’t understand that, why spread false info?
What was actually said is not all people grow optimally at lower body fat percentages…which CT also has written.
please explain in detail the problem you have with this.[/quote]
You also ignored this very conveniently.
care to tell me who is saying this and why you don’t understand what I just wrote here?[/quote]
ct has also written the truth about bullking article-
also,
zraw has been incredibly helpful to me and many others on this site
[quote]GrindOverMatter wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]zraw wrote:
see someone talking about how softer is the way to go for optimal gains and no one called him out Y[/quote]
First, who said this?
That isn’t the message here…so if you can’t understand that, why spread false info?
What was actually said is not all people grow optimally at lower body fat percentages…which CT also has written.
please explain in detail the problem you have with this.[/quote]
You also ignored this very conveniently.
care to tell me who is saying this and why you don’t understand what I just wrote here?[/quote]
ct has also written the truth about bullking article-
also,
zraw has been incredibly helpful to me and many others on this site
[/quote]
CT also had a discussion right here with me on that article where he stated that “10%” should not be taken literally.
He is also right here so if the discussion can be kept civil, just ask him for clarity. We have had face to face discussions about this so I already know what he thinks about this.
I am truly glad zraw helped you. Jumping into this thread to laugh at people who DO have the experience isn’t helping though. It is being rather childish when I would think everyone here would have a goal of being better, not acting like someone got really big by accident or by not know at all what they are talking about.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:
Like? Many of the people here, who have posted pictures bulked up. Later, they say if they could go back they would gain slowly to keep fat gain at a minimum. Way, Stu, Ebomb, Bug, Austin… to name a few. That does not change the fact that they bulked up. Would having gained slower allowed them to make that progress? Would it have been better? I do not know.
[/quote]
Additionally, some of the better known coaches/lifters like Wendler and Tate (CT? D.John?) who were bigger and now leaner now take the line that they would have stayed leaner if they could do it all over again. It’s one thing to take that line, but the fact remains they were much bigger at some point.
*I am not speaking for those people, just expressing my interpretation of things I’ve seen written by them at some point[/quote]
I’d like to point out that I was nowhere bigger (more muscular) when I weighed more. I never consciously ‘bulked’ (never exceeded 34" pants with a belt), I simply didn’t know how to eat, and figured that as long as I ate every few hours, and trained for strength that I’d magically get huge. It didn’t work.
My muscular size hit its peak after years of slowly, and consciously starting to pay attention to my diet and training, and all after the age of 30.
Will I ever have to turn sideways to walk through a doorway? Of course not, I’m 5’8, with fairly small joints. Saying that I bulked up, and only in hindsight say I would have done it differently just isn’t true though. If I could change anything, looking back, it’s that I wish I didn’t listen to the ‘big’ guys at the gym telling me to ‘lift big and eat big’, and instead focused on actually understanding what was indeed necessary; feeding your body what it needs, when it needs it, and training for hypertrophy.
S
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
My muscular size hit its peak after years of slowly, and consciously starting to pay attention to my diet and training, and all after the age of 30.
S[/quote]
key point…most of the advice for any type of extreme bulking has been aimed at people YOUNGER THAN 30. I mentioned that right here as well. Maybe people thought I was older than I was when I first started posting. I always made the point that I wouldn’t be bulking up much over the age of 30-35.
I wouldn’t expect someone over the age of 30 to see the same benefit especially if it took even longer past that to learn to eat right.
By 30 I had much of that worked out from several years of trial and error.
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:
Like? Many of the people here, who have posted pictures bulked up. Later, they say if they could go back they would gain slowly to keep fat gain at a minimum. Way, Stu, Ebomb, Bug, Austin… to name a few. That does not change the fact that they bulked up. Would having gained slower allowed them to make that progress? Would it have been better? I do not know.
[/quote]
Additionally, some of the better known coaches/lifters like Wendler and Tate (CT? D.John?) who were bigger and now leaner now take the line that they would have stayed leaner if they could do it all over again. It’s one thing to take that line, but the fact remains they were much bigger at some point.
*I am not speaking for those people, just expressing my interpretation of things I’ve seen written by them at some point[/quote]
I’d like to point out that I was nowhere bigger (more muscular) when I weighed more. I never consciously ‘bulked’ (never exceeded 34" pants with a belt), I simply didn’t know how to eat, and figured that as long as I ate every few hours, and trained for strength that I’d magically get huge. It didn’t work.
My muscular size hit its peak after years of slowly, and consciously starting to pay attention to my diet and training, and all after the age of 30.
Will I ever have to turn sideways to walk through a doorway? Of course not, I’m 5’8, with fairly small joints. Saying that I bulked up, and only in hindsight say I would have done it differently just isn’t true though. If I could change anything, looking back, it’s that I wish I didn’t listen to the ‘big’ guys at the gym telling me to ‘lift big and eat big’, and instead focused on actually understanding what was indeed necessary; feeding your body what it needs, when it needs it, and training for hypertrophy.
S[/quote]
Stu - I appreciate that. To be clear my post wasn’t meant to be the ‘end all example’, and in those particular cases, those guy’s goals at the time (as best I can surmise) weren’t strictly “bodybuilding” oriented. CT/DJ - Oly lifting and Tate/Wendler PL’ing. Their builds were built by doing their thangs.
I’m not smart enough or dogmatic enough to say that any one approach is better or worse for anyone.
I take your posts at face value and I believe what you type is true for you (and many others).
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]GrindOverMatter wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]zraw wrote:
see someone talking about how softer is the way to go for optimal gains and no one called him out Y[/quote]
First, who said this?
That isn’t the message here…so if you can’t understand that, why spread false info?
What was actually said is not all people grow optimally at lower body fat percentages…which CT also has written.
please explain in detail the problem you have with this.[/quote]
You also ignored this very conveniently.
care to tell me who is saying this and why you don’t understand what I just wrote here?[/quote]
ct has also written the truth about bullking article-
also,
zraw has been incredibly helpful to me and many others on this site
[/quote]
CT also had a discussion right here with me on that article where he stated that “10%” should not be taken literally.
He is also right here so if the discussion can be kept civil, just ask him for clarity. We have had face to face discussions about this so I already know what he thinks about this.
I am truly glad zraw helped you. Jumping into this thread to laugh at people who DO have the experience isn’t helping though. It is being rather childish when I would think everyone here would have a goal of being better, not acting like someone got really big by accident or by not know at all what they are talking about.[/quote]
fair enough
as far as the bodyfat arguement goes here im getting tired of people arguing the same thing over and over-- the info is out there and people can choose which “path” they wish to take.
[quote]GrindOverMatter wrote:
fair enough
as far as the bodyfat arguement goes here im getting tired of people arguing the same thing over and over-- the info is out there and people can choose which “path” they wish to take.
[/quote]
It may be out there, but with the latest attitude of literally acting like muscular posters here are “crazy” or “delusional” or “just fat” when the truth is we are discussing these issues from experience and education, maybe it needs to be stated again.
Seeing as how this thread has now been read about 30,000 times, they aren’t coming here because they are bored.
The info is out there…AND it is right here…to make sure people stop misrepresenting what is actually being said.
^^^don’t know how you have the patience sometimes, lol.