I love your work, Frank. If you don’t mind me asking, how old are you?
[quote]yvanehtnioj wrote:
I love your work, Frank. If you don’t mind me asking, how old are you?[/quote]
27 but i act 18 because i keep convincing myself that I will live so long that it’s fine to be immature until i’m 31, thus pushing everything back by a decade
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]digitalairair wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]digitalairair wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
Hey Frank, you are looking good and as entertaining as always. I’m always happy to see you’ve posted a new thread.
Also happy to hear it looks like you won’t be spending any time in jail for your stunt, err, living art installation. Please take care of yourself. Life is fun and every day is a gift, unless that life happens to be inside a Chinese prison.
If the only thing keeping you from bulking up further is a worry about your insulin levels, then please stop worrying about them. There is a pretty big difference between a planned, executed bulk and just becoming a sloppy, sedentary fatass with type 2 diabetes. If what you are doing is working for you and you are happy with it, keep going. If you want to lean out and see where you’re at, do that. I have found that the longer I stay at a higher weight, the better “quality” of muscle I seem to have. That’s a weird way to put it, but I have been the same weight for a long time now, yet I continue to make changes toward an ever better physique, am far more dense than I used to be, much leaner year round (always have visible abs now), and I can eat sloppier while maintaining and even continuing to improve my physique. And my blood work always comes back looking great. Granted, I am assisted, but I don’t think the underlying principles are so different.
In any case, I’m positive that if I’d decided to lean out every time I got a little bigger than I ever had, I would not be nearly so far along as I am now. Patience and perseverance win this game.
Oh yeah, and jaw harp is the hardest instrument, you bunch of pussies. [/quote]
Great post. Agree 100%.
Most of the people talking about insulin levels don’t seem to be basing their comments on actual science anyway.
I would like for one person to prove that insulin levels are somehow driven into the negative as a direct reaction to body fat levels in everyone no matter how fat they are or their activity level or age.[/quote]
This is great ! thanks i will keep bulking, but slower and cleaner now that my bodyfat percentage is at an all time high as well! 205 - 210 and ill report back and a new thread for cutting[/quote]
Drop carbs and work on shorter rest between sets (minor conditioning). Evaluate after about two weeks.
You have already made more progress than most of the people here “loling” at people who got bigger than them.[/quote]
Thanks X. I heard some lifters talking about “reverse” dieting where they basically try to slowly reverse the process from bulk to cut…meaning that I probably need to cut as long as I bulk, with carbs in the beginning and very slowly dropping them as time goes by, with more cardio. Does this sound like a good plan to you ?
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That’s what I did. I was working on size for a long time after I got out the military and held my heaviest weight for about two years. I also held my lightest weight for about a year after dropping.
Much of this just comes down to learning your own body…which takes time. My body holds a leaner condition now without much effort or attention to diet. Most of that is because it took so many calories for me to put on that much weight in the first place. I can’t eat like that “by accident”. It takes true effort to eat every 3-4 hours on the dot for several years without fail.
I don’t need to eat that often to maintain my size now.[/quote]
I guess the talks about staying at a high weight for a long time will mess up your system and make you harder to cut and easier to get fat in the future shouldn’t be on the top of my things to worry about list then?
[quote]digitalairair wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]digitalairair wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]digitalairair wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
Hey Frank, you are looking good and as entertaining as always. I’m always happy to see you’ve posted a new thread.
Also happy to hear it looks like you won’t be spending any time in jail for your stunt, err, living art installation. Please take care of yourself. Life is fun and every day is a gift, unless that life happens to be inside a Chinese prison.
If the only thing keeping you from bulking up further is a worry about your insulin levels, then please stop worrying about them. There is a pretty big difference between a planned, executed bulk and just becoming a sloppy, sedentary fatass with type 2 diabetes. If what you are doing is working for you and you are happy with it, keep going. If you want to lean out and see where you’re at, do that. I have found that the longer I stay at a higher weight, the better “quality” of muscle I seem to have. That’s a weird way to put it, but I have been the same weight for a long time now, yet I continue to make changes toward an ever better physique, am far more dense than I used to be, much leaner year round (always have visible abs now), and I can eat sloppier while maintaining and even continuing to improve my physique. And my blood work always comes back looking great. Granted, I am assisted, but I don’t think the underlying principles are so different.
In any case, I’m positive that if I’d decided to lean out every time I got a little bigger than I ever had, I would not be nearly so far along as I am now. Patience and perseverance win this game.
Oh yeah, and jaw harp is the hardest instrument, you bunch of pussies. [/quote]
Great post. Agree 100%.
Most of the people talking about insulin levels don’t seem to be basing their comments on actual science anyway.
I would like for one person to prove that insulin levels are somehow driven into the negative as a direct reaction to body fat levels in everyone no matter how fat they are or their activity level or age.[/quote]
This is great ! thanks i will keep bulking, but slower and cleaner now that my bodyfat percentage is at an all time high as well! 205 - 210 and ill report back and a new thread for cutting[/quote]
Drop carbs and work on shorter rest between sets (minor conditioning). Evaluate after about two weeks.
You have already made more progress than most of the people here “loling” at people who got bigger than them.[/quote]
Thanks X. I heard some lifters talking about “reverse” dieting where they basically try to slowly reverse the process from bulk to cut…meaning that I probably need to cut as long as I bulk, with carbs in the beginning and very slowly dropping them as time goes by, with more cardio. Does this sound like a good plan to you ?
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That’s what I did. I was working on size for a long time after I got out the military and held my heaviest weight for about two years. I also held my lightest weight for about a year after dropping.
Much of this just comes down to learning your own body…which takes time. My body holds a leaner condition now without much effort or attention to diet. Most of that is because it took so many calories for me to put on that much weight in the first place. I can’t eat like that “by accident”. It takes true effort to eat every 3-4 hours on the dot for several years without fail.
I don’t need to eat that often to maintain my size now.[/quote]
I guess the talks about staying at a high weight for a long time will mess up your system and make you harder to cut and easier to get fat in the future shouldn’t be on the top of my things to worry about list then?
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Don’t do it dood you’ll die!
[quote]digitalairair wrote:
[quote]yvanehtnioj wrote:
I love your work, Frank. If you don’t mind me asking, how old are you?[/quote]
27 but i act 18 because i keep convincing myself that I will live so long that it’s fine to be immature until i’m 31, thus pushing everything back by a decade[/quote]
Fuck, I would never of been able to tell you were 27 and I mean that in a good way!
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]digitalairair wrote:
I guess the talks about staying at a high weight for a long time will mess up your system and make you harder to cut and easier to get fat in the future shouldn’t be on the top of my things to worry about list then?
[/quote]
Don’t do it dood you’ll die!
[/quote]
And catch herpes.
Here is what you do have to worry about:
-bulking up over 20% body fat over the age of 35. The more muscle you carry, the less of a concern that is but most people slow down with age and that shit isn’t going anywhere without changing your conditioning.
-Actually getting really really fat and ignoring it. I did that. It isn’t a problem, it was just unnecessary. I did it to see if there was a benefit. I definitely think there is to bulking up in general but me hitting 300lbs was more about seeing if I could do it and have most of it be muscle than anything else.
Your body is adaptive. When I first started trying to gain size, I couldn’t even eat breakfast without feeling like I would throw up. Fast forward ten years and at my heaviest, I know I was killing in excess of 8,000cals a day and was doing it easily. The average person eating like I was would have been morbidly obese. I was just testing what my body could handle. It isn’t a recommendation, I am just letting you know why I did some of the things I did and the outcome.
Bottom line, based on what I’ve experienced, start cleaning up your diet once you really get smooth. Start with the carbs and start focusing on increasing lean protein sources without going overboard. If your goal is to actually reach near your actual potential in your lifetime and stress it, hold that heavier weight (assuming you are a huge fucker by that time that most think should be competing doing “something” anyway) for about a year before really blasting into cutting down to leaner levels.
regardless of what you choose, once you lean up, unless you have a great metabolism for not storing much body fat, hold that lighter weight for a while so your body can get adjusted to it.
those people on this site crying because they feel full or they think they are stressing their bodies…or the ones who think they should only train 2 times a week as if their bodies can not adapt to stress and supercompensate with more frequent training…they will never reach anywhere near their ultimate potential.
Few people do and more cheat themselves by not taking advantage of growth periods like before growth plates close, during growth spurts, or doing like those with above average genetics who truly blast hard in the 20’s and early 30’s to get huge.
Someone trying to do this after 35 is missing quite a bit.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]digitalairair wrote:
I guess the talks about staying at a high weight for a long time will mess up your system and make you harder to cut and easier to get fat in the future shouldn’t be on the top of my things to worry about list then?
[/quote]
Don’t do it dood you’ll die!
[/quote]
And catch herpes.
Here is what you do have to worry about:
-bulking up over 20% body fat over the age of 35. The more muscle you carry, the less of a concern that is but most people slow down with age and that shit isn’t going anywhere without changing your conditioning.
-Actually getting really really fat and ignoring it. I did that. It isn’t a problem, it was just unnecessary. I did it to see if there was a benefit. I definitely think there is to bulking up in general but me hitting 300lbs was more about seeing if I could do it and have most of it be muscle than anything else.
Your body is adaptive. When I first started trying to gain size, I couldn’t even eat breakfast without feeling like I would throw up. Fast forward ten years and at my heaviest, I know I was killing in excess of 8,000cals a day and was doing it easily. The average person eating like I was would have been morbidly obese. I was just testing what my body could handle. It isn’t a recommendation, I am just letting you know why I did some of the things I did and the outcome.
Bottom line, based on what I’ve experienced, start cleaning up your diet once you really get smooth. Start with the carbs and start focusing on increasing lean protein sources without going overboard. If your goal is to actually reach near your actual potential in your lifetime and stress it, hold that heavier weight (assuming you are a huge fucker by that time that most think should be competing doing “something” anyway) for about a year before really blasting into cutting down to leaner levels.
regardless of what you choose, once you lean up, unless you have a great metabolism for not storing much body fat, hold that lighter weight for a while so your body can get adjusted to it.
those people on this site crying because they feel full or they think they are stressing their bodies…or the ones who think they should only train 2 times a week as if their bodies can not adapt to stress and supercompensate with more frequent training…they will never reach anywhere near their ultimate potential.
Few people do and more cheat themselves by not taking advantage of growth periods like before growth plates close, during growth spurts, or doing like those with above average genetics who truly blast hard in the 20’s and early 30’s to get huge.
Someone trying to do this after 35 is missing quite a bit.[/quote]
thanks. I will imprint in my mind for a very long time…until I get huge and old.
One more question, what do you think of mini cuts?
I actually went on one in the middle of this bulk.
started out at 143 (see pics)
go up to 180 + very quickly.
Then went on a cut of 4 weeks and got back down to 165 (lost some muscle but mostly fat)
and now back up to 199
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]digitalairair wrote:
I guess the talks about staying at a high weight for a long time will mess up your system and make you harder to cut and easier to get fat in the future shouldn’t be on the top of my things to worry about list then?
[/quote]
Don’t do it dood you’ll die!
[/quote]
And catch herpes.
Here is what you do have to worry about:
-bulking up over 20% body fat over the age of 35. The more muscle you carry, the less of a concern that is but most people slow down with age and that shit isn’t going anywhere without changing your conditioning.
-Actually getting really really fat and ignoring it. I did that. It isn’t a problem, it was just unnecessary. I did it to see if there was a benefit. I definitely think there is to bulking up in general but me hitting 300lbs was more about seeing if I could do it and have most of it be muscle than anything else.
Your body is adaptive. When I first started trying to gain size, I couldn’t even eat breakfast without feeling like I would throw up. Fast forward ten years and at my heaviest, I know I was killing in excess of 8,000cals a day and was doing it easily. The average person eating like I was would have been morbidly obese. I was just testing what my body could handle. It isn’t a recommendation, I am just letting you know why I did some of the things I did and the outcome.
Bottom line, based on what I’ve experienced, start cleaning up your diet once you really get smooth. Start with the carbs and start focusing on increasing lean protein sources without going overboard. If your goal is to actually reach near your actual potential in your lifetime and stress it, hold that heavier weight (assuming you are a huge fucker by that time that most think should be competing doing “something” anyway) for about a year before really blasting into cutting down to leaner levels.
regardless of what you choose, once you lean up, unless you have a great metabolism for not storing much body fat, hold that lighter weight for a while so your body can get adjusted to it.
those people on this site crying because they feel full or they think they are stressing their bodies…or the ones who think they should only train 2 times a week as if their bodies can not adapt to stress and supercompensate with more frequent training…they will never reach anywhere near their ultimate potential.
Few people do and more cheat themselves by not taking advantage of growth periods like before growth plates close, during growth spurts, or doing like those with above average genetics who truly blast hard in the 20’s and early 30’s to get huge.
Someone trying to do this after 35 is missing quite a bit.[/quote]
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]digitalairair wrote:
I guess the talks about staying at a high weight for a long time will mess up your system and make you harder to cut and easier to get fat in the future shouldn’t be on the top of my things to worry about list then?
[/quote]
Don’t do it dood you’ll die!
[/quote]
And catch herpes.
Here is what you do have to worry about:
-bulking up over 20% body fat over the age of 35. The more muscle you carry, the less of a concern that is but most people slow down with age and that shit isn’t going anywhere without changing your conditioning.
-Actually getting really really fat and ignoring it. I did that. It isn’t a problem, it was just unnecessary. I did it to see if there was a benefit. I definitely think there is to bulking up in general but me hitting 300lbs was more about seeing if I could do it and have most of it be muscle than anything else.
Your body is adaptive. When I first started trying to gain size, I couldn’t even eat breakfast without feeling like I would throw up. Fast forward ten years and at my heaviest, I know I was killing in excess of 8,000cals a day and was doing it easily. The average person eating like I was would have been morbidly obese. I was just testing what my body could handle. It isn’t a recommendation, I am just letting you know why I did some of the things I did and the outcome.
Bottom line, based on what I’ve experienced, start cleaning up your diet once you really get smooth. Start with the carbs and start focusing on increasing lean protein sources without going overboard. If your goal is to actually reach near your actual potential in your lifetime and stress it, hold that heavier weight (assuming you are a huge fucker by that time that most think should be competing doing “something” anyway) for about a year before really blasting into cutting down to leaner levels.
regardless of what you choose, once you lean up, unless you have a great metabolism for not storing much body fat, hold that lighter weight for a while so your body can get adjusted to it.
those people on this site crying because they feel full or they think they are stressing their bodies…or the ones who think they should only train 2 times a week as if their bodies can not adapt to stress and supercompensate with more frequent training…they will never reach anywhere near their ultimate potential.
Few people do and more cheat themselves by not taking advantage of growth periods like before growth plates close, during growth spurts, or doing like those with above average genetics who truly blast hard in the 20’s and early 30’s to get huge.
Someone trying to do this after 35 is missing quite a bit.[/quote]
at 165 in July
Dude, you have done everything right from what I can see. Nothing wrong with “mini-cuts” I call that “damage control”.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Dude, you have done everything right from what I can see. Nothing wrong with “mini-cuts” I call that “damage control”.[/quote]
Alternatively, you can just cut back on carbs or cut calories back for a while and do it over a longer period of time, so that you lean out more slowly but keep more muscle and have less of a two steps forward one step back effect.
Either one is not really a big deal so long as you are proceeding formulaically and not just yo-yoing back and forth.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Few people do and more cheat themselves by not taking advantage of growth periods like before growth plates close, during growth spurts, [/quote]
What do you mean by not taking advantage of growth spurts, and before growth plates close?
[quote]DSSG wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Few people do and more cheat themselves by not taking advantage of growth periods like before growth plates close, during growth spurts, [/quote]
What do you mean by not taking advantage of growth spurts, and before growth plates close? [/quote]
It’s what I have been writing about for over ten years here. I would guess it gets lost in the middle of people crying that I am too fat to give bodybuilding advice.
Your body does not follow some preplanned system of supercompensation. It is a system in constant flux based on age, metabolism, hormones, and even the level of stress. That means those who think they will gain the same amount of muscle gaining at a very slow rate as someone who takes full advantage of these times of supercompensation are not basing their ideas in biology or anything backed up in science.
What I mean is, yes, you have a genetic blue print that is mapped out in your DNA. However, that biological system is adaptive and during specific periods in life has a vast increase in hormones as well as ability to adapt to stress.
That is why I “bulked up”.
If you have any other questions, just ask.
I was aware that weight gain/muscle gain/strength gain isn’t linear, but you mentioned taking advantage before growth plates close are you saying that you can grow muscle better when your bones are still lengthening (teenagers for an example)? And would a growth spurt (in the example of a rapid growth in height/limb length) be an advantageous time for muscle growth?
[quote]DSSG wrote:
I was aware that weight gain/muscle gain/strength gain isn’t linear, but you mentioned taking advantage before growth plates close are you saying that you can grow muscle better when your bones are still lengthening (teenagers for an example)? And would a growth spurt (in the example of a rapid growth in height/limb length) be an advantageous time for muscle growth? [/quote]
Yes, I am basically saying that. I remember “bulking up” the first time in high school. I didn’t have regular access to weights, but I bought a weight gainer and did what I could at home. I put on 15lbs that summer. Of course I didn’t take body fat percentages, but it wasn’t fat weight I put on and I didn’t grow in height to justify it. That isn’t happening to the guy who thinks he can only put on “2.2lbs” of muscle a month ONLY.
The other aspect is simply making sure that when your body is ready to grow the most, that you are already there giving it everything it needs to make those gains…not holding back because you think you can predict exactly how much muscle you can gain based on bro-science.
Thanks for the information, I will keep it in mind.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DSSG wrote:
I was aware that weight gain/muscle gain/strength gain isn’t linear, but you mentioned taking advantage before growth plates close are you saying that you can grow muscle better when your bones are still lengthening (teenagers for an example)? And would a growth spurt (in the example of a rapid growth in height/limb length) be an advantageous time for muscle growth? [/quote]
Yes, I am basically saying that. I remember “bulking up” the first time in high school. I didn’t have regular access to weights, but I bought a weight gainer and did what I could at home. I put on 15lbs that summer. Of course I didn’t take body fat percentages, but it wasn’t fat weight I put on and I didn’t grow in height to justify it. That isn’t happening to the guy who thinks he can only put on “2.2lbs” of muscle a month ONLY.
The other aspect is simply making sure that when your body is ready to grow the most, that you are already there giving it everything it needs to make those gains…not holding back because you think you can predict exactly how much muscle you can gain based on bro-science.[/quote]
I told my mom I am gonna bulk until 35 and half of the time I;ll be fat she’s pissed. She prefers my Brad pitt body
videos of my mom
[quote]digitalairair wrote:
videos of my mom [/quote]
Daaaaaaaaamn. Nice mom, Frank. Seems very cool, too.
I was literally crying laughing at you having her read those comments.
Off to comb youtube for more vids of Frank’s mom…
well this thread made my day. with my job, i am often face to face with he worst humanity has to offer, and lately i have been wishing for a horrible pandemic to wipe out about 3/4 of the worlds population.
but frank, you are one strange, weird, little dude, and also one of the truly unique, original and interesting people out there.
so this made me rethink my plague scenario, i mean, how many useless dim worthless people had to be birthed into existence just to get one Frank Yang?