Because you dropped someone else’s. I returned the favor.
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Hahaha this interaction didn’t take long to get childish. Read the thread man, you dropped Steely’s name before I dropped Stu’s. I returned the favor. I didn’t think it was going to be this big of a deal. I’m sorry.[/quote]
So you focus on that instead of any other point made?
This thread isn’t about Stealy Or Stu…it is about why some people like being really big and really strong even if it isn’t at really lean body fat levels.
[quote]E901 wrote:
If you had to pick one to live with for the rest of your life, would it be the full house look (like the pic PX posted earlier) or lean but much smaller- say around 5’10" 175 pounds 8% bodyfat.[/quote]
5’10", 175 pounds, 8% bodyfat. Although it can’t be definite, at least I’d be in good enough shape to reduce the risk of hyperlipidemia, diabetes, and heart disease. I’d also be in better shape to be able to locomote faster than a walk, run, climb, or swim if need be, pick up some games here and there, and be better able to defend myself if need be. [/quote]
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And the biggest delusion of all is thinking you could defend yourself against one of them as a 175 pound twink.[/quote]
To be fair, 5’9", 170 pounds with under-10% bodyfat (pictured above) wouldn’t necessarily be the wussiest look in the world.
I’m a bit hesitant to weigh in on this topic (ba-dum-bum), but if there’s one thing this thread has demonstrated, it’s that actual bodyfat percentages have precisely zero real world carryover other than serving as arguing points or bragging rights.
Thinking in broader strokes like “sorta lean”, “well-defined”, “smooth but visible abs”, or “manly muffin top but with delt/bi/tri separation” might be a more effective and less confusing way of getting points across, no?
I’m a bit hesitant to weigh in on this topic (ba-dum-bum), but if there’s one thing this thread has demonstrated, it’s that actual bodyfat percentages have precisely zero real world carryover other than serving as arguing points or bragging rights.
Thinking in broader strokes like “sorta lean”, “well-defined”, “smooth but visible abs”, or “manly muffin top but with delt/bi/tri separation” might be a more effective and less confusing way of getting points across, no?[/quote]
I agree with this…and just like in the other thread about “insulin sensitivity”.
There are people who like arguing specific body fat percentages…when the truth is, this is all subjective…and even more true is that if you see a really big muscular guy, the last thing you usually do is try to judge his body fat unless he is so fat you can’t tell how muscular he is.
Professor X: “I gained more than 80 pounds of LBM at 305, so it can obviously be done.”
Why it’s broscience: Professor X has no clue what his bodyfat was at that weight, and instead of having it scientifically measured, relies on an (appeal to authority fallacy) estimate from CT, who only had X’s arms to go on.
X’s position: n=1, appeal to authority are not broscience if it’s me making those arguments.
Topic: Insulin Sensitivity at lower BF
DD, Stronghold: Substantial decrease in fasted blood glucose at lower BF, using scientific measurements.
X’s position: BROSCIENCE BECAUSE I SAID SO. “I DEAL WITH STUDIES DAILY.”
[quote]KvonBabbage wrote:
Does ‘full house’ apply to these fellows:
Jim Wendler
Pisarenko
Chabel
Kolkov?
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Klokov…he and Konstantine Kostanaov (at 275, NOT the 308 version) IMHO have the ideal physique for a man. and i think they are a little leaner than what the consensus “full house” look we are talking about.
I’m certainly never going to argue that everyone has their goals, but I also think that some people can forget how much effect a bit of leanness can have on size. Last year, I was in contest shape in Late June, but then held my weight down quite to ensure that I’d fit into my tux when I got married later that summer. Anyway, here’s a shot I had on my cel phone (a lil’ horseback riding with my girl in Hawaii, wish it were a bit clearer). I would guess I was about 185 lbs in the shots, and while I know Cat’s got some pics on her actual camera where even I was surprised how large I looked, 185 lbs, if it’s actual muscle can look pretty respectable despite the way some people look down on anyone under 2 bills.
I’ve trained in a few gyms with my brother in law, who is a competitive strongman. We’re about the same height (maybe he’s got an inch on me), but while I usually hover around 205-210, he’s easily about 245-250. Now while he is indeed a very ‘large’ individual and it’s hard not to notice, to be honest, in the commercial gyms we’ve been in (not PLing type establishments), I think I can respectably say that I got a hell of a lot more looks than he did. What I don’t think everyone focusing solely on #s realizes is that a guy my size, of actual WNBF Pro level caliber, is going to look a hell of a lot different than your average gym rat with the same height and weight.
(and for the record, I don’t exaggerate when I say that I’m NOT 10% or under here. People seem to be sooooo off on their % guesstiimates IMO)
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
Klokov…he and Konstantine Kostanaov (at 275, NOT the 308 version) IMHO have the ideal physique for a man.[/quote]
I used to always get Klokov, Konstantinovs, and Koklyaev mixed up. If only I were born a Russian with a “K” name…
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
I’m certainly never going to argue that everyone has their goals, but I also think that some people can forget how much effect a bit of leanness can have on size. Last year, I was in contest shape in Late June, but then held my weight down quite to ensure that I’d fit into my tux when I got married later that summer. Anyway, here’s a shot I had on my cel phone (a lil’ horseback riding with my girl in Hawaii, wish it were a bit clearer). I would guess I was about 185 lbs in the shots, and while I know Cat’s got some pics on her actual camera where even I was surprised how large I looked, 185 lbs, if it’s actual muscle can look pretty respectable despite the way some people look down on anyone under 2 bills.
I’ve trained in a few gyms with my brother in law, who is a competitive strongman. We’re about the same height (maybe he’s got an inch on me), but while I usually hover around 205-210, he’s easily about 245-250. Now while he is indeed a very ‘large’ individual and it’s hard not to notice, to be honest, in the commercial gyms we’ve been in (not PLing type establishments), I think I can respectably say that I got a hell of a lot more looks than he did. What I don’t think everyone focusing solely on #s realizes is that a guy my size, of actual WNBF Pro level caliber, is going to look a hell of a lot different than your average gym rat with the same height and weight.
(and for the record, I don’t exaggerate when I say that I’m NOT 10% or under here. People seem to be sooooo off on their % guesstiimates IMO)
