[quote]Sifu wrote:
A few days ago when Ahmadinejad gave a speech at the UN, part of his speech covered the return of the twelth Imam. I read about that in the Telegraph.
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I hope he’s gay…That’d fuck them up.
Seems like the Syrian raid was a test run for the blitz on Iran. Apparently the IDF, not using stealth technology, blinded the Syrian AA sites during the raid with some help from the US.
I’m sure the US will use the same technology, combined with stealth on the Iranian raid. France even wants a piece fo the action apparently.
An opinion piece from Jack Wheeler:
Silence in Syria, Panic in Iran
By Dr. Jack Wheeler, To The Point News 19/9/07
Sep 25, 2007 - 12:09:27 PM
"Everyone in the government and military can only talk of one thing,’ he reports. ‘No matter who I talked to, all they could do was ask me, over and over again, ‘Do you think the Americans will attack us?’ ‘When will the Americans attack us?’ ‘Will the Americans attack us in a joint operation with the Israelis?’ How massive will the attack be?’ on and on, endlessly. The Iranians are in a state of total panic.’
And that was before September 6. Since then, it’s panic-squared in Tehran. The mullahs are freaking out in fear. Why? Because of the silence in Syria. On September 6, Israeli Air Force F-15 and F-16s conducted a devastating attack on targets deep inside Syria near the city of Dayr az-Zawr. Israel’s military censors have muzzled the Israeli media, enforcing an extraordinary silence about the identity of the targets. Massive speculation in the world press has followed, such as Brett Stephens’ Osirak II? in yesterday’s (9/18) Wall St. Journal. Stephens and most everyone else have missed the real story. It is not Israel’s silence that ‘speaks volumes’ as he claims, but Syria’s.
Why would the Syrian government be so tight-lipped about an act of war perpetrated on their soil? The first half of the answer lies in this story that appeared in the Israeli media last month (8/13): Syria’s Antiaircraft System Most Advanced In World. Syria has gone on a profligate buying spree, spending vast sums on Russian systems, ‘considered the cutting edge in aircraft interception technology.’ Syria now ‘possesses the most crowded antiaircraft system in the world,’ with ‘more than 200 antiaircraft batteries of different types,’ some of which are so new that they have been installed in Syria ‘before being introduced into Russian operation service.’ While you’re digesting that, take a look at the map of Syria: Notice how far away Dayr az-Zawr is from Israel. An F15/16 attack there is not a tiptoe across the border, but a deep, deep penetration of Syrian airspace. And guess what happened with the Russian super-hyper-sophisticated cutting edge antiaircraft missile batteries when that penetration took place on September 6th. Nothing.
El blanko. Silence. The systems didn’t even light up, gave no indication whatever of any detection of enemy aircraft invading Syrian airspace, zip, zero, nada. The Israelis (with a little techie assistance from us) blinded the Russkie antiaircraft systems so completely the Syrians didn’t even know they were blinded. Now you see why the Syrians have been scared speechless. They thought they were protected - at enormous expense - only to discover they are defenseless. As in naked. Thus the Great Iranian Freak-Out - for this means Iran is just as nakedly defenseless as Syria.
I can tell you that there are a lot of folks in the Kirya (IDF headquarters in Tel Aviv) and the Pentagon right now who are really enjoying the mullahs’ predicament. Let’s face it: scaring the terror masters in Tehran out of their wits is fun. It’s so much fun, in fact, that an attack destroying Iran’s nuclear facilities and the Revolutionary Guard command/control centers has been delayed, so that France (under new management) can get in on the fun too. On Sunday (9/16), Sarkozy’s foreign minister Bernard Kouchner announced that ‘France should prepare for the possibility of war over Iran’s nuclear program.’ All of this has caused Tehran to respond with maniacal threats. On Monday (9/17), a government website proclaimed that ‘600 Shihab-3 missiles’ will be fired at targets in Israel in response to an attack upon Iran by the US/Israel.
This was followed by Iranian deputy air force chief Gen. Mohammad Alavi announcing today (9/19) that ‘we will attack their (Israeli) territory with our fighter bombers as a response to any attack.’ A sure sign of panic is to make a threat that everyone knows is a bluff. So our and Tel Aviv’s response to Iranian bluster is a thank-you-for-sharing yawn and a laugh. Few things rattle the mullahs’ cages more than a yawn and a laugh. Yet no matter how much fun this sport with the mullahs is, it is also deadly serious. The pressure build-up on Iran is getting enormous. Something is going to blow and soon. The hope is that the blow-up will be internal, that the regime will implode from within. But make no mistake: an all-out full regime take-out air assault upon Iran is coming if that hope doesn’t materialize within the next 60 to 90 days. The Sept. 6 attack on Syria was the shot across Iran’s bow.
So - what was attacked near Dayr az-Zawr? It’s possible it was North Korean ‘nuclear material’ recently shipped to Syria, i.e., stuff to make radioactively ‘dirty’ warheads, but nothing to make a real nuke with as the Norks don’t have real nukes (see Why North Korea’s Nuke Test Is Such Good News, October 2006). Another possibility is it was to take out a stockpile of long-range Zilzal surface-to-surface missiles recently shipped from Iran for an attack on Israel. A third is it was a hit on the stockpile of Saddam’s chemical/bio weapons snuck out of Iraq and into Syria for safekeeping before the US invasion of April 2003. But the identity of the target is not the story - for the primary point of the attack was not to destroy that target. It was to shut down Syria’s Russian air defense system during the attack. Doing so made the attack an incredible success. Syria is shamed and silent. Iran is freaking out in panic. Defenseless enemies are fun.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
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Sanctions are going to shatter their economy. The fact that the Iranians are willing to bring sanctions on themselves when they don’t need to, disproves your assertion that they are merely pursuing a civil program. [/quote]
This is key. Russia (or another) would refine the uranium for them and they could have a civil program without sanctions.
They are either trying to build a bomb or trying to fool a lot of people.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
If Irans nuclear program is civil they could avoid the problems they are now having. Processing nuclear fuel is a messy business. The Russians are willing to do it for the Iranians and save them all the mess and bother. But they refuse to go along. [/quote]
They’re not refusing to go along. They’re refusing to be coerced into giving up their rights. Need I remind you that Iran is a signatory member of the NPT?
Here’s a question for you: if you think processing nuclear fuel is a messy business, why don’t you get the Russians do it for you to save you all the mess?
If I was an Iranian, I’d rather see the economy shatter than have my country bend over. It wouldn’t be the smartest thing to do, but it’s about the principle.
[quote]Mishima wrote:
You are NOT the good guys here. isreal has 300 nukes - they could take care of iran.
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That is fine by me. Let them deal with their own neighbors so the US can turn an indifferent eye to the whole matter. It’s time for the US to not do something for a change.
Wow, hedo. That was some thought provoking read.
[quote]kroby wrote:
Wow, hedo. That was some thought provoking read.[/quote]
I think the US has a game changing technology that they are keeping under wraps. Something developed with the Israeli’s because I don’t think we would share it with them otherwise.
Precision delivery of ordanance combined with the ability to completely fool a sophisticated air defense system was just demonstrated. F-15’s and F-16’s. Not the F-22 and B-2 which is what the US would use, along with some Frence assets it appears. Interesting. This is big talk among military people.
Iran becomes a lot more agreeable without an Air Force, Navy, nuclear program and domestic gasoline production.
Political considerations aside it certainly seems imminent.
to be honest: right now the people here in europe (who you consider “no balls”, but who expierenced the horror of dictatorship and war on their own soil) are more afraid of the US than iran. and that is a shame.
honestly you are a great nation that did alot for us, but you became a very scary monster. just look what happened: secret prisons, world domination, police state - you are like germany in the year 1934. and you are all cheering like we did 60 years ago when we believed we were the worlds elite. What happened to you?
everybody knows the neocons planed to attack iraq, iran and syria long before 9/11 and they are just following their agenda. but it seems that you just don`t care.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Iran couldn’t go after either one in a million years.
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Then why is it so imperative that they have nukes?
[quote]Mishima wrote:
demonizing the future enemy is just the build up for the war. [/quote]
Exactly! Great deduction, which is why Iran has been calling us “Great Satan” for over 20 years!
sorry double post…
@cushin: it is all written in here. It was planned in the year 2000 and is happening right now.
I gladly admit that the US in not a police state right now (even though nearly all your rights were taken away with the patriot act), but it is on the best way to become one.
please read this article and open your eyes: Fascist America, in 10 easy steps | Naomi Wolf | The Guardian
and don`t get me wrong I do not defend a country like Iran which hangs people openly. But right now Iran is not a thread to you. You are to them.
For an outsider the conflict is really bizzar: You are argumenting that Iran could have the bomb in a few years and is mad enough to use it. You have allready all the bombs in the world and you are more than willing to nuke a defencless country. But THEY are mad???
no I don`t argue with you and I will not offend you. I lived in the usa around 15 years ago for a year and been there a few times during the last years. I really loved the time there and I think that the usa is a great nation.
but the country has changed. maybe you have to see it from the outside. and the article I posted is from “a young american patriot” and not from a “europe-know-it-all”.
Mishima wrote:
“A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm - Wikipedia”
Gkhan asks:
The Jews to blame again?
Mishima wrote:
“I gladly admit that the US in not a police state right now (even though nearly all your rights were taken away with the patriot act), but it is on the best way to become one.”
Gkhan says:
Thank the Muslims who attacked us for that one. Right now the only police state I see is getting extra security checks in airports.
Mishima wrote:
please read this article and open your eyes: Fascist America, in 10 easy steps | Naomi Wolf | The Guardian
Gkhan says:
Do not want to read conspiracy therory propaganda.
Mishima wrote:
“and don`t get me wrong I do not defend a country like Iran which hangs people openly. But right now Iran is not a thread to you. You are to them.”
Gkhan says:
I would hope you do not defend them
Mishima:
“For an outsider the conflict is really bizzar: You are argumenting that Iran could have the bomb in a few years and is mad enough to use it. You have allready all the bombs in the world and you are more than willing to nuke a defencless country. But THEY are mad???”
Gkhan:
We are not the only country in the world with the bomb. We had an over 50 year struggle with the other nuclear superpower, which had more bombs and bigger bombs and no one nuked anyone in that 50 year period, so I guess it says something about the likelihood of us using the bomb again.
This thread is about France. Not the US. France also has the bomb, France also does not want Iran to have the bomb. Do you think that France is in on the conspiracy theories you have mentioned above?
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
lixy wrote:
Sifu wrote:
I think what you really mean to say is you would like to see them nuclear armed so they can go after the great satan and the little satan.
Iran couldn’t go after either one in a million years.
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Put nuke on cargo ship.
Sail cargo ship into NY Harbor.
Detonate. [/quote]
Maybe that’s why Ahmanijihad was here — scoping out the target.
He probably also wanted one final look at the greatest city on earth.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
He probably also wanted one final look at the greatest city on earth.
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This is off-topic and has nothing to do with ahmadinejad. Ahma is a wolverine in finnish by the way. Anyway, I thought many americans didn’t like NY that much. Am I wrong?
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
lixy wrote:
Sifu wrote:
I think what you really mean to say is you would like to see them nuclear armed so they can go after the great satan and the little satan.
Iran couldn’t go after either one in a million years.
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Put nuke on cargo ship.
Sail cargo ship into NY Harbor.
Detonate. [/quote]
Oh, that option has been available ever since the fall of the Soviet Union. I’m just surprised that nobody has done it yet.
No centrifuges, plutonium or nuclear physicists required, just a pile of hard currency and a disgruntled but sympathetic Ukrainian military officer with access to stockpiled warheads. It’ll probably happen sooner or later.
And the port of Jaffa is a much closer target than New York.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
lixy wrote:
Sifu wrote:
I think what you really mean to say is you would like to see them nuclear armed so they can go after the great satan and the little satan.
Iran couldn’t go after either one in a million years.
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Put nuke on cargo ship.
Sail cargo ship into NY Harbor.
Detonate.
Oh, that option has been available ever since the fall of the Soviet Union. I’m just surprised that nobody has done it yet.
No centrifuges, plutonium or nuclear physicists required, just a pile of hard currency and a disgruntled but sympathetic Ukrainian military officer with access to stockpiled warheads. It’ll probably happen sooner or later.
And the port of Jaffa is a much closer target than New York.[/quote]
I don’t know about that, I think the nukes are locked down far better in Putin’s Russia than they were in Yeltsin’s, and I think Ukraine and Kazakhstan’s arsenals are gone. Could be wrong, but that’s my understanding.