[quote]Oleena wrote:
[quote]Oregand wrote:
[quote]Oleena wrote:
Here’s something to think about- from an evolutionary perspective people were eating fruits LOONNNGGGGG before they were eating either rice, oatmeal, or potatoes. Wouldn’t it make sense, then, that our bodies are more adapt at handling them? Quite a few fruits are specifically produced by plants to be eaten by other creatures. From a scientific perspective, you’d have to assume that many fruits have evolved to be eaten by animals and animals have developed better strategies for handling them over a longer period of time than many of the other current carb sources.
I think there’s more to the story than “they are just sugar”. It seems very weird to me that after hundreds of thousands of years of consumption, they are now reduced to a slightly elevated desert food.[/quote]
Just to isslustrate bonez’s point. About 2 motnhs ago I tried to bulk and failed miserably. My main simple carb source was fruit and I that’s where most of my extra Kcals came from. I didnt eat any junk or candy but simply went from 1-2 pieces of fruit a day to 7 or 8 daily. I gained a lot of fat.
Now someone with better genetics might have handled it better but it still proves a point. I ate over matinace by about 1000Kcals mostly(700-800) from fruit and gained mostly fat. While its unlikly to happen with most people its still a possible outcome and thats what Bonez was saying.
You shouldnt dismiss a possibility until you have tried it.
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Interesting. What was the rest of your diet like and how were you training? Have you successfully bulked before? Did you time the fruits at all? Did you eat the same ones every day and if so what were they (I’m currently giving you the benefit of the doubt that you didn’t eat bananas all day long or something like that) I definitely agree that you shouldn’t dismiss it until you try it; that’s exactly what I was saying. I’m glad you put your experience up here; so far we haven’t had anything other than “I think this”. Good to see some actual experimenting around with it. I based what I said off of the fact that I do eat a disproportionate amount of fruit compared with what’s being said on here and my system seems to handle it better than rice and oatmeal.
As for fruit intolerance, I’m researching it right now, and can’t find anything that indicates it’s anywhere as high as 30-40% and secondly, am finding that it greatly depends on the type of fruit (for instance, there’s far more sensitivity to apples than grapes in some, which makes sense as apples have tree toxins in them). It is considered a birth defect caused by a recessive gene. Food allergies in general, are what apparently are around up to 33% of the population, not specifically fruit allergies, but that may be an over-estimation. Also, it’s important to note that quite a few people display vegetable and nut sensitivies (I personally can’t eat nuts at all).
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=fructose+intolerance&btnG=Search&as_sdt=0%2C48&as_ylo=&as_vis=0
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=fruit+intolerance&btnG=Search&as_sdt=0%2C48&as_ylo=&as_vis=0[/quote]
The rest of the diet was a pretty standard diet. I kept it clean, no pizzas or hamburgers etc. I also tended to keep other carb sources like potato’s and oatmeal to a minimum. The Macro’s broke down to about 40/30/30 P/F/C, pretty standard stuff.
My training was pretty much a joke. I was doing a 6 day bodypart split. An hour a day on weights and my cardio was 3 days weekly, 20 - 25 mins of treadmill or something. On top of that I was also cycling 45 mins to and from collage.
Bananas? BUT BRAH! dont you know, you gotta be inhaling like a tree at a time to see any progress! On a serious note, I ate the same ones almost every day. My meals where split into two P+C’s(breakfast and PWO). So firts thing in the morning I would usually have three apples(one in my oatmeal and two raw), then after my workout I would usually eat another 3 - 4 apples. The only time this really differed when was I didnt have any apples in the house on that morning and I would use peaches or kiwi’s instead but that wasn’t a regular thing.
If you can handle fruit then sweet, I can handle 2 pieces a day at the very most. Otherwise it tends to spill over onto my gut. I have not encountered anyone allergic too fruit though so thats a new one for me. I will say though I do have a nut intolerance, my system cannot handle them at all.
Bottom line, if you eat 100 grams of carbs daily 30 should come from fruit at most and the rest should be from complex carbs. Fruit is far from evil and is defiantly one of the best PWO options around but there also has to be some common sense. An apple = good, a bag of 12 apples = bad(Ive eaten that much in a sitting before:)).