[quote]Einzakin wrote:
I’m 5’10ish 165. So does this change whether or not you will listen to what I say?
[/quote]
Yes.
and this
[quote]gregron wrote:
Capped and Plan It… what do you look like?
You’ve been a member for 5 years and seem to have lots to say about the subject so I’m curious to know what you look like/what your stats are? [/quote]
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
[quote]Einzakin wrote:
I’m 5’10ish 165. So does this change whether or not you will listen to what I say?
[/quote]
Yes.
and this
[quote]gregron wrote:
Capped and Plan It… what do you look like?
You’ve been a member for 5 years and seem to have lots to say about the subject so I’m curious to know what you look like/what your stats are? [/quote]
[/quote]
So, if I’m big enough, then a moderate amount of fruit in a persons diet is healthy, but if I’m not big enough, its not? Is that the idea here?
I’m about 5’10 and around 200 pounds. Bodyfat is a bit high (16-17%). Best deadlift so far has been 405, best squat 315 (though that was a while ago), bench is abysmal (I think 225?).
I’ve never gotten my measurements (upper arm, thigh, waist, etc). If its really that important to y’all, I’ll see if I can do that.
Now, can somebody please tell me what this all has to do with if someone training 4 days a week for MMA who “wants to lose a little” should eat a piece or two of fruit a day? If I up my cardio and drop a few pounds, will that “bad” advice suddenly become good? If I bulk for a year and put on muscle, will the value of the advice increase?
I don’t see what’s so hard to comprehend about this:
For those interested in having as much muscle mass as possible, with very little fat (i.e. bodybuilders), then yes, a person who managed to do this in the real world has more valuable advise to give than someone who has little lean mass, or too much fat.
It’s easy to get lean when you’re skinny, it’s easy to be big with a lot of fat.
It’s not easy to be lean AND big.
i cant believe how many dumb motherfuckers there are in this site.
because of every goddamn cunt spewing their colossal ignorance on the bodies ability to process/utilize fruit, body composition in relation of macros, calories, etc… i am now very seriously contemplating eating a bullet instead of this beautiful jazz apple im staring at. so thank you for now making me hate fruit with your pro fruit posts.
if anyone has never tried/accomplished reaching sub 5% bf then do the op, myself and the world a favor and dont post.
nobody gives a fuck what is healthy or not. for anyone who says shit like “we were meant to eat fruit, unicorns eat fruit, etc…” then note the following - people in general are not meant to be in lower bf ranges, it is actually unhealthy to a point as it requires so much restriction and deletion of foods that promote healthy hormonal production, cellular regeneration, sleep, etc…
i must make a note as im sure some moron will say how they know a guy who is shredded from head to toe and eats fruit, pizza and massive quantities of human feces… understand that he is an exception genetically and not the norm.
[quote]gregron wrote:
Capped and Plan It… what do you look like?
You’ve been a member for 5 years and seem to have lots to say about the subject so I’m curious to know what you look like/what your stats are? [/quote]
and
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
I’m about 5’10 and around 200 pounds. Bodyfat is a bit high (16-17%). Best deadlift so far has been 405, best squat 315 (though that was a while ago), bench is abysmal (I think 225?).
I’ve never gotten my measurements (upper arm, thigh, waist, etc). If its really that important to y’all, I’ll see if I can do that.
Now, can somebody please tell me what this all has to do with if someone training 4 days a week for MMA who “wants to lose a little” should eat a piece or two of fruit a day? If I up my cardio and drop a few pounds, will that “bad” advice suddenly become good? If I bulk for a year and put on muscle, will the value of the advice increase?
[/quote]
Bonez and Modok’s points are clear. They’re talking about fruit as it applies to a bodybuilder’s diet. Their posts were originally addressing Oleena’s, not the MMA OP. I ask since the thread has 6 thousand views, I think it’d be helpful to know who the arguments are coming from. Not to diss your stats or physique, but I think if I saw you and Bonez arguing in the gym about this topic as it applies to building a great physique it’d be kind of funny.
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
Capped and Plan It… what do you look like?
You’ve been a member for 5 years and seem to have lots to say about the subject so I’m curious to know what you look like/what your stats are? [/quote]
and
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
I’m about 5’10 and around 200 pounds. Bodyfat is a bit high (16-17%). Best deadlift so far has been 405, best squat 315 (though that was a while ago), bench is abysmal (I think 225?).
I’ve never gotten my measurements (upper arm, thigh, waist, etc). If its really that important to y’all, I’ll see if I can do that.
Now, can somebody please tell me what this all has to do with if someone training 4 days a week for MMA who “wants to lose a little” should eat a piece or two of fruit a day? If I up my cardio and drop a few pounds, will that “bad” advice suddenly become good? If I bulk for a year and put on muscle, will the value of the advice increase?
[/quote]
Bonez and Modok’s points are clear. They’re talking about fruit as it applies to a bodybuilder’s diet. Their posts were originally addressing Oleena’s, not the MMA OP. I ask since the thread has 6 thousand views, I think it’d be helpful to know who the arguments are coming from. Not to diss your stats or physique, but I think if I saw you and Bonez arguing in the gym about this topic as it applies to building a great physique it’d be kind of funny.
[/quote]
why? if I saw bonez say calories in calories out crap that he was saying earlier and my former physiology professor who was 100 pounds soaking wet explaining that Fructose is phosphorylated by fructokinase to fructose-1-phosphate, which is metabolized to the triose phosphates glyceraldehydes and di-hydroxy-acetone phosphate. As fructose is metabolized through this route in the liver, its metabolism bypasses the main rate-limiting step in glycolysis, which is catalyzed by phospho-fructo-kinase. So while glucose metabolism is tightly regulated through the allosteric inhibition of phospho-kinase by citrate and ATP, fructose can continuously and uncontrollably enter the glycolytic/gluconeogenetic pathway resulting in the production of glucose, glycogen, lactate and pyruvate. Pyruvate and lactate are both precursors of the formation of acyl-glycerol molecules, which, can contribute to an increased formation of triglycerides and, subsequently, production of very-low-density lipoproteins…
do you know who i would listen too? Since when does size correlate with smarts?
[quote]relentless2120 wrote:
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
Capped and Plan It… what do you look like?
You’ve been a member for 5 years and seem to have lots to say about the subject so I’m curious to know what you look like/what your stats are? [/quote]
and
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
I’m about 5’10 and around 200 pounds. Bodyfat is a bit high (16-17%). Best deadlift so far has been 405, best squat 315 (though that was a while ago), bench is abysmal (I think 225?).
I’ve never gotten my measurements (upper arm, thigh, waist, etc). If its really that important to y’all, I’ll see if I can do that.
Now, can somebody please tell me what this all has to do with if someone training 4 days a week for MMA who “wants to lose a little” should eat a piece or two of fruit a day? If I up my cardio and drop a few pounds, will that “bad” advice suddenly become good? If I bulk for a year and put on muscle, will the value of the advice increase?
[/quote]
Bonez and Modok’s points are clear. They’re talking about fruit as it applies to a bodybuilder’s diet. Their posts were originally addressing Oleena’s, not the MMA OP. I ask since the thread has 6 thousand views, I think it’d be helpful to know who the arguments are coming from. Not to diss your stats or physique, but I think if I saw you and Bonez arguing in the gym about this topic as it applies to building a great physique it’d be kind of funny.
[/quote]
why? if I saw bonez say calories in calories out crap that he was saying earlier and my former physiology professor who was 100 pounds soaking wet explaining that Fructose is phosphorylated by fructokinase to fructose-1-phosphate, which is metabolized to the triose phosphates glyceraldehydes and di-hydroxy-acetone phosphate. As fructose is metabolized through this route in the liver, its metabolism bypasses the main rate-limiting step in glycolysis, which is catalyzed by phospho-fructo-kinase. So while glucose metabolism is tightly regulated through the allosteric inhibition of phospho-kinase by citrate and ATP, fructose can continuously and uncontrollably enter the glycolytic/gluconeogenetic pathway resulting in the production of glucose, glycogen, lactate and pyruvate. Pyruvate and lactate are both precursors of the formation of acyl-glycerol molecules, which, can contribute to an increased formation of triglycerides and, subsequently, production of very-low-density lipoproteins…
do you know who i would listen too? Since when does size correlate with smarts?
[/quote]
That’s not the point, a good bodybuilder puts into practice sound science AND success in the real world.
A college education can mean crap all if you don’t learn from yourself and others who’ve been “in the trenches”
[quote]relentless2120 wrote:
do you know who i would listen too? Since when does size correlate with smarts?
[/quote]
Experience in achieving the goals I wish to achieve is more important to me than book smarts alone. Read Modok’s earlier posts in this thread.
I work for a college. The computer science professors who teach networking courses are smarter than me. In theory. When it comes to actually installing , maintaining, and troubleshooting a computer network they’re clueless. I blow them away. Same concept.
So yeah, I put a lot of emphasis on actually walking the walk.
[quote]relentless2120 wrote:
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
Capped and Plan It… what do you look like?
You’ve been a member for 5 years and seem to have lots to say about the subject so I’m curious to know what you look like/what your stats are? [/quote]
and
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
I’m about 5’10 and around 200 pounds. Bodyfat is a bit high (16-17%). Best deadlift so far has been 405, best squat 315 (though that was a while ago), bench is abysmal (I think 225?).
I’ve never gotten my measurements (upper arm, thigh, waist, etc). If its really that important to y’all, I’ll see if I can do that.
Now, can somebody please tell me what this all has to do with if someone training 4 days a week for MMA who “wants to lose a little” should eat a piece or two of fruit a day? If I up my cardio and drop a few pounds, will that “bad” advice suddenly become good? If I bulk for a year and put on muscle, will the value of the advice increase?
[/quote]
Bonez and Modok’s points are clear. They’re talking about fruit as it applies to a bodybuilder’s diet. Their posts were originally addressing Oleena’s, not the MMA OP. I ask since the thread has 6 thousand views, I think it’d be helpful to know who the arguments are coming from. Not to diss your stats or physique, but I think if I saw you and Bonez arguing in the gym about this topic as it applies to building a great physique it’d be kind of funny.
[/quote]
why? if I saw bonez say calories in calories out crap that he was saying earlier and my former physiology professor who was 100 pounds soaking wet explaining that Fructose is phosphorylated by fructokinase to fructose-1-phosphate, which is metabolized to the triose phosphates glyceraldehydes and di-hydroxy-acetone phosphate. As fructose is metabolized through this route in the liver, its metabolism bypasses the main rate-limiting step in glycolysis, which is catalyzed by phospho-fructo-kinase. So while glucose metabolism is tightly regulated through the allosteric inhibition of phospho-kinase by citrate and ATP, fructose can continuously and uncontrollably enter the glycolytic/gluconeogenetic pathway resulting in the production of glucose, glycogen, lactate and pyruvate. Pyruvate and lactate are both precursors of the formation of acyl-glycerol molecules, which, can contribute to an increased formation of triglycerides and, subsequently, production of very-low-density lipoproteins…
do you know who i would listen too? Since when does size correlate with smarts?
[/quote]
Do you not realize that what you just said supports what Ive been saying in this thread? That fructose is NOT an ideal carb source for fat loss.
You bastardized whatever argument I made. Its not a debate on cals in/cals out VS fructose/ glucose. Think of physique enhancement this way; like a pyramid (no, not the govt RDA pryamid).
At the base you have total calories. Is the widest part. Its the most important part.
Then you have your macro nutrient ratios. Very important on a personal level but irrelevant if total calories are not correct.
Then you have your food choices. Fructose vs Other carbs falls in this category.
Then you have your supplementation. Least important aspect overall, but once everything else is perfect, proper supplementation will make a difference.
Now the next time you try to toss around big words to make me sound like an idiot, make sure you know what information I was ACTUALLY conveying.
It must suck for you, because not only cant you follow the discussion, leading you to make an irrelevant post. But you also arent big. So I guess absolutely NO ONE will be listening to you.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]relentless2120 wrote:
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
Capped and Plan It… what do you look like?
You’ve been a member for 5 years and seem to have lots to say about the subject so I’m curious to know what you look like/what your stats are? [/quote]
and
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
I’m about 5’10 and around 200 pounds. Bodyfat is a bit high (16-17%). Best deadlift so far has been 405, best squat 315 (though that was a while ago), bench is abysmal (I think 225?).
I’ve never gotten my measurements (upper arm, thigh, waist, etc). If its really that important to y’all, I’ll see if I can do that.
Now, can somebody please tell me what this all has to do with if someone training 4 days a week for MMA who “wants to lose a little” should eat a piece or two of fruit a day? If I up my cardio and drop a few pounds, will that “bad” advice suddenly become good? If I bulk for a year and put on muscle, will the value of the advice increase?
[/quote]
Bonez and Modok’s points are clear. They’re talking about fruit as it applies to a bodybuilder’s diet. Their posts were originally addressing Oleena’s, not the MMA OP. I ask since the thread has 6 thousand views, I think it’d be helpful to know who the arguments are coming from. Not to diss your stats or physique, but I think if I saw you and Bonez arguing in the gym about this topic as it applies to building a great physique it’d be kind of funny.
[/quote]
why? if I saw bonez say calories in calories out crap that he was saying earlier and my former physiology professor who was 100 pounds soaking wet explaining that Fructose is phosphorylated by fructokinase to fructose-1-phosphate, which is metabolized to the triose phosphates glyceraldehydes and di-hydroxy-acetone phosphate. As fructose is metabolized through this route in the liver, its metabolism bypasses the main rate-limiting step in glycolysis, which is catalyzed by phospho-fructo-kinase. So while glucose metabolism is tightly regulated through the allosteric inhibition of phospho-kinase by citrate and ATP, fructose can continuously and uncontrollably enter the glycolytic/gluconeogenetic pathway resulting in the production of glucose, glycogen, lactate and pyruvate. Pyruvate and lactate are both precursors of the formation of acyl-glycerol molecules, which, can contribute to an increased formation of triglycerides and, subsequently, production of very-low-density lipoproteins…
do you know who i would listen too? Since when does size correlate with smarts?
[/quote]
Do you not realize that what you just said supports what Ive been saying in this thread? That fructose is NOT an ideal carb source for fat loss.
You bastardized whatever argument I made. Its not a debate on cals in/cals out VS fructose/ glucose. Think of physique enhancement this way; like a pyramid (no, not the govt RDA pryamid).
At the base you have total calories. Is the widest part. Its the most important part.
Then you have your macro nutrient ratios. Very important on a personal level but irrelevant if total calories are not correct.
Then you have your food choices. Fructose vs Other carbs falls in this category.
Then you have your supplementation. Least important aspect overall, but once everything else is perfect, proper supplementation will make a difference.
Now the next time you try to toss around big words to make me sound like an idiot, make sure you know what information I was ACTUALLY conveying.
It must suck for you, because not only cant you follow the discussion, leading you to make an irrelevant post. But you also arent big. So I guess absolutely NO ONE will be listening to you.
[/quote]
I know the point you were making was that fructose is not an ideal carb source. Look at the first few posts you made in this thread though, then look at the first post modok made in this thread. Who comes across as someone who has knowledge that they’ve applied rather than just someone with a big build? My post wasn’t necessarily about the debate behind fruit as it was about that I wouldn’t just listen to anybody who looked like they knew what they were talking about and disregard anything said by someone who didn’t “look the part”.
As far as my physique is concerned, have you ever seen me post advice on how to get huge on these boards? I take classes and work resulting in lifting being pretty low on my list of priorities meaning I’m lucky if I lift 3 times a week. So do I care if somone might not take what I say seriously because I haven’t “applied it”? No, not really
[quote]relentless2120 wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]relentless2120 wrote:
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
Capped and Plan It… what do you look like?
You’ve been a member for 5 years and seem to have lots to say about the subject so I’m curious to know what you look like/what your stats are? [/quote]
and
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
I’m about 5’10 and around 200 pounds. Bodyfat is a bit high (16-17%). Best deadlift so far has been 405, best squat 315 (though that was a while ago), bench is abysmal (I think 225?).
I’ve never gotten my measurements (upper arm, thigh, waist, etc). If its really that important to y’all, I’ll see if I can do that.
Now, can somebody please tell me what this all has to do with if someone training 4 days a week for MMA who “wants to lose a little” should eat a piece or two of fruit a day? If I up my cardio and drop a few pounds, will that “bad” advice suddenly become good? If I bulk for a year and put on muscle, will the value of the advice increase?
[/quote]
Bonez and Modok’s points are clear. They’re talking about fruit as it applies to a bodybuilder’s diet. Their posts were originally addressing Oleena’s, not the MMA OP. I ask since the thread has 6 thousand views, I think it’d be helpful to know who the arguments are coming from. Not to diss your stats or physique, but I think if I saw you and Bonez arguing in the gym about this topic as it applies to building a great physique it’d be kind of funny.
[/quote]
why? if I saw bonez say calories in calories out crap that he was saying earlier and my former physiology professor who was 100 pounds soaking wet explaining that Fructose is phosphorylated by fructokinase to fructose-1-phosphate, which is metabolized to the triose phosphates glyceraldehydes and di-hydroxy-acetone phosphate. As fructose is metabolized through this route in the liver, its metabolism bypasses the main rate-limiting step in glycolysis, which is catalyzed by phospho-fructo-kinase. So while glucose metabolism is tightly regulated through the allosteric inhibition of phospho-kinase by citrate and ATP, fructose can continuously and uncontrollably enter the glycolytic/gluconeogenetic pathway resulting in the production of glucose, glycogen, lactate and pyruvate. Pyruvate and lactate are both precursors of the formation of acyl-glycerol molecules, which, can contribute to an increased formation of triglycerides and, subsequently, production of very-low-density lipoproteins…
do you know who i would listen too? Since when does size correlate with smarts?
[/quote]
Do you not realize that what you just said supports what Ive been saying in this thread? That fructose is NOT an ideal carb source for fat loss.
You bastardized whatever argument I made. Its not a debate on cals in/cals out VS fructose/ glucose. Think of physique enhancement this way; like a pyramid (no, not the govt RDA pryamid).
At the base you have total calories. Is the widest part. Its the most important part.
Then you have your macro nutrient ratios. Very important on a personal level but irrelevant if total calories are not correct.
Then you have your food choices. Fructose vs Other carbs falls in this category.
Then you have your supplementation. Least important aspect overall, but once everything else is perfect, proper supplementation will make a difference.
Now the next time you try to toss around big words to make me sound like an idiot, make sure you know what information I was ACTUALLY conveying.
It must suck for you, because not only cant you follow the discussion, leading you to make an irrelevant post. But you also arent big. So I guess absolutely NO ONE will be listening to you.
[/quote]
I know the point you were making was that fructose is not an ideal carb source. Look at the first few posts you made in this thread though, then look at the first post modok made in this thread. Who comes across as someone who has knowledge that they’ve applied rather than just someone with a big build? My post wasn’t necessarily about the debate behind fruit as it was about that I wouldn’t just listen to anybody who looked like they knew what they were talking about and disregard anything said by someone who didn’t “look the part”.
As far as my physique is concerned, have you ever seen me post advice on how to get huge on these boards? I take classes and work resulting in lifting being pretty low on my list of priorities meaning I’m lucky if I lift 3 times a week. So do I care if somone might not take what I say seriously because I haven’t “applied it”? No, not really[/quote]
No shit MODOK knows more about the science than I do. Hes a damn pharmacist and Im just a law student who does this a hobby (still lift 5 times a week though…). Are you saying I look the way I do by accident? Or by dumb luck? What?
I dont need to know the biochemical processes involved with the coversion of fructose to fat to know that there are better carb sources than fructose for dropping fat. I know ENOUGH of the science to do this stuff effectively. I dont need to or pretend to know ALL of the science.
Listening to someone who doesnt look the part or who isnt an established trainer is a crap shoot. No one pays for/wants theoretical results. People pay/want REAL results.
Please explain how cals in/cals out is ‘crap’.
[quote]MODOK wrote:
This god damn zombie thread…I thought it was dead on three separate occasions. Someone shoot it in the head, for Christ’s sake.[/quote]
Hahaha. Don’t shoot it just yet…
Could you or Bonez comment on my opinion first.
Yes I know overconsmption of fructose is bad, bla-blah, it is metabolically inferiour to glucose since it doesn’t easily replenish muscle glycogen, etc. etc. However, fruits are nice for an accasional dessert. So my conclusion from everything I read here would be:
Fructose has the potential to influence fat gain by filling up liver glycogen. This allows insulin to appear and store away excess fat (bad) but also push protein into growing muscle (good). Obviously there is also the possibility that the carbs from fruits are used up for energy and not stored at all. This leads me to conclude that timing the intake of fruits is key. And the optimal timings would be a) before a workout - to provide a slower supply of carbs, and b) in the morning along with a whey shake to hopefully put your muscles into a growing state. I’m talking about < 20 grams of net carbs. A bad time would be to take them post workout, especially before bed.
Am I correct about these timings?
P.S. Just to be clear, my goal is to put on muscle with minimal - possibly zero fat gain - what else 
relentless, thanks for the riveting explaination of fructose conversion to fat. You must be super smart, so please enlighten me in my wayward ways of believing that cals in vs cals out was extremely important to all goals related to nutrition…this should be good
[quote]dedokole wrote:
[quote]MODOK wrote:
This god damn zombie thread…I thought it was dead on three separate occasions. Someone shoot it in the head, for Christ’s sake.[/quote]
Hahaha. Don’t shoot it just yet…
Could you or Bonez comment on my opinion first.
Yes I know overconsmption of fructose is bad, bla-blah, it is metabolically inferiour to glucose since it doesn’t easily replenish muscle glycogen, etc. etc. However, fruits are nice for an accasional dessert. So my conclusion from everything I read here would be:
Fructose has the potential to influence fat gain by filling up liver glycogen. This allows insulin to appear and store away excess fat (bad) but also push protein into growing muscle (good). Obviously there is also the possibility that the carbs from fruits are used up for energy and not stored at all. This leads me to conclude that timing the intake of fruits is key. And the optimal timings would be a) before a workout - to provide a slower supply of carbs, and b) in the morning along with a whey shake to hopefully put your muscles into a growing state. I’m talking about < 20 grams of net carbs. A bad time would be to take them post workout, especially before bed.
Am I correct about these timings?
P.S. Just to be clear, my goal is to put on muscle with minimal - possibly zero fat gain - what else
[/quote]
If your trying to put on muscle mass eating a piece of fruit or two per day will have no negative effects at all. Assuming you are eating like most people who come to sites like this eat, i.e. minimal soda, cake, candy etc. I think you get the point.
As far as pre workout goes. Id experiment with it. My body doesnt like it, I get a better pump/energy from oatmeal or cheerios. Morning is a good time IMO. And Im using ‘fruit’ generally. They have their differences.
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
Capped and Plan It… what do you look like?
You’ve been a member for 5 years and seem to have lots to say about the subject so I’m curious to know what you look like/what your stats are? [/quote]
and
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
I’m about 5’10 and around 200 pounds. Bodyfat is a bit high (16-17%). Best deadlift so far has been 405, best squat 315 (though that was a while ago), bench is abysmal (I think 225?).
I’ve never gotten my measurements (upper arm, thigh, waist, etc). If its really that important to y’all, I’ll see if I can do that.
Now, can somebody please tell me what this all has to do with if someone training 4 days a week for MMA who “wants to lose a little” should eat a piece or two of fruit a day? If I up my cardio and drop a few pounds, will that “bad” advice suddenly become good? If I bulk for a year and put on muscle, will the value of the advice increase?
[/quote]
Bonez and Modok’s points are clear. They’re talking about fruit as it applies to a bodybuilder’s diet. Their posts were originally addressing Oleena’s, not the MMA OP. I ask since the thread has 6 thousand views, I think it’d be helpful to know who the arguments are coming from. Not to diss your stats or physique, but I think if I saw you and Bonez arguing in the gym about this topic as it applies to building a great physique it’d be kind of funny.
[/quote]
So the MMA OP asks if he should avoid fruit, and a good way to respond is to talk about fruit as it applies to a bodybuilders precontest diet? I haven’t been arguing about how this applies to bodybuilding.
The thread has been a clusterfuck of misunderstandings.
MODOK,
I don’t want to take away from what Lustig has to present, but is he the guy that Aragorn/McDonald got into a debate with regarding fructose as the main culprit driving obesity rates?
I can’t recall. I think I’ve seen this lecture but I’ll watch it again; it was informative.
Oh hey, I’ve seen this. I remember there was a part where he said fruit isnt bad because it has fiber and other nutrients (“when god gives us a poison, he packages it with the antidote”).
Basically what I’ve been saying the whole thread.
Oh, and he uses the word “nukka” a few times, too.
[quote]MODOK wrote:
This god damn zombie thread…I thought it was dead on three separate occasions. Someone shoot it in the head, for Christ’s sake.[/quote]
Double tap, please.