[quote]vroom wrote:
Are you going to now tell me I learnt the alphabet the wrong way round, because that is something you said, right?
No, I’m going to call you sadly unable to comprehend the truth around you.
I have told you myself that I was being sarcastic in that thread. Now, perhaps you don’t appreciate sarcasm, much as some did not appreciate the cartoons.
Nevertheless, I have even gone so far as to declare a retraction of my comments IN CASE the thread was becoming serious and other less than competent folks, such as yourself, were to take my words the wrong way.
Really, until you are able to follow along and comprehend the simple facts as people state them to you, there is no point in conversing with you, because you won’t let anything into your mind anyway.
Now, if you don’t mind, perhaps you could show some respect and stop hijacking this thread with your innane garbage.[/quote]
You started this thread and invited our input by doing so. You then proceed to insult those who took the fucking time to respond to your touchee-feelee bs course. If you don’t want a response and can’t deal with, go whack off at your porn sites.
[quote]vroom wrote:
I am taking a sociology course this year and generally am having a lot of thoughts about the interactions of people.
I’m trying to come up with something simple and fairly self-evident that most people would accept as a set of guidelines or principles.
While other people may focus on other issues, I’ve chosen four:
Respect.
Humility.
Wisdom.
Strength.
The first principle is respect. Everything in this universe should be treated with respect. Even enemies can be treated with respect.
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Yes, I respect someone who walks into daycare centers strapped with dynamite.
I respect those who’s stated goal is to kill me.
The guy in question has refused to understand that I am not actually calling for people to retaliate for terrorism by killing families or bombing mosques.
Somehow, to continue to accuse me of really supporting this viewpoint and refusing to participate in this thread because of, seems a bit out of touch.
I haven’t gone on to insult those participating, though I have offered insults back to those that have offered them to me.
Maybe you should look at the nature of your own posts Mr Kettle.
[quote]Yes, I respect someone who walks into daycare centers strapped with dynamite.
I respect those who’s stated goal is to kill me.
Double everything I said in the last 2 posts. [/quote]
Headhunter,
At this rate, I’m not sure English is your first language!
When it is fifty below outside, you had better respect mother nature or she will kill you.
Respect does not have to mean admiration or approval.
These four principles or concepts do not imply a pacifistic viewpoint or that you cannot have legitimate enemies.
I think you just refuse to honestly think about anything that I write, because you have some caricature of what you think the left must think in your head. Instead of pondering what anyone you label liberal says, you simply make up your own negative meanings in order to feed your own convictions.
What kind of nonsense is this? I’m not singing Kumba-Ya buddy.
[quote]vroom wrote:
You started this thread and invited our input by doing so. You then proceed to insult those who took the fucking time to respond to your touchee-feelee bs course. If you don’t want a response and can’t deal with, go whack off at your porn sites.
I don’t see what you are going off on here.
The guy in question has refused to understand that I am not actually calling for people to retaliate for terrorism by killing families or bombing mosques.
Somehow, to continue to accuse me of really supporting this viewpoint and refusing to participate in this thread because of, seems a bit out of touch.
I haven’t gone on to insult those participating, though I have offered insults back to those that have offered them to me.
Maybe you should look at the nature of your own posts Mr Kettle.[/quote]
You began the name-calling. I simply pointed out that you won’t get much benefit from a course if you don’t have a core philosophy.
What IS the core of your philosophy? Mine is that each person is an end in him/herself. No one should be forced to serve the needs of others – that’s a society of cannibals. A welfare-state, for example, is a cannibal state in the making. For this reason, I protest it vociferously.
You came on here talking about a touchee-feelee bs course where you want to learn how to relate to others. Your lib views have taught you to ‘respect your enemies’. How can you defend yourself or your ideas if you adopt such nonsense? Maybe if you spent some time in reality and not contemplating your navel in a bs course like that, you’d get some answers to your questions.
[quote]vroom wrote:
Yes, I respect someone who walks into daycare centers strapped with dynamite.
I respect those who’s stated goal is to kill me.
Double everything I said in the last 2 posts.
Headhunter,
At this rate, I’m not sure English is your first language!
When it is fifty below outside, you had better respect mother nature or she will kill you.
Respect does not have to mean admiration or approval.
These four principles or concepts do not imply a pacifistic viewpoint or that you cannot have legitimate enemies.
I think you just refuse to honestly think about anything that I write, because you have some caricature of what you think the left must think in your head. Instead of pondering what anyone you label liberal says, you simply make up your own negative meanings in order to feed your own convictions.
What kind of nonsense is this? I’m not singing Kumba-Ya buddy.[/quote]
“It all depends on what the meaning of the word IS, is.”
— William Jefferson Clinton
Where do you come up with this stuff? You wish this to be true I suppose. I said, specifically, that I was thinking of this stuff while the course outlined the failures of various theories over time. The course itself is not particularly touchy-feely.
In fact, the course has nothing at all to do with the thread per se.
You do realize it is very possible to respect an enemy and yet fight him to the bitter end. I guess you haven’t followed some of the respect between rivals in WWII? Often, throughout history, officers on opposing sides of a war would treat each other with respect. They were worthy opponents. Is that not real world enough for you?
And no, don’t get your panties bunched up for no reason, I’m not suggesting that terrorists deserve the same level of respect. What makes you think I would ever say such a thing?
If you were paying attention, you’d probably realize that the concepts mentioned are not very different than that espoused by religions. Obviously, religions and religious beliefs don’t stop us from defending ourselves or killing our enemies either. Is that real world enough for you?
Anyhow, I posted the thoughts here in order to get some feedback on them. Maybe at some point you will actually consider the points and offer some thoughts on the matter?
Also, I told you that I am liberal/libertarian. That should clue you in to my core beliefs. I believe that people should be free. It might also suprise you that I equate income tax with percentage slavery. However, unlike yourself, I feel that other types of taxation are allowable.
I also believe that in traditional society, neighbors helped one another in times of need. In current society, the bonds between people are weaker, but we should still preserve that aspect of our existence. Perhaps in a monetary economy this will go forward via taxation to support help programs.
I can see that you may not like that. I’m not saying you should. However, my thoughts on the matter are not navel searching, there are as real world as yours. Think about the early settlers, the issues they faced and the way they came together to solve them. That is real world.
Perhaps our society would be better if some of that real world cooperation was more prevalent in society today?
Finally, no, I am not claiming I’m a good example of these principles, though I have tried to moderate my comments somewhat since posting them. I’m sure that will only be temporary though.
You guys on the left are SO easy to set up: you came on here with the 4 bs principles. All I had to do was put out a little right-wing, Objectivist diatribe, and your ‘4 principles’ fell away. You began calling me ‘tool’ and ‘idiot’. Everything you allegedly felt so deeply about was just a load of crap and you became just another internet hate-slinger. How laughable.
I love exposing the Left for what it really is. Is it any wonder why the Dems are self-destructing?
Well, actually, if you want to be precise, I called you a tool and said you seemed like an idiot. There is a slight difference, but then, I’d not expect you to catch that.
Sadly, instead of considering these issues, you’d rather try to point out that I don’t exemplify these principles. Well Sherlock, I pointed that out already… you are a little late.
Anyway, keep posting, your own character is making itself very clear.
First off, I thought this thread was going to be about principles to live by (although it is not directly stated by vroom, “I’m trying to come up with something simple and fairly self-evident that most people would accept as a set of guidelines or principles.”).
I think the principles have to be seen in context of our environment/culture. Today I live in a world where everybody is considered equal by law. But this concept for the majority of people that has ever existed this would not be true (especially prior to the creation of the USA).
With that said, it would be nearly impossible to set self-evident principles/guidelines that most people would accept (as a whole, not within a culture). The “nurture” aspect seems to govern any core principles in any society. We as people adapt to the environment as need be (such as the people in the Milgram study). [NOTE: I might be butchering the study, but it was in regards to shocking people in the presence of an authority figure.]
That is my 2 pennies on the subject.
I’m curious though vroom, are you living by these principles? Based on my reading of this thread, I find myself questioning if you do. Things like name calling of posters is one reason why I question you. Was this thread food for thought or principles you would live by? [Yes, I do know I’m using the either or fallacy.]
I don’t think I qualify as being able to claim that I live by these principles.
However, that does not mean I can’t think about or talk about such things. Perhaps I could even strive to do better than I do.
Honestly, my concern is that there are so many ideologies that lead to conflict.
Perhaps it is possible to find an ideology that can help defuse other ideologies without attempting to do so via direct conflict or contradiction with existing ideologies.
It’s certainly not something that would be simple.