I didn’t know whining and crying could be done with such big words…
[edited because my typing sucks]
dON1EISEL,
We are just having fun with you.Be a sport and have fun too.You don’t have to take up the cause of defending the “Greek Comunity” or yourself. Try submitting somethin funny, like a name that you would like to see people use instead of Frat Curls. This is not a personal rip so bear that in mind. You may be real booksmart, but you need to learn how to have fun.Checking my grammar sucks, so I quit doing that years ago.So should you.MLA citations also Suck, so I did those only to get past Eng.102.
The next submission I see from you better be funny or I’m gonna just write you off!(pun intended)
[quote]dond1esel wrote:
Rainjack,
This is a damn shame. I have read many of your posts. I had a high level of respect for you. Even when your views weren’t amenable to others you kept a modicum of civility. Now this.
I have the option of retaliating, of showing the world that it is I who am actually better than you. You wouldn’t be ‘hating’ if I didn’t have the rhetorical wherewithal to do it. But I don’t have any interest in that. I don’t have any interest because, before you came along, this was an entertaining thread of alternatives to offending people who don’t need to be offended. I had said my piece, fences had been mended and people were having fun.
All you have accomplished is an insipid and profane personal attack that disrupted what had become a discussion of positive values. You made several repugnantly false assumptions about me and fraternity men in general. Hoosierdaddy touched on the invalidity of those views, so I needn’t rephrase here. You’re wrong about me, of course. Moreover, I apologized more than once on this thread for coming off preachy, yet you still took churlish exception.
You have succeeded in emphatically communicating your spite towards fraternities and youth, in me and in general. I think it’s clear that it was best kept to yourself. If you want to say ‘frat curl’ for reasons like that, then you, not I, will be the one reflected upon poorly.
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I used you personally in my example, but only to the extent that you stepped up and made yourself the poster boy for the ‘college-smart’ crowd.
If I insulted you personally, I apologize. My point was that college kids are ignorant as a population. Oh you can use really long words, and you might even know what most of them mean, but that does not make you smart.
Before you college kids launch your counter attack - finish reading this post.
I was a college kid once - well really twice , but that’s another story. I thought my shit didn’t stink, and because of the sheepskin I got one morning in May, I thought I was the smartest thing to hit the Beef Industry Since Charles Goodnight. I was one of you and proud of it.
About 3 days into a real job, I soon realized I KNEW absolutely nothing. Oh I a shitload of book learnin’, but I knew nothing.
Don’t take what I said personally - when you get out of school and enter the real world you’ll soon see that you weren’t nearly as educated as you fashioned yourself to be.
The whole ‘brotherhood’ thing is symbolic of the mistaken hubris that is so pervasive in colleges. There is nothing wrong with it - as it is probably unavoidable.
HAHAHA “Frat Curls”…truly priceless…
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Don’t take what I said personally - when you get out of school and enter the real world you’ll soon see that you weren’t nearly as educated as you fashioned yourself to be.
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real world eh? full time school, full/parttime job to make the previous possible. loans to boot and no promises of a job when youre out. i dont fuck around so ill be good when im out but not so many are as driven. financially cutting it so close that you dont know if you can afford the next semester or not. i would like to personally welcome you to my very real “real world.” dont mean to be hostile but few things irritate me and this is one of them. all just for a piece of paper. suddenly certificate forgery seems so apealing.
OK.
'effer: No worries. I like ‘Nancy curls’.
rainjack: First, no one is discounting real-life experience. I spend my spring semesters looking for internships for that specific purpose. Second, wouldn’t it be weird if college students (fraternity or not) weren’t full of the hubris of unspoiled idealism?
vroom: Another respected poster dissing me. Damn. If this, too, is a whine, so be it. Let it be the most exquisitely penned whine in all the endless annals of T-Nation discourse. Let the scions of our hallowed heritage gather before the mossy plaque that will venerate my simpering outcry, and beat their breasts in the synesthetic unison of the grandest pathos to be heard for years to come!
HAHAHAHAHAHA…The joke’s on anyone who just read that. It’s fugly. Utter crap.
That, Knight, is snotty writing with too many SAT words. Everything else is just, you know, correct. It even has some fans. It might be dense, and it might even be too averse to colloquisms, but we’re all adults here and we know how to read. I’m not going to change; I guess it’s convenient that my detractors all go after the same thing.
All quiet on the western front?
My suggested terms:
Abercrombie curls
Ignoramus curls
Contraceptive curls (doing only sissy curls in the squat rack gives you a shitty physique and keeps you from getting laid, so no babies. Has the added bonus of sounding kinda like concentric. My personal favorite.)
dond,
You are swimming upstream man. You are welcome to it, but surely there are better causes to adhere to than the poor downtrodden frats? I’m also not sure I’m respected at all… anyhow, pay your dues and you’ll belong, frat or not, consider it another right of passage.
viz,
I hear you on the brokitude. That is one form of real life, that is for sure, but Rainjack does have a point about book knowledge only showing a potential employer that you have the ability to learn – not that you are actually capable or useful when you finish with that education.
This is not an insult to anyone involved in getting a higher education, it is simply the way the world works. Don’t hate the messengers.
Dammit vroom! I was gonna heckle d1esel here for calling you a “respected poster”, but you beat me to it! Aaaarrrgg!! 
hoosierdaddy
You mean you “COULDN’T CARE LESS”. To say that you “could care less” shows some degree of caring.
[quote]vizunaldth wrote:
real world eh? full time school, full/parttime job to make the previous possible. loans to boot and no promises of a job when youre out. i dont fuck around so ill be good when im out but not so many are as driven. financially cutting it so close that you dont know if you can afford the next semester or not. i would like to personally welcome you to my very real “real world.” dont mean to be hostile but few things irritate me and this is one of them. all just for a piece of paper. suddenly certificate forgery seems so apealing.[/quote]
I’m not discounting your desire to better yourself. But there is a HUGE difference between a part-time job, or a summer internship, and doing it for real. I got a B.S. in Animal Science - and when I got to a real job - reality slapped me in the face.
Fast forward 6 years - I’m working full-time with a wife and 2 kids going to grad school full-time. When I walked across that stage - I was slapped in the face again. It happens.
You’re so sure you know ‘everything’ coming out of college, but you know nothing. It’s not a slam, or me trying to put you in your place. It happens to just about everyone.
When you’ve earned your stripes, and are a crusty old fart like me, you too will look at the college kids and laugh. Because you’ve been there and done that - and because you know that those kids don’t know shit.
We ARE adults, and adults don’t have time to penetrate that crap. And they won’t.
Clarity. Clarity. Clarity. Jesus Christ man, CLARITY.
Perhaps if I say it a dozen times it’ll sink in. This is a pet peeve of mine because verbose writing is such a copout. It smacks of poor forethought. You haven’t taken the time to elegantly phrase an argument, so you cover with verbal diarrhea.
Have you noticed I haven’t even mentioned the fraternity nonsense? Whatever point you had, it’s completely lost in the writing.
DI
[quote]rainjack wrote:
vizunaldth wrote:
real world eh? full time school, full/parttime job to make the previous possible. loans to boot and no promises of a job when youre out. i dont fuck around so ill be good when im out but not so many are as driven. financially cutting it so close that you dont know if you can afford the next semester or not. i would like to personally welcome you to my very real “real world.” dont mean to be hostile but few things irritate me and this is one of them. all just for a piece of paper. suddenly certificate forgery seems so apealing.
I’m not discounting your desire to better yourself. But there is a HUGE difference between a part-time job, or a summer internship, and doing it for real. I got a B.S. in Animal Science - and when I got to a real job - reality slapped me in the face.
Fast forward 6 years - I’m working full-time with a wife and 2 kids going to grad school full-time. When I walked across that stage - I was slapped in the face again. It happens.
You’re so sure you know ‘everything’ coming out of college, but you know nothing. It’s not a slam, or me trying to put you in your place. It happens to just about everyone.
When you’ve earned your stripes, and are a crusty old fart like me, you too will look at the college kids and laugh. Because you’ve been there and done that - and because you know that those kids don’t know shit.
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see that’s just it. I know my shit stinks. I know that I know nothing about the “real world”, about paying bills, handling a family, all of that. I know that I am still naive to those concepts, but not ignorant to them. I know im simply going to be written off as being a whiny college brat, but damnit I’m ok with admitting that I don’t know shit about shit, I just wish that you didnt group with along with those dumb asses that think because they can cite Locke that they are set for life. Ive had a bit to drink tonight, i should probably get some sleep, but i just want to say before i crash, you are more reasonable then I thought.
Five dollars? Get out of here…(simpsons reference)
Wow. I admit it, I didn’t have an exit strategy.
Gee whiz. I heard one derogatory fraternity reference too many and wrote up some posts on why those are bad. (They are.) This is not the most important thing I am doing with my time. This is not my idea of the most unjust thing in the world today. I apologize (one more time) if it sounded that way to you.
Some people agreed and some didn’t. Some people embraced a malicious intent for using those terms, others said they were just joking. Some people were willing to give up the term ‘frat curl’ in favor of another, others weren’t. This was all natural.
And along the way, several ancillary arguments cropped up. There seems to be one running now about the legitimacy of the opinions of college students. I made all the commentary that I wanted to on that. But I can see how that will interest people more in the long run.
Of course, my personal favorite out of all the arguments that have nothing to do with whether or not people should say ‘frat curl’ (they shouldn’t) is the ongoing referendum on whether I can make myself understood through writing or not. Of course, everyone who speaks ill of my writing never lays claim to doing a better job themselves, nor gives a sample longer than the 1-to-3 sentence indictment of my style. Anyone who does that is whining as hard or harder than I apparently am.
I hope that clears the air a bit.
Jeebus. I quoted Bourdieu, not Locke. And it was all in good fun. I don’t even go to a liberal arts college. I agree that I don’t know anything about all of the same things you just said you don’t know about. Let’s not be rash.
[quote]KnightRT wrote:
Perhaps if I say it a dozen times it’ll sink in. This is a pet peeve of mine because verbose writing is such a copout. It smacks of poor forethought. You haven’t taken the time to elegantly phrase an argument, so you cover with verbal diarrhea.
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Do you teach humanities? If not, go away! Even if you do, you should recognize that a lot of your colleagues see crappy writing every day, and what I write isn’t among that work (in their eyes).
Here’s why. Everything I post is organized cogently and uses the fewest words possible to get across the most granular and precise meaning. That’s why instead of rebuttals to the substance of my arguments, I mostly get the bleating of “kids who can’t read good” (Stiller, 2002), among other tripe. Reread sentences until the placement of the dependent clauses makes sense to you, or find something else on this website to read; there’s certainly enough content.
P.S. Just joshing you guys with the Zoolander citation.
dond1esel
I take back my comment about your verbose responses.
I should not have tried to score a cheap shot with a dig about something unrelated to the argument.
I have no clue about fraternities as I am from England. Frat Parties turns up weird things in Google though!
You seemed overly defensive, you explained yourself. Like Proteinpowda you may have turned this thread around.
I for one would like to say “keep writing”. It is nice to read posts that allow me to appreciate the style of language used.
At least with your style we don’t have to listen to the “fuck you!”, “yeah, well fuck you!” style arguments that become so boring.
Apology over.
Jaime
p.s. Crombie Curls is good.
d1esel:
This thread’s still going because it’s just fun to pick on ya a little.
“Now understand that there’s nothing wrong when I expound my verbiage to an exceedingly sophist and mentationally challenging extent. All y’all who find malfeasance or pusillanimous motivation behind my excessively egregious usage of profoundly archaic and even somewhat intolerable linguistic masturbation can kiss my grits.”
Hey! I can sound like a college guy too! hehe
lotharioooooooo!
Now in my day, I’ve seen a few smart-assed parodies of my writing, and this one is pretty good. But let it be known that the only linguistic masturbation of which I ever partake comes from the mouth of an appropriately comely female partner.
Proteinpowda must be enjoying his vacation.
But can I get any love for contraceptive curls?
P.S. Jamieo, apology accepted.