[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]aeyogi wrote:
Anyone read Freakonomics? In one chapter of the book, the author correlates decreased crime rates since the mid 90’s to the legalization of abortion 16 to 17 years prior to that time. If true, this makes the abortion discussion more interesting.[/quote]
Seems like a pretty absurd correlation.[/quote]
The author goes into much more detail than that and actually attempts to show causation.
It was pretty interesting.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]aeyogi wrote:
Anyone read Freakonomics? In one chapter of the book, the author correlates decreased crime rates since the mid 90’s to the legalization of abortion 16 to 17 years prior to that time. If true, this makes the abortion discussion more interesting.[/quote]
Seems like a pretty absurd correlation.[/quote]
The author goes into much more detail than that and actually attempts to show causation.
It was pretty interesting. [/quote]
Ya, I assumed it was more detailed and I’ve actually heard of this before. Although, I have not read it for myself.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]aeyogi wrote:
Anyone read Freakonomics? In one chapter of the book, the author correlates decreased crime rates since the mid 90’s to the legalization of abortion 16 to 17 years prior to that time. If true, this makes the abortion discussion more interesting.[/quote]
Seems like a pretty absurd correlation.[/quote]
The author goes into much more detail than that and actually attempts to show causation.
It was pretty interesting. [/quote]
Ya, I assumed it was more detailed and I’ve actually heard of this before. Although, I have not read it for myself. [/quote]
To do the argument justice, I would need to copy and paste much of the chapter from the book. However, if you consider that currently around 16% of babies are aborted in the US, a lot of unwanted children are prevented from growing up to become juvenile delinquents.
[quote]aeyogi wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]aeyogi wrote:
Anyone read Freakonomics? In one chapter of the book, the author correlates decreased crime rates since the mid 90’s to the legalization of abortion 16 to 17 years prior to that time. If true, this makes the abortion discussion more interesting.[/quote]
Seems like a pretty absurd correlation.[/quote]
The author goes into much more detail than that and actually attempts to show causation.
It was pretty interesting. [/quote]
Ya, I assumed it was more detailed and I’ve actually heard of this before. Although, I have not read it for myself. [/quote]
To do the argument justice, I would need to copy and paste much of the chapter from the book. However, if you consider that currently around 16% of babies are aborted in the US, a lot of unwanted children are prevented from growing up to become juvenile delinquents. [/quote]
True; however, I’d have a few follow up questions the first being who or what demographics are committing the abortions?
We are also talking about 1 parameter in a extremely (putting it lightly) complex system.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]aeyogi wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]aeyogi wrote:
Anyone read Freakonomics? In one chapter of the book, the author correlates decreased crime rates since the mid 90’s to the legalization of abortion 16 to 17 years prior to that time. If true, this makes the abortion discussion more interesting.[/quote]
Seems like a pretty absurd correlation.[/quote]
The author goes into much more detail than that and actually attempts to show causation.
It was pretty interesting. [/quote]
Ya, I assumed it was more detailed and I’ve actually heard of this before. Although, I have not read it for myself. [/quote]
To do the argument justice, I would need to copy and paste much of the chapter from the book. However, if you consider that currently around 16% of babies are aborted in the US, a lot of unwanted children are prevented from growing up to become juvenile delinquents. [/quote]
True; however, I’d have a few follow up questions the first being who or what demographics are committing the abortions?
We are also talking about 1 parameter in a extremely (putting it lightly) complex system. [/quote]
I read recently that 69% of abortions in the US are from low income. 40% are black and 30% are latina. So, most abortions are for poor minorities, and most crime is also committed by poor minorities.
[quote]aeyogi wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]aeyogi wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]aeyogi wrote:
Anyone read Freakonomics? In one chapter of the book, the author correlates decreased crime rates since the mid 90’s to the legalization of abortion 16 to 17 years prior to that time. If true, this makes the abortion discussion more interesting.[/quote]
Seems like a pretty absurd correlation.[/quote]
The author goes into much more detail than that and actually attempts to show causation.
It was pretty interesting. [/quote]
Ya, I assumed it was more detailed and I’ve actually heard of this before. Although, I have not read it for myself. [/quote]
To do the argument justice, I would need to copy and paste much of the chapter from the book. However, if you consider that currently around 16% of babies are aborted in the US, a lot of unwanted children are prevented from growing up to become juvenile delinquents. [/quote]
True; however, I’d have a few follow up questions the first being who or what demographics are committing the abortions?
We are also talking about 1 parameter in a extremely (putting it lightly) complex system. [/quote]
I read recently that 69% of abortions in the US are from low income. 40% are black and 30% are latina. So, most abortions are for poor minorities, and most crime is also committed by poor minorities.[/quote]
I’m not saying you’re wrong, but that seems off to me. I rarely see people in even middle class families with more than 3 kids, but I see families of lower incomes daily with 4+ kids.
Plus even if 16% of babies are aborted (don’t know if that’s accurate or not) I’d be curious to see how that coincides with population growth numbers wise. I would think coupled with population growth at least the same number of babies are born as were born in the 90s.
All of this of course also ignores innumerable cultural changes. The 90s were a lot different than the early 2,000s from what I remember anyway. Just like 2014 is way different than 2004.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]aeyogi wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]aeyogi wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]aeyogi wrote:
Anyone read Freakonomics? In one chapter of the book, the author correlates decreased crime rates since the mid 90’s to the legalization of abortion 16 to 17 years prior to that time. If true, this makes the abortion discussion more interesting.[/quote]
Seems like a pretty absurd correlation.[/quote]
The author goes into much more detail than that and actually attempts to show causation.
It was pretty interesting. [/quote]
Ya, I assumed it was more detailed and I’ve actually heard of this before. Although, I have not read it for myself. [/quote]
To do the argument justice, I would need to copy and paste much of the chapter from the book. However, if you consider that currently around 16% of babies are aborted in the US, a lot of unwanted children are prevented from growing up to become juvenile delinquents. [/quote]
True; however, I’d have a few follow up questions the first being who or what demographics are committing the abortions?
We are also talking about 1 parameter in a extremely (putting it lightly) complex system. [/quote]
I read recently that 69% of abortions in the US are from low income. 40% are black and 30% are latina. So, most abortions are for poor minorities, and most crime is also committed by poor minorities.[/quote]
I’m not saying you’re wrong, but that seems off to me. I rarely see people in even middle class families with more than 3 kids, but I see families of lower incomes daily with 4+ kids.
Plus even if 16% of babies are aborted (don’t know if that’s accurate or not) I’d be curious to see how that coincides with population growth numbers wise. I would think coupled with population growth at least the same number of babies are born as were born in the 90s.
All of this of course also ignores innumerable cultural changes. The 90s were a lot different than the early 2,000s from what I remember anyway. Just like 2014 is way different than 2004. [/quote]
Maybe this will help? https://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0101.pdf
whoops.
[quote]Stinkfist wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]aeyogi wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]aeyogi wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]aeyogi wrote:
Anyone read Freakonomics? In one chapter of the book, the author correlates decreased crime rates since the mid 90’s to the legalization of abortion 16 to 17 years prior to that time. If true, this makes the abortion discussion more interesting.[/quote]
Seems like a pretty absurd correlation.[/quote]
The author goes into much more detail than that and actually attempts to show causation.
It was pretty interesting. [/quote]
Ya, I assumed it was more detailed and I’ve actually heard of this before. Although, I have not read it for myself. [/quote]
To do the argument justice, I would need to copy and paste much of the chapter from the book. However, if you consider that currently around 16% of babies are aborted in the US, a lot of unwanted children are prevented from growing up to become juvenile delinquents. [/quote]
True; however, I’d have a few follow up questions the first being who or what demographics are committing the abortions?
We are also talking about 1 parameter in a extremely (putting it lightly) complex system. [/quote]
I read recently that 69% of abortions in the US are from low income. 40% are black and 30% are latina. So, most abortions are for poor minorities, and most crime is also committed by poor minorities.[/quote]
I’m not saying you’re wrong, but that seems off to me. I rarely see people in even middle class families with more than 3 kids, but I see families of lower incomes daily with 4+ kids.
Plus even if 16% of babies are aborted (don’t know if that’s accurate or not) I’d be curious to see how that coincides with population growth numbers wise. I would think coupled with population growth at least the same number of babies are born as were born in the 90s.
All of this of course also ignores innumerable cultural changes. The 90s were a lot different than the early 2,000s from what I remember anyway. Just like 2014 is way different than 2004. [/quote]
Maybe this will help? https://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0101.pdf [/quote]
Look at the rate per 1,000 it went way down.
OP, has your gf killed that baby yet or what?
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
All of this of course also ignores innumerable cultural changes. The 90s were a lot different than the early 2,000s from what I remember anyway. Just like 2014 is way different than 2004. [/quote]
Just curious, but what changes do you notice?
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
All of this of course also ignores innumerable cultural changes. The 90s were a lot different than the early 2,000s from what I remember anyway. Just like 2014 is way different than 2004. [/quote]
Just curious, but what changes do you notice?[/quote]
There have been all sorts of booms and busts that have created a lot of wealth and also sucked a lot of that same wealth straight down the drain. There have been numerous social programs instituted in the last 20 years, we elected a black president, we overwhelmingly supported the war in Iraq then as a society made a complete 180, etc… Times are much different now than in the 90s, which is again why I think the idea that legalized abortion = a reduction in crime would need a serious amount of data to hold any water. I mean, the Rodney King incident occurred in 1991. Think of all the changes since then.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
All of this of course also ignores innumerable cultural changes. The 90s were a lot different than the early 2,000s from what I remember anyway. Just like 2014 is way different than 2004. [/quote]
Just curious, but what changes do you notice?[/quote]
There have been all sorts of booms and busts that have created a lot of wealth and also sucked a lot of that same wealth straight down the drain. There have been numerous social programs instituted in the last 20 years, we elected a black president, we overwhelmingly supported the war in Iraq then as a society made a complete 180, etc… Times are much different now than in the 90s, which is again why I think the idea that legalized abortion = a reduction in crime would need a serious amount of data to hold any water. I mean, the Rodney King incident occurred in 1991. Think of all the changes since then.[/quote]
Not to mention just the aging population. Ages 14-25 are the peak years for criminal activity, and the boomers’ kids would have been right in that zone in the 90’s. Declining birth rates (due to many factors besides abortion, i.e. DINK yuppies in the 90’s) meant that those kids weren’t replaced at the speed at which they aged. Bad news for the economy and social infrastructure down the road, good news for crime rates.
I would also say that as a result of public outcry about the crime rates in the 90’s there was a shift from old style, response oriented policing to more proactive, intelligence based and community policing/crime prevention models. This had a huge impact as well. Jack Maples from NYPD and others led the charge on this.
But, yeah, abortion definitely saved the day…
There is a carrying capacity for Homo sapiens. By 2050, more people will be alive than have ever lived. Abortion is an amoral act in this context.
[quote]Bismark wrote:
There is a carrying capacity for Homo sapiens. By 2050, more people will be alive than have ever lived. Abortion is an amoral act in this context.[/quote]
If overpopulation is the issue, how is homicide of any kind not an amoral act?
I guess Hitler was amoral in this context…
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I guess Hitler was amoral in this context…[/quote]
People have been crying that over population will destroy the human race/earth/reality as we know it for quite a long time now. Quite a long time.
We’ve adapted and over come each time.
I’m not too worried about it.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I guess Hitler was amoral in this context…[/quote]
People have been crying that over population will destroy the human race/earth/reality as we know it for quite a long time now. Quite a long time.
We’ve adapted and over come each time.
I’m not too worried about it. [/quote]
Yup.