Fruits...Eat Them or Not??

Diet and Nutrition
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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]Oleena wrote:
I’ve never seen someone get fat or gain weight off of eating fruit…[/quote]

Ignorant.

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Actually, not at all. She said she’s never seen it, not that it’s impossible.

Where did she say “I’ve seen someone eat only fruit and they did not get fat”?

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Second, there is no way you can isolate a single food item as a cause of obesity. Which also means you can single out a single food item as NOT CONTRIBUTING to obesity.

Horrible rationale [/quote]

Actually, you can isolate “single food items” as contributing to obesity. Sugar and trans fats contribute to obesity, cauliflower does not. No one food item CAUSES obesity on its own, sure.

Also, where exactly did she say that fruit cannot contribute to obesity? She said she’s never seen a case where eating fruit caused obesity.

Learn to read brah.[/quote]

Fruit is 100% sugar, brah.

You can take what she said literally, if youd like. Ill read into the implications all day long.

If she meant that last line you quoted literally, than she straight up lied. PLenty of obese people eat fruit. Im not going further with this, it was a dumbass post. End of story.

Calories in vs calories out. But go right ahead and attempt to expose some logical fallacy. It’ll just be you wasting your own time.

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And I used ‘caused’ and ‘contributed’. I wouldnt have written two completely different words if I didnt intend to.

learn to read brah.

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You can eat all the fruit you want, especially when you’re training this much. You’re never going to eat too much fruits or veggies.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]Oleena wrote:
I’ve never seen someone get fat or gain weight off of eating fruit…[/quote]

Ignorant.

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Actually, not at all. She said she’s never seen it, not that it’s impossible.

Where did she say “I’ve seen someone eat only fruit and they did not get fat”?

lol

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I struggle with this myself, A LOT…To eat fruit, or not to eat fruit? I don’t think the question is whether fruit is “bad” for you, because I’m pretty sure we can all agree that in moderation, fruit is healthy and valuable for the amount of micronutrients and fiber it can provide in the diet. BUT we can find almost, if not all of these nutritional benefits in vegetables.

Now, I think the question the OP is asking: Is fruit “ok” can be answered with a resounding yes…

…If; however, we ask this question: Will fruit keep me from gradually losing bodyfat as I train for my physique goals of becoming more muscular AND leaner?

I think we seriously need to consider the fact that fruit is basically pure sugar with fiber added. So, yeah I do have some fruit in the morning and occasionally as a sweet treat during the day, but when eating the fruit I do not pretend that it is anything other than what it is: “nature’s candy” if you will…So in moderation, ya it is fine for maintaining current levels of leanness. In a perfect world I would eat spinach or other vegetables in place of the fruit, but honestly I don’t feel like throwing a big ole load of spinach in my oatmeal first thing in the AM.

Eat fruit if you like it, but don’t be tricked into thinking it is a magical fat burning food. Now I am pretty sure that some fruits are more optimal than others and that something like a grapefruit, for example, has a smaller glycemic load than grapes. So if you are concerned with the effects of fruit on your insulin response, I would look up the glycemic loads of certain fruits to determine which you should avoid and which you should consume more frequently.

To wrap up, personally, I have never found it hard to maintain my bodyfat while eating a lot of fruit, but I have seen fruit hinder my ability to lose fat and have noticed that cutting down the amount of fruit I eat decreases my sugar cravings in general and encourages me to eat more protein and vegetables when I don’t consider fruit to be a food item I can freely consume.

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fruit is the shit, I just limit my intake to a serving or two a day. Usually I just have fruit in the morning, sticking to berries, pears, peaches, or an apple.

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Eat them!

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Fruits are a treat to me…kind of like my candy. I eat them 2-3 times a week. It’s important to realize that not all fruits are created equal from a nutritional standpoint. An apple a day is alot different than a bag of dried mangos or dates per day. Just do a quick google search and you’ll see what kinds are the most nutrient dense and which ones are laden with sugar.

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Certain fruits I eat simply for enjoyment and flavor and refreshment

Other fruits – ie. potassium-heavy stuff like kiwis and bananas and avocado – get consumed out of necessity on training days, esp leg days

edit - actually kiwis fall under both categories, for me

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[quote]jskrabac wrote:
Fruits are a treat to me…kind of like my candy. I eat them 2-3 times a week. It’s important to realize that not all fruits are created equal from a nutritional standpoint. An apple a day is alot different than a bag of dried mangos or dates per day. Just do a quick google search and you’ll see what kinds are the most nutrient dense and which ones are laden with sugar. [/quote]

X2

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Thank god for Bonez. God this was turning retarded.

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Whole fruit is good stuff. Fiber, vitamins, water, and yes, sugar.

Fruit juice and dried fruit can both be bad news, though, and should probably be avoided by most folks. You lose the fiber, and the water, maybe a couple of vitamins, and they’re really easy to consume in excess.

[quote]Oleena wrote:
I dare one person on here to eat as much fruit as they possibly can without any other simple carb sources and see if they gain any fat.[/quote]

I really should try this some time as a dare. If it was something easy to eat (bananas, berries), I’m pretty sure I could win. Apples and grapefruit would slow me down a little.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]Oleena wrote:
I’ve never seen someone get fat or gain weight off of eating fruit…[/quote]

Ignorant.

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Actually, not at all. She said she’s never seen it, not that it’s impossible.

Where did she say “I’ve seen someone eat only fruit and they did not get fat”?

Fruit ain’t got fiber n micronutrients n shit, nukka? Word.

You’re comparing two statements only somewhat related to each other. Apples and oranges (zing!).

“Obese people eat fruit, therefore eating fruit may contribute to obesity.” is one thing. Even within this statement you’d have to be able to prove that the fruit they eat is a significant factor in their obesity.

“I’ve never seen a person become obese from eating fruit” is another statement entirely (and much more in line with what she said).

Tell me why, then, that two people could eat the exact same number of calories, yet have entirely different physiques?

I’ll give you a clue: yes, its calories in vs calories out, but “calories out” can mean burned or stored.

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The hard core “Its just calories in vs calories out!” folks somehow manage to still miss the fact that certain foods are handled in different ways by the body.

More and more articles keep popping up saying that fructose is metabolized in the liver and preferentially stored there (or converted to fat), while glucose is preferentially stored in the muscles (before being converted to fat as well).

This means eating 300 grams of fructose will lead to more fat gain than 300 grams of glucose… even though its the same number of calories.

Or compare omega 3s with trans fats. Same number of grams, same number of calories, entirely different effects.

Then factor in effects of hormones on the body, both related to food (insulin, leptin) and unrelated to food (cortisol, etc).

There are a lot of factors involved in health and weight loss - simply doing a calulation for your BMR based on height/weight/LBM and “eating less calories” is far from the optimal way to go about it.

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[quote]D Public wrote:
actually best carb source is french fries

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McDonalds!!! YUMMY

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Love me some berries.

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What I meant was, I’ve never seen fruit be the reason why someone became obese. My dad, for instance, is very obese and diabetic and if you gauged this off of what he eats in my presence you’d swear fruits were definitely a reason. However, around my brother he’s been known to regularly down 32oz icecream coffee shakes, and super-sized fast food (and this is after he found out he was diabetic… :confused: )

My challenge to try to gain weight off of fruits should be taken like this:

  1. Whole fruit only. None of that dried or juiced shit.
  2. You can’t eat the same type all the time.
  3. You can only put up to four of them in shake form per day.

Good luck. I really wish someone would try this.

FWIW I used to eat whole flats of strawberries, half a tree’s worth of Asian Pears, and god knows how many plumbs and blackberries per day as a kid/teenager and the only time I noticed differences in weight was when I ate chips, fast food, and pasta. Fruits aren’t that calorically dense for their size compared with other carb sources.

Whole fruit just isn’t on my radar of shit you need to worry about eating.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]Oleena wrote:
I’ve never seen someone get fat or gain weight off of eating fruit…[/quote]

Ignorant.

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Actually, not at all. She said she’s never seen it, not that it’s impossible.

Where did she say “I’ve seen someone eat only fruit and they did not get fat”?

Sweet. Disagreement.

I have a great idea about how to SERIOUSLY solve this disagreement; an idea that would put an end to this thread, and provide entertainment for all, but first: what would you consider to be a better carb source than fruit?

Also, would you be willing to prove it?

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Oatmeal, rice, potatoes, quinoa, buckwheat, maltodextrin, dextrose. All more useful for physique/performance enhancement. And green vegetables, but I think at this point that’s a given.

Fruit is dessert.

And I absolutely will not be willing to do a retarded experiement like eating only fruit for whatever amount of time.

You keep saying that fruit is not the culprit. Obviously there are mutliple foods to blame for why people are obese. But the biggest problem is calories in vs calories out. If someone has a caloric maintenance level of 2200 calories and eats 3000 caloires of pure sugar (fruit) they will get fat, at some point. Its absurd that this needs to be typed out and even more embarassing that you have some sort of science background (I believe, but may be wrong).

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]Oleena wrote:
I’ve never seen someone get fat or gain weight off of eating fruit…[/quote]

Ignorant.

[/quote]

Actually, not at all. She said she’s never seen it, not that it’s impossible.

Where did she say “I’ve seen someone eat only fruit and they did not get fat”?

Fruit ain’t got fiber n micronutrients n shit, nukka? Word.

You’re comparing two statements only somewhat related to each other. Apples and oranges (zing!).

“Obese people eat fruit, therefore eating fruit may contribute to obesity.” is one thing. Even within this statement you’d have to be able to prove that the fruit they eat is a significant factor in their obesity.

“I’ve never seen a person become obese from eating fruit” is another statement entirely (and much more in line with what she said).

Tell me why, then, that two people could eat the exact same number of calories, yet have entirely different physiques?

I’ll give you a clue: yes, its calories in vs calories out, but “calories out” can mean burned or stored. [/quote]

Genetics. Some people will get fat from eating 1000 calories above maintenance of only fruit.

This is really stupid at this point.

At least use twins in your example of two people eating the same number of calories. This cant be for real.