I’m a 36 year old corpo slave that’s been suffering from low testosterone for several years now, I believe my issues stem from Abusing steroids starting when I was 19 years old for blasts up to 5grams EW for periods of up to a year at times, during that time I would pop dianabol as fruity loops as well together with Halotestin to spice things up…as you can tell I wasn’t really the sharpest knife in the drawer as young…to keep a long story short, I wisened up one day and went on a 3 month long taper PCT with nolva, clomid and HCG…initially the testicles were nice and plump and libido was ok…
well somewhere along the way…life happened…I got a corporate job in IT support which took all of my time…and Gym became something of the past…a good 7 years passed since I last touched any anabolics of any kind…until…first recently I got full blown ED…a tire around the midsection…back pain, sluggishness, irritability…musce weakness ( all of the typical low T symptoms) so I thought dang, maybe I should try to get healthy again and start dieting and exercising…I did and for a good 6 months I was on a caloric deficit and trained 5 days a week…and only lost 6lbs!! now here is where together with DOMS that lasted for a week, after every lifting session…I figured something must be messed up hormonally…so I went and did a bloodtest which confirmed my suspicions… on a range of 280-1100 ng/dl testosterone mine was at 208
a couple of more blood tests confirmed the same.
I managed to get NEBIDO as a TRT ( only available option) and my Endocrinologist seems semi-competent…hes thinking to place me on a every 8 week injection instead of the typical 14 weeks…which would equate to a 125 mg test/week.
Now I understand, NEBIDO takes heckuva time to build up in the system…and I see unfortunately lots of people complaining about it on the forums ( the satisfied ones are probably too busy living life to the max) thats why I have decided to start a little journal here with weekly updates on how I feel. first injection was 10 days ago and next blood test will be done in 8 weeks from now followed with blood tests every 2 months
Week 1-2:
I’ve slowly started to gain some very, very light energy back from having been in total fatigue entire days at work previously.
I get double the ammount of work done compared as to before (however still no mega bursts of energy and crazy libido I used to have on AAS cycles…) I will be realistic and understand considering I’m on Nebido…it’s most likely all placebo except for some small increases in well being as Im far away still from having reached steady state levels
Small update. Since Nebido will take some time to reach steady state. I have decided to do a 50mg clomid every 3 days, just to keep the pituitary firing for as long as possible, atleast until the inevitable shutdown of the testicles happen, this to not run on a completely empty tank until the testosterone kicks in. I have a very hectic schedule at work and exercising on the few days off, i cant afford to be like a zombie for 3 months. The spacing between the clomid should be fine to avoid any of the clomid sides
Why not pin it even more often with smaller doses? It can only be a good thing right and lead to more stable levels. I read somewhere people reporting that this was the best trt option they had ever experienced
Considering i just started the TRT protocol, its in my interest to keep my T levels “lowish” until the first bloodwork is due in midmarch, because that will be the 2.5 month mark, and my doctor told me if its low by then , he will allow me to go on a e8 week injection interval and the blood tests would be less frequent (spaced every six months apart) this would allow me to do more frequent injections like 250mg e2w , however if first blood test since start of TRT comes back…im sure my doc will realize im going against his instructions on the injection interval and might perhaps even cut me off TRT altogether…
Yes but then there’s no point in using it in the first place if you’re going to inject weekly. Its purpose is for people who don’t like to pin and/or is usually prescribed by docs who pin their patients… NHS etc. I suppose if he has the option to do it sure why not, but then again if he had options, don’t choose Nebido.
He did clarify that he’s pinning himself after my first post so I agree if this is his only doc option, his only Testosterone option, etc start pinning more often. I kind of assumed the way he kept saying Nebido he was in Europe as it’s Aveed in the US.
I am very familiar with the long half life. But many people are pinning it ew or e2w, smaller quantities. And reporting it’s better than pinning test-e or test cyp (they feel better)
Search on Google if you want to see their experiences
Also read his original post, he says Nebido is the only option he has. So it’s all about context
See my post above. I’m not saying you’re wrong, but it’s not the purpose of Undecanote. That’s all I was getting at. If you’re going to pin more often seek better options.
If he’s in Europe no, if he’s in the US theres always other options.
Dude, I’m agreeing with you. I’m just reading the context as this Endo is only providing this option. It’s like going to a bad cancer doc in the USA and saying well his plan is my only option. Seek another Endo or go to a men’s clinic like Defy.
Further I was treated by an Endo at first, not the greatest so I switched providers. Also if you’re going to get technical he said his only option was to pin at the frequency he shared too. ONLY OPTION
So just to clarify guys, I’m an european expat worker based in Qatar, we are atleast a decade behind you Americans when it comes to TRT, just like the europeans and the aussies. Doctors here are very much hostile to the idea of Testosterone , first doctor i went to is a world class urologist with a phd from USA and he kept cutting me off while im speaking as if Im a beggar with leprosy in his office, despite me being on 200 ng/dl test levels , he kept agressively insisting its due to bodyfat , No F*s given about that for some strange reason, All of the bodyfat being stored ONLY around my midsection and rest of the body skinny (think of the klinefelter syndrome type of body) , that im on a 1000 cal deficit and regularly exercising… zero libido and ED etc etc…even though i just politely disagreed with him, it was enough to set him off on A stampede, he stormed out of his office and shouted to his assistant nurse and all the folks waiting in the line outside " I DoNT KnOW wHaT This GuY wANtS from Me?!? He InsisTs he waNTs TesTosteRone!!! Like a woman on her menstruation making a drama and scandal for me…next urologist I went to…was a lot less agresive but he kept insisting on the same and just referred me to the endocrinologist that as well kept insisting on the same…this is just to give you an insight in which nightmare health care is outside of the USA when it comes to TRT. Funny how in just three weekson TRT im down 9lbs already…this on the same exercise and diet pre TRT…go figure
Unfortunately Nebido is the only available option here, they used to have Sustanon which in my opinion is amazing ( used to use it when younger on my AAS cycles) but for some reason there is a supply issue
Hi again guys, I took a pause from this post as I have been very busy at office the past few weeks. I will try as much as possible to give an detailed account for how my TRT has been progressing so far.
during week 3-4,I was in a state of being very excited for having started TRT…I still had in my mind to be wary of jumping to conclusions about any new positive effects from the TRT as to not give in to Placebo, but now in hindsight…something definitely started brewing inside my body on a cellular level.
I started feeling an ever so slight uptick in Energy…I used to have an extreme tension in my calves when i walk, feeling like my calf muscles are about to Burst. I’ve read that, that’s a symptom caused by low T and poor blood circulation. That disappeared over a night on Week 3… I also started getting some hot flushes randomly throughout the days…However no strength or Muscle gains yet…it was more like all The severe Low T symptom started dissipating…oh yeah one more thing,I previously used to have a pain in my bones and muscles when walking,specially lower back,that went away in week 3 as well.
When it comes to Erections, my Dick was still dead, however for the first time in years, I began having sexual fantasies again about women.
update week 4.
I started having more and more sexual fantasies and now my Dick has finally come to life! rock hard erections in combination with Cialis and without cialis, however less frequent without Cialis, morning wood started happening as well!
my mood took a big jump and I started feeling more fresh, however my sleep took a big hit as I started having some anxiety during nights…cortisol increase?
anyway I did something I hope I will not come to regret…guys remember how I mentioned that my Endocrinologist didn’t want to do the booster shot of Nebido on week 6 which is customary? well having read a lot of horror stories of people on Nebido who were still low T…many months into their TRT…sometimes 5 shots in still having just low-average T, I was feeling worried if I obeyed my endocrinologist, that I would just prolong my low T suffering, and allow for all the positive progress I made so far to disappear by the time next shot came around!
So I kinda did the second 4ml 1000mg testosterone shot on my own.
Now my worry is that on the 15th of march (2.5 months after my first shot) that when I do the bloodtest that my Endocrinologist might spot that I have been pinning by my self and might take me off TRT, what do you guys think? Will it be too obvious? or will my Total T levels still be possible to explain away as me being " a hyper responder" ?
I will make a big jump now guys til week 7, as up until now there wasn’t much to report. ( not many new changes)
during week 5 I had a bade case of Test flu which lasted for nearly a week and a half.
Morning wood is there every day, spontaneous erections, I’ve also regained my extreme interest in women…I started eyeing up all the women at office.
Confidence has risen to a playboy level.
Muscle gains started happening albeit slightly…it’s kind of a more feeling of feeling “harder” than usual in the muscles…
Strength gains definitely started happening…I feel revitalized again!
another change which made me super excited was how everybody started commenting on that my voice has become a lot deeper…it’s apparently very noticable too according to my wife, this change was more apparent after going through the test flu in week 5 but has held on til now…does this mean I’m a hyper responder to testosterone?
I didn’t see anyone else talking about changes like this until after year 1 on test…im still on just week 7!
regarding fat…man I didn’t lose anything…if anything the scale has gone up somewhat…but that’s probably water retention…it would make sense as my face has gone a bit puffy.
I’m thinking to suggest asking my Doctor for an AI next visit in mid March.
I’m super excited you guys…this Nebido sure seems like some potent pharma grade testo.
back in my Teens when I used to be on Galenika test-e or Egyptian Cidoteston, I never experienced these big changes even 7 months into cycles where I was running even 500-700mg a week.
Germans sure produce everything in best quality!
other observations that I noticed is that I have become so much calmer…like suspiciously calm…I feel i had more agression inside me before I started TRT…is this normal guys? I was kinda hoping to get more agression, more competitevness …if anything…i’ve become more at peace…I don’t even feel like I need any promotion at work…which worries me a bit…I was kinda hoping to get the wolf of wallstreet mentality… instead I’ve become super at peace with who I am and what I have in life…could this be estrogen creeping up?
you’re the best dude