No he didn’t. And the debt increase was mostly military spending. I think we went through this already another time.
Well that’s good. Only an idiot would speak of cutting defence in the midst of a world war. An idiot like say…Obama.
Laws against infanticide don’t increase the size of the federal government nor extend its scope beyond constitutional limits.
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They are the ultimate wolf in sheep’s clothing. I will get on board with the Tea Party when they drop the loonies which keeps getting bad Democrats re-elected when they shouldn’t, and when I’m convinced they are ACTUALLY serious about rooting out big government and not just big government they don’t like.
And where were these people with GWB? Why didn’t they stand up against Romney harder?
Every neocon and his dog has jumped on the tea party bandwagon. The movement started great and has quickly became tainted from what I’ve seen. [/quote]
Ah…neocons are socially liberal, atheist, big government, establishment Republican types. They’re not jumping on the tea party bandwagon.
As I thought. Defended the increases as something you liked. Ignored the part about tea partiers profiting off the very stuff they are supposed to be against. Mentioned laughably that we are in a world war. Yeah, we’re the only one PARTICIPATING, but you’re right we are ALL OVER the world.
Where exactly have they been on curbing the military or pulling out of Afghanistan? They silenced Ron Paul an It is filled with the same old same old war hawks and big farm subsidy guzzling neocons we all know and love. Atheist? You call GWB an atheist? Hell I’d like neocons more if I actually thought that.
If Sarah Palin is your idea of the tea party you got it man. They have no room for Libs they have made that quite clear.
I have no doubt that are against the spending Obama is doing. They would quickly replace it with the type of spending that George W Bush did of that I have no doubt at all.
You really have no problem with Stephen Fincher taking massive amount of farm subsidies while extolling the horrors of the federal government? If he’s so small government and such a tea party champion why not give back the people’s money?
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Yeah, we’re the only one PARTICIPATING, but you’re right we are ALL OVER the world.
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You mean al Qaeda, Pakistan, the petro regimes, Iran, Syria, Russia, China, Venezuela, North Korea etc. aren’t participating? You’re an idiot.
Idiot.
No one ‘silenced’ Ron Paul. It’s just that no one wanted to listen to him because he’s batshit.
You obviously don’t know what a neocon is. Bush was more of social conservative. He had no connections to the neocon movement unlike his most of his underlings who were atheists.
You mean the type that was considerably LESS than Obama’s spending? You do realise Obama spent more in his first two years than Bush did in 8 years? As I’ve said, I’m no fan of Bush and I often criticise him and his spending but I don’t live in fantasy land. If Bush was a drunken sailor Obama is a drunken Navy.
Lol ok Sex you got it. The boogeymen are after us. We need to spy on our people because of terrorists. Invade other countries you got it. Bomb the shit out of everyone? Let’s do it. Obama has been every bit the war hawk that Bush has been. How can you NOT like this guy? Don’t worry we are bombing brown people at an awesome rate! God knows how unsafe we would be if we spent ANY less on the military. Don’t you remember 9/11? So fuck your civil rights!
Luckily your version of tea party small government includes plenty of big government wars, big government subsidies, big government spending, taking away our civil rights, etc. Thank goodness we have a “party” really championing small government. I definitely should get on board. Sounds exactly like what we already have.
In the gun thread we have liberals who think bad things happen because of guns so we need to take away guns. Here we have far righties who think bad things WILL happen if we don’t continue to bomb the shit out of everyone and spend ungodly amounts of money doing it. And God knows we aren’t creating terrorists by killing other countries civilians. I mean everyone is ALWAYS so happy to see us in their country. Look the US is visiting again guys, grab your helmets!
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Don’t worry we are bombing brown people at an awesome rate!
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LOL stupid liberal crap. Bombing the shit out of everyone? Bombing brown people. The implication being they’re being targeted because they’re brown. Get out of here with your leftist crap.
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Don’t worry we are bombing brown people at an awesome rate!
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LOL stupid liberal crap. Bombing the shit out of everyone? Bombing brown people. The implication being they’re being targeted because they’re brown. Get out of here with your leftist crap.
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Lol the guy saying neocons aren’t in the tea party is the biggest warhawk neocon in history and now wants to call me a lefty. At least Zeb won’t be alone. And hey, Zeb’s big government too but likes to pretend he’s small government. You guys should form a club.
And don’t try and bring up different shit that’s another Zeb tactic. We have been bombing the shit out of everyone under Obama’s reign. Not a tear has been shed for the children in other countries he has killed, but watch him cry while trying to take away our guns about Connecticut.
Once again you IGNORE most of the post and try and pick out one piece that you think you can argue best at. You keep your tea party. I’ll stay away from it. Thanks for clarifying what you guys are all about.
Lol the guy saying neocons aren’t in the tea party is the biggest warhawk neocon in history and now wants to call me a lefty.
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‘Bombing brown people’ is a classic liberal line. You’re the one using it. And as I said, you obviously don’t know what a neocon is. The tea party comprises traditional conservatives and libertarians not neocons. Why don’t you name one tea party neocon.
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And don’t try and bring up different shit that’s another Zeb tactic. We have been bombing the shit out of everyone under Obama’s reign. Not a tear has been shed for the children in other countries he has killed, but watch him cry while trying to take away our guns about Connecticut. [/quote]
I was against Obama’s unnecessary war in Libya. I don’t just support wars for the hell of it. And if someone like Ron Paul was president the country wouldn’t last five minutes. That’s why America’s enemies overseas donated to his campaign and promoted him on their propaganda channels like RTV. Not because they like America and want the best president. But because they know someone like Paul would serve their interests and weaken America. You live in a fantasy land.
The Democrats don’t even pretend to be for small government that much is true. The Republicans run under the guise of small government because it’s a winning stance to take more often than not. What exactly has you convinced the party is different now? Which recent Republican President shrank government?
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Reagan. Your far left sources are utter nonsense as I have shown previously.
So do I. Romney is not a conservative he’s an establishment Republican. The kind that need to be replaced by tea party candidates who are serious about limiting the scope of federal government and reducing spending.
You wouldn’t vote for a tea party candidate? You’d prefer an establishment Republican to hold his seat?
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If both of these options sound like shit don’t vote for either of them. I haven’t heard many Tea Party people with some concrete specifics and they definitely aren’t talking too loudly about shrinking the military or the bullshit Patriot Act or any of that. Of course they are all still for legislating the piss out of morality. They like government that way. [/quote]
So you want smaller government but you wouldn’t vote for any tea party candidate? You don’t make any sense. They’re leading the fight against big government.[/quote]
Reagan tripled the debt. If you want to argue he didn’t grow government to a huge extent go ahead. But start right there please. And I don’t want to hear ANY justification for it or it’s exactly like the left does with the debt RIGHT now. We NEED this stuff at THIS moment. We always have.
Right now the tea party is running loonies left and right. How many seats have been given to Democrats because the tea party picked the looniest person possible to run?
Let’s look at some other tea party people and see just how principled they are:
Why don’t you take a look at Michelle Bachmann, or Stephen Fincher some tea party favorites. Guess who’s profiting off farm subsidies big time? Oh sure these people love to stand up against big government, except for the parts they are profiting insanely from. You won’t hear these people mention cutting defense. You WILL hear them talk about big government in social issues all the time (see Rick Santorum).
They are the ultimate wolf in sheep’s clothing. I will get on board with the Tea Party when they drop the loonies which keeps getting bad Democrats re-elected when they shouldn’t, and when I’m convinced they are ACTUALLY serious about rooting out big government and not just big government they don’t like.
And where were these people with GWB? Why didn’t they stand up against Romney harder?
Every neocon and his dog has jumped on the tea party bandwagon. The movement started great and has quickly became tainted from what I’ve seen. [/quote]
And here we have the “libertarian” H factor attacking republicans once again. Totally ignoring the fact that Obama has raised the debt more than all the Presidents combined from Washington to Clinton.
Atta boy H factor keep pumping out the liberal talking points. It seems you are really coming out of the closet. Now absolutely no one will believe your crap about being a libertarian. I knew if I pushed you hard enough you would have to show your true colors.
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Don’t worry we are bombing brown people at an awesome rate!
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LOL stupid liberal crap. Bombing the shit out of everyone? Bombing brown people. The implication being they’re being targeted because they’re brown. Get out of here with your leftist crap.
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Lol the guy saying neocons aren’t in the tea party is the biggest warhawk neocon in history and now wants to call me a lefty. At least Zeb won’t be alone. And hey, Zeb’s big government too but likes to pretend he’s small government. You guys should form a club.
And don’t try and bring up different shit that’s another Zeb tactic. We have been bombing the shit out of everyone under Obama’s reign. Not a tear has been shed for the children in other countries he has killed, but watch him cry while trying to take away our guns about Connecticut.
Once again you IGNORE most of the post and try and pick out one piece that you think you can argue best at. You keep your tea party. I’ll stay away from it. Thanks for clarifying what you guys are all about. [/quote]
The Democrats don’t even pretend to be for small government that much is true. The Republicans run under the guise of small government because it’s a winning stance to take more often than not. What exactly has you convinced the party is different now? Which recent Republican President shrank government?
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Reagan. Your far left sources are utter nonsense as I have shown previously.
So do I. Romney is not a conservative he’s an establishment Republican. The kind that need to be replaced by tea party candidates who are serious about limiting the scope of federal government and reducing spending.
You wouldn’t vote for a tea party candidate? You’d prefer an establishment Republican to hold his seat?
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If both of these options sound like shit don’t vote for either of them. I haven’t heard many Tea Party people with some concrete specifics and they definitely aren’t talking too loudly about shrinking the military or the bullshit Patriot Act or any of that. Of course they are all still for legislating the piss out of morality. They like government that way. [/quote]
So you want smaller government but you wouldn’t vote for any tea party candidate? You don’t make any sense. They’re leading the fight against big government.[/quote]
Reagan tripled the debt. If you want to argue he didn’t grow government to a huge extent go ahead. But start right there please. And I don’t want to hear ANY justification for it or it’s exactly like the left does with the debt RIGHT now. We NEED this stuff at THIS moment. We always have.
Right now the tea party is running loonies left and right. How many seats have been given to Democrats because the tea party picked the looniest person possible to run?
Let’s look at some other tea party people and see just how principled they are:
Why don’t you take a look at Michelle Bachmann, or Stephen Fincher some tea party favorites. Guess who’s profiting off farm subsidies big time? Oh sure these people love to stand up against big government, except for the parts they are profiting insanely from. You won’t hear these people mention cutting defense. You WILL hear them talk about big government in social issues all the time (see Rick Santorum).
They are the ultimate wolf in sheep’s clothing. I will get on board with the Tea Party when they drop the loonies which keeps getting bad Democrats re-elected when they shouldn’t, and when I’m convinced they are ACTUALLY serious about rooting out big government and not just big government they don’t like.
And where were these people with GWB? Why didn’t they stand up against Romney harder?
Every neocon and his dog has jumped on the tea party bandwagon. The movement started great and has quickly became tainted from what I’ve seen. [/quote]
And here we have the “libertarian” H factor attacking republicans once again. Totally ignoring the fact that Obama has raised the debt more than all the Presidents combined from Washington to Clinton.
Atta boy H factor keep pumping out the liberal talking points. It seems you are really coming out of the closet. Now absolutely no one will believe your crap about being a libertarian. I knew if I pushed you hard enough you would have to show your true colors.
And…it worked.[/quote]
Lol. Zeb is mad that when two people were discussing the tea party that I bashed tea party members and not the left at the same time. Again, in a discussion ABOUT the tea party, Zeb is angry and believes it is evidence I’m a liberal because I didn’t bash liberals.
Zeb the adults were trying to have a conversation. I know you want to jump down and scream liberal, liberals, liberals all day long, but we were talking about the tea party. Sorry I didn’t seem to think it was necessary to also talk about the left when discussing that. I’ll try and do better next time to meet your requirements of fitting in at least 10 left bashes in every post I make to prove I believe how I’ve always posted ok. I was pointing out why I’m not a tea party fan. I apologize for my mistake. I merely forgot that no matter what is being discussed I damn sure better rip on the left lest I be called a liberal.
Seriously, I actually laughed wholeheartedly at that. Thanks. Detective Zeb is on the case people. And he is trying to prove anyone who disagrees with the Republicans is Karl Marx.
I must admit Zeb you do make a really good Republican soldier. They should be happy to have you. You will stand by them no matter what.
I am giving up though Zeb and I will tell you why:
You started a national debt thread. I showed just how big of a warrior you are on the debt by examining some of your posts. I showed many of those posts which showed you didn’t care about the debt until Obama got in office.
You ignored that. Your own words proving you wrong were completely swept under the rug. You attacked me instead. Didn’t want to deal with what I was saying so you ignored it and switched tactics.
Later on you started calling me a liberal. I asked for you to prove this with my own words. One time where I supported the left’s expansion of government. Not ten, not twenty, ONE. You knew those words didn’t exist so again you ignored that request and continued to attack me.
So I did it for you. With my own words showed numerous examples of me calling out the President and Democrats. You ignored that as well. Continued to attack.
It truly makes no sense posting replies to you. You are not interested in evidence. You are not scared to be called out with your own words. Anything someone directly asks you that you can’t answer you just completely act as if it’s never been said.
For a while I honestly thought you might be a guy interested in intellectual honesty or arguing fairly. You aren’t. You’re interested in getting the last word in, attacking a person as much as possible, distorting whatever you have to to be able to feel like you won an argument.
I should have realized this the other day. You were EMBARRASSED in the national debt thread. There is not a remotely rational thinker on this or any site who could read that thread and think you were anything but that. Now, this long after that fact you talk of owning people in it? I mean that’s just not dealing with reality. You seem like the type of guy who someone might play horse with who ends up getting an ho while you get horse. And ten minutes later talking about how badly you kicked that guys ass despite actually losing. I mean it’s just not rational thinking in the least bit and demonstrably incorrect simply by reading the thread.
You’re essentially a giant troll who lives on here. And I’m not going to feed you anymore. You may bash me at will for this post. Call me Karl Marx. Talk about an Obama poster being on my wall. Whatever you feel like making up you won’t get me to defend anymore. I’m out of food.
The Democrats don’t even pretend to be for small government that much is true. The Republicans run under the guise of small government because it’s a winning stance to take more often than not. What exactly has you convinced the party is different now? Which recent Republican President shrank government?
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Reagan. Your far left sources are utter nonsense as I have shown previously.
So do I. Romney is not a conservative he’s an establishment Republican. The kind that need to be replaced by tea party candidates who are serious about limiting the scope of federal government and reducing spending.
You wouldn’t vote for a tea party candidate? You’d prefer an establishment Republican to hold his seat?
Mad over discovering another poser on the Internet? LOL
You’re kidding right? Is your sense of self that high and mighty that you think you can make people mad by posing as a libertarian when you are in fact a liberal?
Wow…you are messed up worse than I thought.
By the way others are now wise to your act. You’ve really blown your cover with your over the top attack on Reagan, GW Bush and other republicans while giving the democrats and your hero Obama a free pass. Especially on the issue of debt reduction.
You are now as transparent as a brand new living room picture window.
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I am giving up though Zeb and I will tell you why:
You started a national debt thread. I showed just how big of a warrior you are on the debt by examining some of your posts. I showed many of those posts which showed you didn’t care about the debt until Obama got in office.
You ignored that. Your own words proving you wrong were completely swept under the rug. You attacked me instead. Didn’t want to deal with what I was saying so you ignored it and switched tactics.
Later on you started calling me a liberal. I asked for you to prove this with my own words. One time where I supported the left’s expansion of government. Not ten, not twenty, ONE. You knew those words didn’t exist so again you ignored that request and continued to attack me.
So I did it for you. With my own words showed numerous examples of me calling out the President and Democrats. You ignored that as well. Continued to attack.
It truly makes no sense posting replies to you. You are not interested in evidence. You are not scared to be called out with your own words. Anything someone directly asks you that you can’t answer you just completely act as if it’s never been said.
For a while I honestly thought you might be a guy interested in intellectual honesty or arguing fairly. You aren’t. You’re interested in getting the last word in, attacking a person as much as possible, distorting whatever you have to to be able to feel like you won an argument.
You’re essentially a giant troll who lives on here. And I’m not going to feed you anymore. You may bash me at will for this post. Call me Karl Marx. Talk about an Obama poster being on my wall. Whatever you feel like making up you won’t get me to defend anymore. I’m out of food.
Have a Merry Christmas. [/quote]
I must say you are one long winded bastard. Can’t you ever say anything in a paragraph or two? You are the longest winded poser that I’ve ever seen on T Nation.
But I hope you do stick around. I think you can be one of the most outspoken liberals on PWI. And now that most people with a functioning brain stem know that you are not a libertarian you can move to full blown defense of your hero Obama. Trust me, over the next four years Obama will need all the help he can get. You’ll get to explain why we’re in another recession with unemployment back over 8%, and most likely in another war somewhere in the world. Yep…now that you can drop the charade you can start swinging from the hip for the left. And keep doing what you’re doing with your posts. What I really like about you is that when you have no argument you make shit up and then name call. It makes for good drama when I hand you your head in debate.
And I will end with a compliment. In almost 10 years on T Nation I have not seen a better poser than you!
And with that I wish you a Merry Christmas as well. And…Don’t ever change I am looking forward to tormenting you all through 2013.
To me, the most distressing part about the use of the term ‘Faux News’ is the fact that a lot of people are starting to think that ‘faux’ is pronounced ‘fox.’
