So yeah, if the Supreme Court doesn’t smack this one down (too), in a year’s time we will end services and/or drop health-care coverage. Don’t play with chicken with us, we can’t lose.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Hitler was a Catholic.
Lets not be delusional now.[/quote]
No, his parents were Catholic but he left the church after childhood.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Hitler was a Catholic.
Lets not be delusional now.[/quote]
He was an occultist. Born Catholic and being catholic is not the same thing. Don’t worry, you have atheist friends like Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao se tung and Castro pulling the heavy load for Team Atheist.[/quote]
So what you’re saying is he wasn’t an atheist?[/quote]
Hitler? No, he and his cronies were very much into the occult. That didn’t stop him from trying to butter up the church early on, but that was all political. He cooked a couple million Catholics in those ovens too.[/quote]
The church played ball.[/quote]
In 1933 when nobody knew what he was. They quickly changed their tune and were responsible for a pretty extensive underground railroad saving thousands.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Yep.
It’s just a little hard to resist these obvious lies that are continually posted.
killed in the name of atheism
Hitler was an atheist
Atheism is a religion
[/quote]
There is no logic to your point and I’ll explain why. If someone says that atheism is wrong then by logical extension all atheists are on the wrong path. However, if you want to claim that Christianity is wrong then - how does using examples of what you claim are “Christians” doing great evil prove anything? What is it supposed to prove? And Hitler lost his mild interest in Catholicism at the age of 15 before he was even the ‘Hitler’ that he became.
Find some other people who actually professed to be Christians rather than atheists and then explain what it’s supposed to prove.[/quote]
We’ve gone 'round and 'round on this issue and he has thoroughly lost the debate each and every time.
To a certain extent it is fruitless to have a debate with someone that involves history when the other party is so, so, so grossly ignorant of history.
Only a history idiot would try and promote the idea that Hitler was a Catholic. It’s the same as saying Stalin was Georgian Orthodox. Sure he attended religious school as a youth but he obviously was not a Georgian (or Russian Orthodox) in the context of the part of his life where he was an influential leader which is the context of the discussion.
Same with Hitler.
Darwin was an Anglican in his early life. Do we remember him and discuss him as an Anglican? Did he practice Anglicism in the portion of his life where he made his mark in this world?
Good grief, Hitler was no Catholic. What a lame argument.[/quote]
And do you think he was an atheist?
[/quote]
Again, he was an occultist.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
So yeah, if the Supreme Court doesn’t smack this one down (too), in a year’s time we will end services and/or drop health-care coverage. Don’t play with chicken with us, we can’t lose.[/quote]
Yeah, I like this whole “We’ve reviewed it and we think it’s fair.” Crap. They sorely underestimate the measure of our resolve. We don’t answer to them. They will lose.
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Hitler was a Catholic.
Lets not be delusional now.[/quote]
He was an occultist. Born Catholic and being catholic is not the same thing. Don’t worry, you have atheist friends like Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao se tung and Castro pulling the heavy load for Team Atheist.[/quote]
So what you’re saying is he wasn’t an atheist?[/quote]
Hitler? No, he and his cronies were very much into the occult. That didn’t stop him from trying to butter up the church early on, but that was all political. He cooked a couple million Catholics in those ovens too.[/quote]
The church played ball.[/quote]
In 1933 when nobody knew what he was. They quickly changed their tune and were responsible for a pretty extensive underground railroad saving thousands.[/quote]
What you wrote is is hotly disputed.
Some argue the Pope chose to stay silent on the Holocaust.
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Yep.
It’s just a little hard to resist these obvious lies that are continually posted.
killed in the name of atheism
Hitler was an atheist
Atheism is a religion
[/quote]
There is no logic to your point and I’ll explain why. If someone says that atheism is wrong then by logical extension all atheists are on the wrong path. However, if you want to claim that Christianity is wrong then - how does using examples of what you claim are “Christians” doing great evil prove anything? What is it supposed to prove? And Hitler lost his mild interest in Catholicism at the age of 15 before he was even the ‘Hitler’ that he became.
Find some other people who actually professed to be Christians rather than atheists and then explain what it’s supposed to prove.[/quote]
We’ve gone 'round and 'round on this issue and he has thoroughly lost the debate each and every time.
To a certain extent it is fruitless to have a debate with someone that involves history when the other party is so, so, so grossly ignorant of history.
Only a history idiot would try and promote the idea that Hitler was a Catholic. It’s the same as saying Stalin was Georgian Orthodox. Sure he attended religious school as a youth but he obviously was not a Georgian (or Russian Orthodox) in the context of the part of his life where he was an influential leader which is the context of the discussion.
Same with Hitler.
Darwin was an Anglican in his early life. Do we remember him and discuss him as an Anglican? Did he practice Anglicism in the portion of his life where he made his mark in this world?
Good grief, Hitler was no Catholic. What a lame argument.[/quote]
And do you think he was an atheist?
[/quote]
Again, he was an occultist.[/quote]
I know what you said, that’s why if you look the post I was quoting pushharder.
Without hesitation he posted a dunce cap picture while quoting my post, yet didn’t speak up when defenderoftruth said Hitler was an atheist.
So except for believing Hitler wasn’t a Catholic, I’m not sure where he stands.
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
So yeah, if the Supreme Court doesn’t smack this one down (too), in a year’s time we will end services and/or drop health-care coverage. Don’t play with chicken with us, we can’t lose.[/quote]
Yeah, I like this whole “We’ve reviewed it and we think it’s fair.” Crap. They sorely underestimate the measure of our resolve. We don’t answer to them. They will lose.[/quote]
Lions couldn’t stop us. Lions, dude! What could they possibly do? Pfft.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
So yeah, if the Supreme Court doesn’t smack this one down (too), in a year’s time we will end services and/or drop health-care coverage. Don’t play with chicken with us, we can’t lose.[/quote]
Yeah, I like this whole “We’ve reviewed it and we think it’s fair.” Crap. They sorely underestimate the measure of our resolve. We don’t answer to them. They will lose.[/quote]
Lions couldn’t stop us. Lions, dude! What could they possibly do? Pfft.[/quote]
I dont think that you really want to know.
[quote]therajraj wrote:<<< And do you think he was an atheist? >>>[/quote]He weren’t no Christian.
That’s great. I’m with ya here btw. I DO NOT want your church strong armed into obedience to this Marxist magisterium.
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Yep. Well, guess some folks will have to lose their insurance coverage. And that’ll be the result of this, by the way. [/quote]
That is exactly what will happen. It isn’t the contraceptives as much as the mandate also includes abortion services and previously said abortion medications.
What choice is there? The church, in good conscience, support these abominations on it’s dime. It goes against what we believe. If we accepted it as is, then our words mean nothing. So we have to refuse this.
It is a fact that this health bill is the largest expansion of abortion services on the tax payer dime in the history of the U.S. [/quote]
So, I have a question: My mother, who is anti-Catholic, ended up working for a Catholic-associated hospital. Because of this, she would not have had birth control etc, in her health plan? Why should she, a NON-Catholic not have the advantages of other health plans? Why should she be subject to Catholic dogma when she is NOT Catholic? There are many non-Catholics who work for Catholic-associated businesses. Why should Catholics force their dogma on non-Catholics? Why can’t Protestants force their dogmas (allowing birth control, for example) on Catholics? Besides, the law isn’t saying that Catholics HAVE to take birth control, just to allow the option in their health plans.
[quote]Grneyes wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Yep. Well, guess some folks will have to lose their insurance coverage. And that’ll be the result of this, by the way. [/quote]
That is exactly what will happen. It isn’t the contraceptives as much as the mandate also includes abortion services and previously said abortion medications.
What choice is there? The church, in good conscience, support these abominations on it’s dime. It goes against what we believe. If we accepted it as is, then our words mean nothing. So we have to refuse this.
It is a fact that this health bill is the largest expansion of abortion services on the tax payer dime in the history of the U.S. [/quote]
So, I have a question: My mother, who is anti-Catholic, ended up working for a Catholic-associated hospital. Because of this, she would not have had birth control etc, in her health plan? Why should she, a NON-Catholic not have the advantages of other health plans? Why should she be subject to Catholic dogma when she is NOT Catholic?
[/quote]
Because she voluntarily agreed to work for a Catholic associated hospital. And they were kind enough to offer her a wage and whatever other benefits that don’t interfere with their association.
[quote]Grneyes wrote:
Why can’t Protestants force their dogmas (allowing birth control, for example) on Catholics?
[/quote]
Um, if a Catholic works outside of Catholic organization, receives insurance, and that insurance covers birth control, then birth control is already allowed in the plan despite an individual Catholic’s belief.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]Grneyes wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Yep. Well, guess some folks will have to lose their insurance coverage. And that’ll be the result of this, by the way. [/quote]
That is exactly what will happen. It isn’t the contraceptives as much as the mandate also includes abortion services and previously said abortion medications.
What choice is there? The church, in good conscience, support these abominations on it’s dime. It goes against what we believe. If we accepted it as is, then our words mean nothing. So we have to refuse this.
It is a fact that this health bill is the largest expansion of abortion services on the tax payer dime in the history of the U.S. [/quote]
So, I have a question: My mother, who is anti-Catholic, ended up working for a Catholic-associated hospital. Because of this, she would not have had birth control etc, in her health plan? Why should she, a NON-Catholic not have the advantages of other health plans? Why should she be subject to Catholic dogma when she is NOT Catholic?
[/quote]
Because she voluntarily agreed to work for a Catholic associated hospital. And they were kind enough to offer her a wage and whatever other benefits that don’t interfere with their association.
[/quote]
Kind enough to offer a wage? WTF? Like they had an OPTION? Health plans should be equal, no matter who you work for and what religion they or you are associated with. Marriott considers your birthday a paid holiday. Now, if you’re a Jehovah’s Witness, you don’t celebrate your birthday. Would they still be eligible for that? Or should Marriott exclude Jehovah’s Witnesses from their paid holiday policy? Jews don’t get paid holidays for say, Hanukkah or Passover or Rosh Hashanah, Muslims don’t get paid holidays for Ramadan. What makes the Catholics so much better than them that they get their own health plan rules, based on their religion? Fuck this shit. Religion should not be involved in any way in politics.
Letter at Mass today from bishop: We will NOT comply.
Freeeeeeedom!
[quote]Grneyes wrote:
Kind enough to offer a wage? WTF? Like they had an OPTION?[/quote]
Well, sure. They could have decided to not hire at all, and hired someone more grateful.
To hell they should. Buy it on your own.
What kind of rambling nonsense did you just vomit onto this thread? These are OUR associations. Our hospitals, schools, and orphanage. Run as OUR religious associations, tied to OUR faith and OUR community. Who these institutions hire, help, or what they offer, to those outside of OUR beliefs, is OUR charitable prerogative. I’m sorry your…ahem, community…can produce no equivalent. That it’s so bankrupt that you’d want to use the power of the government to piggy-back on–no, hijack–OURS. Too bad, we aren’t complying. No way, no how. Religion involved in politics? You’re the mini-tyrant wanting the power of government to dictate what we have to offer in OUR benefits, at OUR institutions, when a perspective employee accepts OUR offer.
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