[quote]TheKraken wrote:
340 is pretty fuck’n fat. I was/am a solid but chub 300 at 6ft 1 ish. A fatty here and there is sometimes the price of doing business, but if he can close this he can close that. I’d mark it as practice. I always had great luck with latinas becuase they like a big man, and I like latinas. The only asian girl I was successful with was a troll, but enjoyable anyway, such is life.
There are lots of good talkers but closing is where the rubber meets the…, anyways being interested in her, not just her ass but her, is important. She always wants to feel desirable, but not easily attainable. Listen to what she says, most people will leave a door open for you to close if there is a chance. Needless to say everything is positive in that chat, for fucks sake no complaints about ex’s, luck or jobs.
I’m a funny mutha in real life so humor was my best tool. Making her laugh is potent and finding the line between confidence and arrogance is gold. I always tried to keep a Sinatra, Don Drapper, “I might be worth your time and you might be worth mine so lets see where it goes,” attitude. [/quote]
Interesting, I figured it would be fairly standard advice. I guess what a lot of it boils down to is having the self confidence to pursue women outside your looks level. Women seem to be much more forgiving in the looks department.
And I agree with humor for women or any social situation really. People like to laugh. [/quote]
Yeah, its not rocket surgery. Practice builds confidence and that builds success. Thankfully you’re right for the most part, women are more forgiving on looks. I think the X factor is actually tuning into the attitude. Many people are not honest with themselves enough to notice that they sound like an asshole of one variety or another. And a lot of people are just to afraid of failure to try in the first place.
From the looks of people who I see shacking up with another, I’d say 99% of men can get a woman. Usually when I say this, someone will reply with, “Yeah, but are those women gonna be hot?” or “Who are you to say that? I’ve seen Quasimodo type dudes who’ve landed hot chics. Any man who puts his mind to it can get what he wants.”
Good luck with that!
Get this: if one is not rich or exceptionally handsome, talented, powerful, resourceful, and so on, it’s highly likely he will wind up with a hot chic and it will serve him well to steer clear of television, internet, and porn induced fantasy, and get a woman who resembles him looks and interest wise and socioeconomically.
Or he can buy PUA study guides to “build game” and “develop a more assertive personality” and go through the Sisyphean task of aiming to land a hot, popular woman who likely operates in a reality completely foreign to him and who likely will not give him the time of day.
If you’re a 5, go for a 5. If you have the looks of Robert Redford in his prime or come from a powerful family, then you will not need much else provided you can interact with other human beings and know how to fornicate.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
From the looks of people who I see shacking up with another, I’d say 99% of men can get a woman. Usually when I say this, someone will reply with, “Yeah, but are those women gonna be hot?” or “Who are you to say that? I’ve seen Quasimodo type dudes who’ve landed hot chics. Any man who puts his mind to it can get what he wants.”
Good luck with that!
Get this: if one is not rich or exceptionally handsome, talented, powerful, resourceful, and so on, it’s highly likely he will wind up with a hot chic and it will serve him well to steer clear of television, internet, and porn induced fantasy, and get a woman who resembles him looks and interest wise and socioeconomically.
Or he can buy PUA study guides to “build game” and “develop a more assertive personality” and go through the Sisyphean task of aiming to land a hot, popular woman who likely operates in a reality completely foreign to him and who likely will not give him the time of day.
If you’re a 5, go for a 5. If you have the looks of Robert Redford in his prime or come from a powerful family, then you will not need much else provided you can interact with other human beings and know how to fornicate. [/quote]
Yeah well, if you are a 5 you wont get a 5 unless she has gotten her brains fucked out by an 8 while she was all that and a bag of chips.
Now, that she is 30+ she has learned oh so much, meaning, she no longer can compete with tight 20 year olds and you can pay a high price for leftovers.
Better learn game and fuck sloars while they are still hot.
Meanwhile, build up your empire and get a decent girl to start a family.
Thats the game they are playing, why not play it ourselves?
I have read these sort of statements by you before, and just going forward, I am not here to e-fight with you, just express what I feel, even if it conflicts with your feelings and beliefs. Again, no e-fighting here, just conflicting statements.
[quote]orion wrote:
Yeah well, if you are a 5 you wont get a 5 unless she has gotten her brains fucked out by an 8 while she was all that and a bag of chips. [/quote]
When you speak like this, it seems as what you’re saying is very out of touch. I don’t even know where you get this stuff from. Perhaps it’s because most women I see, know, am friends with, and work with (I work with very few males), are fairly stable mentally, lead pretty normal lives, maybe a tad boring lives, though that’s not a bad thing.
I have no idea what you speak of and such talk leads me to seriously believe men are watching too much goddamn porn and TV shows. I can be wrong.
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Now, that she is 30+ she has learned oh so much, meaning, she no longer can compete with tight 20 year olds and you can pay a high price for leftovers. [/quote]
Most 20 year old women–most human beings, that is–are ordinary looking or just “cute”. I also didn’t know you were speaking of the 30+ demographic solely.
What is the high price to pay? Socialize and go on dates with women that match you? Possibly get a girlfriend or a wife out of it, one that suits you, rather than some outrageous, unfulfilling fantasy and utter strife in attempts to get women that are already shacked up, have dozens of far more powerful, highly social and connected, and good looking men knocking on her door and proposing marriage.
If people want to live in la-la PUA land, that’s fine.
It’s also a cynical and misogynistic view on women, and men like that tend to be alone as women know what’s up with these bitter, angry dudes.
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Better learn game and fuck sloars while they are still hot. [/quote]
Let me know how this goes. Yeah, where are all these drop dead gorgeous women that behave like pornstars and prostitutes and the dudes that are so rockstar-attractive that can add hundreds of notches to their bed posts.
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Meanwhile, build up your empire and get a decent girl to start a family. [/quote]
Right, because every guy earns a mid-six-to-seven figure salary and will eventually “settle down” and propose to that knockout he had his eyes on, the one that would “make a good mother”.
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Thats the game they are playing, why not play it ourselves?[/quote]
I admit that now more than ever, the dating game is a nightmare because of the decrease in human quality over the past few decades and these types of posts alone show that society has gone batshit crazy, and because of this, there are LOADS of desperate, lonely men who in healthier times would have been shacked up by 22 years old.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
I have read these sort of statements by you before, and just going forward, I am not here to e-fight with you, just express what I feel, even if it conflicts with your feelings and beliefs. Again, no e-fighting here, just conflicting statements.
[quote]orion wrote:
Yeah well, if you are a 5 you wont get a 5 unless she has gotten her brains fucked out by an 8 while she was all that and a bag of chips. [/quote]
When you speak like this, it seems as what you’re saying is very out of touch. I don’t even know where you get this stuff from. Perhaps it’s because most women I see, know, am friends with, and work with (I work with very few males), are fairly stable mentally, lead pretty normal lives, maybe a tad boring lives, though that’s not a bad thing.
I have no idea what you speak of and such talk leads me to seriously believe men are watching too much goddamn porn and TV shows. I can be wrong.
[quote]
Now, that she is 30+ she has learned oh so much, meaning, she no longer can compete with tight 20 year olds and you can pay a high price for leftovers. [/quote]
Most 20 year old women–most human beings, that is–are ordinary looking or just “cute”. I also didn’t know you were speaking of the 30+ demographic solely.
What is the high price to pay? Socialize and go on dates with women that match you? Possibly get a girlfriend or a wife out of it, one that suits you, rather than some outrageous, unfulfilling fantasy and utter strife in attempts to get women that are already shacked up, have dozens of far more powerful, highly social and connected, and good looking men knocking on her door and proposing marriage.
If people want to live in la-la PUA land, that’s fine.
It’s also a cynical and misogynistic view on women, and men like that tend to be alone as women know what’s up with these bitter, angry dudes.
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Better learn game and fuck sloars while they are still hot. [/quote]
Let me know how this goes. Yeah, where are all these drop dead gorgeous women that behave like pornstars and prostitutes and the dudes that are so rockstar-attractive that can add hundreds of notches to their bed posts.
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Meanwhile, build up your empire and get a decent girl to start a family. [/quote]
Right, because every guy earns a mid-six-to-seven figure salary and will eventually “settle down” and propose to that knockout he had his eyes on, the one that would “make a good mother”.
Well, I am not quite sure if my personal experiences are any yardstick, probably not.
You have to understand though that for me the understanding of the female psyche and a course of action regarding how to deal with it made a monstrous difference.
Like in, how is that guy is with her difference, and I am not exactly Quasimodo.
So, I am sort of biased.
But, biased as I am, I still believe that women, female primates without a vomeronasal system that they are are basically hypergamous, based on visual clues and that that creates an emergent structure where some men drown in pussy when others stay thirsty.
Now, those other dudes will be lured in with the promise of water if those broads had their alpha fux and are ready for their beta bux stage of life.
Alas, female sexual allure is based on youth and beauty and therefore fleeting and yes, if you even have a somewhat decent job and are somewhat socially savvy and are somewhat fit you can have your choice of the litter 30 years and up.
Just know that she does not really want you, she just could not get the one she really wanted.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
I have read these sort of statements by you before, and just going forward, I am not here to e-fight with you, just express what I feel, even if it conflicts with your feelings and beliefs. Again, no e-fighting here, just conflicting statements.
[quote]orion wrote:
Yeah well, if you are a 5 you wont get a 5 unless she has gotten her brains fucked out by an 8 while she was all that and a bag of chips. [/quote]
When you speak like this, it seems as what you’re saying is very out of touch. I don’t even know where you get this stuff from. Perhaps it’s because most women I see, know, am friends with, and work with (I work with very few males), are fairly stable mentally, lead pretty normal lives, maybe a tad boring lives, though that’s not a bad thing.
I have no idea what you speak of and such talk leads me to seriously believe men are watching too much goddamn porn and TV shows. I can be wrong.
[quote]
Now, that she is 30+ she has learned oh so much, meaning, she no longer can compete with tight 20 year olds and you can pay a high price for leftovers. [/quote]
Most 20 year old women–most human beings, that is–are ordinary looking or just “cute”. I also didn’t know you were speaking of the 30+ demographic solely.
What is the high price to pay? Socialize and go on dates with women that match you? Possibly get a girlfriend or a wife out of it, one that suits you, rather than some outrageous, unfulfilling fantasy and utter strife in attempts to get women that are already shacked up, have dozens of far more powerful, highly social and connected, and good looking men knocking on her door and proposing marriage.
If people want to live in la-la PUA land, that’s fine.
It’s also a cynical and misogynistic view on women, and men like that tend to be alone as women know what’s up with these bitter, angry dudes.
[quote]
Better learn game and fuck sloars while they are still hot. [/quote]
Let me know how this goes. Yeah, where are all these drop dead gorgeous women that behave like pornstars and prostitutes and the dudes that are so rockstar-attractive that can add hundreds of notches to their bed posts.
[quote]
Meanwhile, build up your empire and get a decent girl to start a family. [/quote]
Right, because every guy earns a mid-six-to-seven figure salary and will eventually “settle down” and propose to that knockout he had his eyes on, the one that would “make a good mother”.
nah bro there are a decent chunk of overconfident average looking chicks who think they deserve the hottest men around
it makes sense too, recently a couple posted a pics of their post diet results and they god absolutely murdered in the comments, compared to another pic where a fat chick was told how pretty and sexy she was
Just know that she does not really want you, she just could not get the one she really wanted.
Unless you are her first, you know. [/quote]
I’ve heard this line of shit before, and, sorry, I find it insulting and disingenuous. My fiance fawns over me, pampers me, and spoils me. And some others on this board have wives, girlfriends, and fiances as well. To say stuff like this generally IS rude or can come across as rude. It’s ballsy to say to some of us that the mothers of our kids or future kids don’t want us deep down if we weren’t initially high school sweethearts–like really ballsy.
This PUA stuff seems like the most self defeating and depressing crap I have ever heard of. You HAVE TO have something wrong with you or believe that there is something wrong with you to buy into it.
Women can determine within a few seconds if she will give you the time of day. Women will never admit to being this physically/visually critical, but they are. Most of the time, it’s the guy who opens his mouth and talks himself out of getting in her vag. I look back now being older, at how utterly fucking stupid I was with really hot women in my 20’s, only to realize that I could have taxed more ass than the government. But I opened my mouth and stuck my both feet in.
Looking good and having confidence will get her clothes off, but not sounding like a tool will get your cock in her brain.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
I have read these sort of statements by you before, and just going forward, I am not here to e-fight with you, just express what I feel, even if it conflicts with your feelings and beliefs. Again, no e-fighting here, just conflicting statements.
[quote]orion wrote:
Yeah well, if you are a 5 you wont get a 5 unless she has gotten her brains fucked out by an 8 while she was all that and a bag of chips. [/quote]
When you speak like this, it seems as what you’re saying is very out of touch. I don’t even know where you get this stuff from. Perhaps it’s because most women I see, know, am friends with, and work with (I work with very few males), are fairly stable mentally, lead pretty normal lives, maybe a tad boring lives, though that’s not a bad thing.
I have no idea what you speak of and such talk leads me to seriously believe men are watching too much goddamn porn and TV shows. I can be wrong.
[quote]
Now, that she is 30+ she has learned oh so much, meaning, she no longer can compete with tight 20 year olds and you can pay a high price for leftovers. [/quote]
Most 20 year old women–most human beings, that is–are ordinary looking or just “cute”. I also didn’t know you were speaking of the 30+ demographic solely.
What is the high price to pay? Socialize and go on dates with women that match you? Possibly get a girlfriend or a wife out of it, one that suits you, rather than some outrageous, unfulfilling fantasy and utter strife in attempts to get women that are already shacked up, have dozens of far more powerful, highly social and connected, and good looking men knocking on her door and proposing marriage.
If people want to live in la-la PUA land, that’s fine.
It’s also a cynical and misogynistic view on women, and men like that tend to be alone as women know what’s up with these bitter, angry dudes.
[quote]
Better learn game and fuck sloars while they are still hot. [/quote]
Let me know how this goes. Yeah, where are all these drop dead gorgeous women that behave like pornstars and prostitutes and the dudes that are so rockstar-attractive that can add hundreds of notches to their bed posts.
You just reiterated what I just said, only in different words: we have a hypergamous society in which women are aiming for the moon or the silliest, most unattainable shit in the world, leaving many men desperate. Back in the day, any middle class schlub–a baker, a bus driver, a mailman, etc.–got a woman rather easily, sooner rather than later in life. Not many women had delusions of nabbing a Simon Baker look-alike and men weren’t deluding themselves into thinking that if they had enough “game” they could nab Marilyn Monroe or Pola Negri.
This thread took a predictable turn from an aging fat guy reminiscing to some heavy socioeconomics theories and the modern dating scene. In my humble opinion, what I’ve seen of the current scene is that there are less guys and girls with game out there. Everyone thinks a “sup” text on FB will lead to the bedroom. It makes me want to come out of retirement. Even fatter and grayer it seems the competition has thinned and anyone who can string some pretty words together, or maybe just some words, would be such a novelty nothing else would matter.
This thread took a predictable turn from an aging fat guy reminiscing to some heavy socioeconomics theories and the modern dating scene. In my humble opinion, what I’ve seen of the current scene is that there are less guys and girls with game out there. Everyone thinks a “sup” text on FB will lead to the bedroom. It makes me want to come out of retirement. Even fatter and grayer it seems the competition has thinned and anyone who can string some pretty words together, or maybe just some words, would be such a novelty nothing else would matter.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
This PUA stuff seems like the most self defeating and depressing crap I have ever heard of. You HAVE TO have something wrong with you or believe that there is something wrong with you to buy into it.
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Depending on how much you have bought into the official narrative itcan be depressing, yes.
But to run away from depressing thoughts is not exactly mature either.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
I have read these sort of statements by you before, and just going forward, I am not here to e-fight with you, just express what I feel, even if it conflicts with your feelings and beliefs. Again, no e-fighting here, just conflicting statements.
[quote]orion wrote:
Yeah well, if you are a 5 you wont get a 5 unless she has gotten her brains fucked out by an 8 while she was all that and a bag of chips. [/quote]
When you speak like this, it seems as what you’re saying is very out of touch. I don’t even know where you get this stuff from. Perhaps it’s because most women I see, know, am friends with, and work with (I work with very few males), are fairly stable mentally, lead pretty normal lives, maybe a tad boring lives, though that’s not a bad thing.
I have no idea what you speak of and such talk leads me to seriously believe men are watching too much goddamn porn and TV shows. I can be wrong.
[quote]
Now, that she is 30+ she has learned oh so much, meaning, she no longer can compete with tight 20 year olds and you can pay a high price for leftovers. [/quote]
Most 20 year old women–most human beings, that is–are ordinary looking or just “cute”. I also didn’t know you were speaking of the 30+ demographic solely.
What is the high price to pay? Socialize and go on dates with women that match you? Possibly get a girlfriend or a wife out of it, one that suits you, rather than some outrageous, unfulfilling fantasy and utter strife in attempts to get women that are already shacked up, have dozens of far more powerful, highly social and connected, and good looking men knocking on her door and proposing marriage.
If people want to live in la-la PUA land, that’s fine.
It’s also a cynical and misogynistic view on women, and men like that tend to be alone as women know what’s up with these bitter, angry dudes.
[quote]
Better learn game and fuck sloars while they are still hot. [/quote]
Let me know how this goes. Yeah, where are all these drop dead gorgeous women that behave like pornstars and prostitutes and the dudes that are so rockstar-attractive that can add hundreds of notches to their bed posts.
Yup, and if those are only 20-30% of the dating market, they change the rules for everyone.
Just know that she does not really want you, she just could not get the one she really wanted.
Unless you are her first, you know. [/quote]
I’ve heard this line of shit before, and, sorry, I find it insulting and disingenuous. My fiance fawns over me, pampers me, and spoils me. And some others on this board have wives, girlfriends, and fiances as well. To say stuff like this generally IS rude or can come across as rude. It’s ballsy to say to some of us that the mothers of our kids or future kids don’t want us deep down if we weren’t initially high school sweethearts–like really ballsy. [/quote]
Thats not ballsy at all, that is a logical deduction if my premises regarding the female mind are correct.
Then it would be true.
Its not that I particularly like it, I dont, but whatchyagonnado?
You are not saying that I am wrong because I hurt the feelz, I am not on jezebel.com am I?
PS: The somewhat good news is women, apparently, can love!
Ja!
MRIs have apparently shown that the same regions light up like when a man loves. They just can unlove you pretty quickly if the reasons for their “love” no longer exists.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
This PUA stuff seems like the most self defeating and depressing crap I have ever heard of. You HAVE TO have something wrong with you or believe that there is something wrong with you to buy into it.
[/quote]
Depending on how much you have bought into the official narrative itcan be depressing, yes.
But to run away from depressing thoughts is not exactly mature either. [/quote]
I think you have to be somewhat depressed to buy into the official narrative, then the official narrative makes it worse.
It’s not like running away from depressing thoughts, but more like running in the wrong direction to seek proof of that which you already believe.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
This PUA stuff seems like the most self defeating and depressing crap I have ever heard of. You HAVE TO have something wrong with you or believe that there is something wrong with you to buy into it.
[/quote]
Depending on how much you have bought into the official narrative itcan be depressing, yes.
But to run away from depressing thoughts is not exactly mature either. [/quote]
I think you have to be somewhat depressed to buy into the official narrative, then the official narrative makes it worse.
It’s not like running away from depressing thoughts, but more like running in the wrong direction to seek proof of that which you already believe.
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The danger of a cognitive bias exists, yes, but whenitz comes to true game.it either works or it does not.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
This PUA stuff seems like the most self defeating and depressing crap I have ever heard of. You HAVE TO have something wrong with you or believe that there is something wrong with you to buy into it.[/quote]
The seedy connotations related to PUA stuff, that’s obviously straightfwd. To draw a loose analogy to that lifting thing we do, it’s maybe the equivalent of “lifting to get chicks” and what that mentality reflects.
However, in this increasingly emasculated society where ‘men acting like men’ is hardly ubiquitous anymore, the portion of that content that espouses an adjusted-mentality/self-improvement/carrying-oneself-properly/etc is sorely needed.
So back to the lifting analogy, it’s like how ‘acquired self-discipline’ eventually carries over into other aspects of life, and how ‘intensity + consistency’ absolutely guarantees results, etc. And along the way, lifting to get chicks has become incidental.
So that’s my point: the focus on self-improvement is certainly worthwhile. As a wise blog states it, “A woman may want financial and family security, but she does not want passion security.” Of course, everyone is on-board with the former but only a minority intuitively enacts the latter. And now more can (and obviously should).