Fry Benches 725 @ 181 - Hoff 755 @ 252

Training Powerlifting
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[quote]bignate wrote:
let me rephrase that: i know gear is still incredibly hard to do that much weight but 20 seems so young but w/e gear is gear im looking forward to raw so maybe in the future ill try it and change my opinion sorry if i offended you all[/quote]

No offense taken here. What the fellows said is correct. you need to learn to use it. I could squat raw about 500, but could only do about 50 more with a suit now. And most of that is that I don’t train enough with it. I have not used wraps for year also.

Personally, the compression of a tight squat suit is unbearable right now and I need more time to learn it if I’m going to compate with the gear.

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haha sorry if im not making sense or pushing past a 315 squat but my years are young and i was plague with not squatting for a year out of my own iggnorance so im proud of how far it is already plus a 275 bench is sexy as well as a 405 deadlift:)

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[quote]bignate wrote:
haha sorry if im not making sense or pushing past a 315 squat but my years are young and i was plague with not squatting for a year out of my own iggnorance so im proud of how far it is already plus a 275 bench is sexy as well as a 405 deadlift:)[/quote]

Punctuation is a lot sexier than a 275 bench. :slight_smile:

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One caveat about gear:

Sam Byrd apparently trains mostly raw. I remember reading that he suited up around 7 times last year and 3-4 of those times were for meets.

A freak is a freak, gear or no gear. Ryan Kennelly would still be pushing an ungodly amount on the bench and Andy Bolton would still be pulling the Earth out of orbit without bench shirts and squat suits.

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Jason is a cool dude, i used to lift in the same gym as him when i lived in Ohio, he even invited me to go down to Westside with him on any saturday that i had free.

It was always worth a good laugh or two when they would start getting ready for a competition and would start breaking in the bench shirts, damn did things look painful to put on and off.

good for him, he works his ass off.

–JB

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one thing i have noticed about hoff and others at westside, is that they are very consistant , what was hoffs last bench in a meet ? 680 if i do recall how does one make a 75 lb PR in 7 months ? but hes been doing that all the way through the sport, good lord the kid squated 1000 when he was 19 i wonder what hes capable of

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[quote]Hanley wrote:
bignate wrote:
beastly but i still think gear shouldnt be used until your older, other wise when u plateau with that what do u do?!!!

Eh… what?

Gear isn’t to get over a plateau. It’s an integral part of the sport. Maybe football players shouldn’t wear pads until they’re pro’s so their body can toughen up?[/quote]

Poetry, beautiful poetry Hanley :slight_smile:

There are so many feds from raw to one-ply to two ply. There’s something for everyone.

When someone is ready for something they are ready for it. So while the kid might be 20 clearly he’s ready.

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[quote]saps wrote:
Hanley wrote:
bignate wrote:
beastly but i still think gear shouldnt be used until your older, other wise when u plateau with that what do u do?!!!

Eh… what?

Gear isn’t to get over a plateau. It’s an integral part of the sport. Maybe football players shouldn’t wear pads until they’re pro’s so their body can toughen up?

Poetry, beautiful poetry Hanley :slight_smile:

There are so many feds from raw to one-ply to two ply. There’s something for everyone.

When someone is ready for something they are ready for it. So while the kid might be 20 clearly he’s ready. [/quote]

I don’t mean any offense with this, but comparing pads in football to gear in PL’ing makes no sense. Pads are an integral part of football, and have always been there. Gear is a choice, and is not required to participate in PL’ing.I could honestly give a shit if someone uses gear or not, but all geared lifts should be marked as such. In any event, the numbers put up this past weekend [equipped or not] are bananas. There are some inhumanly strong people walking around out there, and it’s really cool to hear about/see what the motivated freaks can do.

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And all geared lifts are marked as such. That’s the whole point of there’s something for everything. Whether you want truly raw or unlimited; like you said its a choice. No one choice is better than another; they are merely different.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
saps wrote:
Hanley wrote:
bignate wrote:
beastly but i still think gear shouldnt be used until your older, other wise when u plateau with that what do u do?!!!

Eh… what?

Gear isn’t to get over a plateau. It’s an integral part of the sport. Maybe football players shouldn’t wear pads until they’re pro’s so their body can toughen up?

Poetry, beautiful poetry Hanley :slight_smile:

There are so many feds from raw to one-ply to two ply. There’s something for everyone.

When someone is ready for something they are ready for it. So while the kid might be 20 clearly he’s ready.

I don’t mean any offense with this, but comparing pads in football to gear in PL’ing makes no sense. Pads are an integral part of football, and have always been there. Gear is a choice, and is not required to participate in PL’ing.I could honestly give a shit if someone uses gear or not, but all geared lifts should be marked as such. In any event, the numbers put up this past weekend [equipped or not] are bananas. There are some inhumanly strong people walking around out there, and it’s really cool to hear about/see what the motivated freaks can do.[/quote]

Your comment about pads in football is not completely true. I can’t say for sure if they have always been a part of football, but if you compare the pads of today against the pads of 50 years ago (or more), you’ll see that the pads of today are not integral to the game. You have a point that pads and PL gear may not be a perfect comparison, but it was just an analogy.

Also as for the comment about geared lifts should be marked as such, well they are since they take place within a federation and each federation has its own rules describing the type of gear allowed.

However, we do agree that those lifts are impressive.

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[quote]Ruggerlife wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
saps wrote:
Hanley wrote:
bignate wrote:
beastly but i still think gear shouldnt be used until your older, other wise when u plateau with that what do u do?!!!

Eh… what?

Gear isn’t to get over a plateau. It’s an integral part of the sport. Maybe football players shouldn’t wear pads until they’re pro’s so their body can toughen up?

Poetry, beautiful poetry Hanley :slight_smile:

There are so many feds from raw to one-ply to two ply. There’s something for everyone.

When someone is ready for something they are ready for it. So while the kid might be 20 clearly he’s ready.

I don’t mean any offense with this, but comparing pads in football to gear in PL’ing makes no sense. Pads are an integral part of football, and have always been there. Gear is a choice, and is not required to participate in PL’ing.I could honestly give a shit if someone uses gear or not, but all geared lifts should be marked as such. In any event, the numbers put up this past weekend [equipped or not] are bananas. There are some inhumanly strong people walking around out there, and it’s really cool to hear about/see what the motivated freaks can do.

Your comment about pads in football is not completely true. I can’t say for sure if they have always been a part of football, but if you compare the pads of today against the pads of 50 years ago (or more), you’ll see that the pads of today are not integral to the game. You have a point that pads and PL gear may not be a perfect comparison, but it was just an analogy.

Also as for the comment about geared lifts should be marked as such, well they are since they take place within a federation and each federation has its own rules describing the type of gear allowed.

However, we do agree that those lifts are impressive.
[/quote]

Pads have always been there, they’ve just evolved to be more beneficial to the athlete. Also, most players wear as few pads as possiblt to be faster/quicker.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Ruggerlife wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
saps wrote:
Hanley wrote:
bignate wrote:
beastly but i still think gear shouldnt be used until your older, other wise when u plateau with that what do u do?!!!

Eh… what?

Gear isn’t to get over a plateau. It’s an integral part of the sport. Maybe football players shouldn’t wear pads until they’re pro’s so their body can toughen up?

Poetry, beautiful poetry Hanley :slight_smile:

There are so many feds from raw to one-ply to two ply. There’s something for everyone.

When someone is ready for something they are ready for it. So while the kid might be 20 clearly he’s ready.

I don’t mean any offense with this, but comparing pads in football to gear in PL’ing makes no sense. Pads are an integral part of football, and have always been there. Gear is a choice, and is not required to participate in PL’ing.I could honestly give a shit if someone uses gear or not, but all geared lifts should be marked as such. In any event, the numbers put up this past weekend [equipped or not] are bananas. There are some inhumanly strong people walking around out there, and it’s really cool to hear about/see what the motivated freaks can do.

Your comment about pads in football is not completely true. I can’t say for sure if they have always been a part of football, but if you compare the pads of today against the pads of 50 years ago (or more), you’ll see that the pads of today are not integral to the game. You have a point that pads and PL gear may not be a perfect comparison, but it was just an analogy.

Also as for the comment about geared lifts should be marked as such, well they are since they take place within a federation and each federation has its own rules describing the type of gear allowed.

However, we do agree that those lifts are impressive.

Pads have always been there, they’ve just evolved to be more beneficial to the athlete. Also, most players wear as few pads as possiblt to be faster/quicker.[/quote]

And gear has always (well for the last 30 years) been in powerlifting. We’ve all heard the stories of guys wrapping tennis balls behind their knees and using bed sheets as make shift suits.

It IS an integral part of thus sport, and thus must be used if you want to be competitive at any age (obviously a base of raw strength is needed but I’d say most guys get there in 3 years).

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[quote]Hanley wrote:
And gear has always (well for the last 30 years) been in powerlifting. We’ve all heard the stories of guys wrapping tennis balls behind their knees and using bed sheets as make shift suits.
[/quote]

30 years doesn’t really constitute always. We also know that tennis balls were later banned when makeshift gear was cut back on.

To claim that gear is an integral part of the sport would require a definition of the sport. So the real debate here should be whether or not powerlifting is a test of ones pure unequipped strength or a test of ones strength while using certain equipment, and their ability to use said equipment.

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Do you make the same arguement about using a belt or wrapping knees? A lift is a lift and gear is sanctioned by a federation. A shirt isn’t going to get you phenomenal lifts. Name one other 20 year old who can bench 725 shirt or no shirt. Can you compare deadball era baseball players to todays baseball players? Is Tiger’s game any less impressive than Byron Nelson’s because of the gear? You accept it for what it is and move on.

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i found the video of the 755