Karma, you must be part of my family. My dad is famous for stirring up shit. That’s why we call him spoon.
I won’t even bother wasting energy on this nonsense. Ko summed it up when he said, “I would rather take a blind hit, on ice from a pro, allstar hockey goon, than take a hit from
am allstate highschool linebacker.” Amen. There’s a reason football is played 1 time a week. And it’s not b/c it’s easy.
This has been a fun little topic, so thank you ~karma~. I do have a question, though. What would be considered a T-Man sport? Two men standing next to a brick wall punching it until one of them gave up first would be tough, but completely stupid, so does that make it a T-man sport? Golf is a very difficult and mental game (read: Not sport), but even though it is impossibly difficult, I would cringe if one were to suggest it as a T-Man “sport”. I think people leave the mental aspect out of being a T-Man, because from how it sounds here, I believe that many yearn for the days of cavemen when all you have to do is eat, sleep, roll over, screw Grogette, and repeat. I think the main error is that cavemen actually had to think to survive and we mainly focus on man’s physical “toughness”. Does anyone else think that there is a mental aspect to being a T-Man? Does anyone consider the mental aspect of a sport when determining whether or not it’s a “T-Sport”?
Jason, I don’t think we could be related…you don’t like hockey enough. 
j/k Anyway, I was kinda bored and had this conversation like I mentioned and thought I’d just bring it to the forum for some fun. I was sort of hoping someone would take the opposite position (which a lot of folks did) but be able to be humerous too. I wasn’t saying shit to be mean or to actually piss people off (was surprised some got so bent out of shape over something as stupid as one sport “vs” another) and that’s why I don’t get MrP’s comment about me being like our dear, departed Gearhead. I don’t think I once called people “fags” or “homos” which was his only point in his posts. If people keep up with the lack of lightheartedness, we won’t be able to discuss anything but literature, art, cinema and cooking…but wait, those could even be controversial, and we know we can’t possibly have any of that going around.
I know I said a lot of outrageous and technically inaccurate things but that’s what makes some “debates” fun. Sort of a “Yo momma so fat…” type of thing. But, alas, no one wanted to “Yo mamma” back at me. Folks only wanted to be technical and reasonable. Damn shame, too. Maybe I should have prefaced it all with something to that effect; guess I thought it’d be obvious. But hey, it was entertaining nonetheless!
Ohhh, o.k. Karma, as in Goodfellas funny. That is a good line, and a good movie. Pesci does a good job in that one and is just as good (or better) in Casino. Anyway, I couldn’t see someone who dishes it out and appears to take it as well as you do getting pissy about me saying that you were “funny”. All the great sex you’ve been having must be contributing to your good sense of humor.
You know, part of the problem with attempting humor is that it’s so hard to get the appropriate voice inflections to come across in text. I know that had we been in the same room and I did the “Funny like a clown” bit - you would have soo gotten it and been rolling on the floor. I couldn’t tell from your post if you got that or not so I just wanted to clarify. Nope, I don’t get pissy or hurt or whatever easily at all so no worries there, man. I’m a rather sarcastic and cynical person and I guess that may be taken as “pissy” by some since they can’t ‘hear’ my tone in type. And as far as the sex thing goes…I can only guess that it helps. I get all I want and then some (lucky gal, I know) and I’m in a great mood 99% of the time so go figure.
Yes, who really cares? Are you going to stop liking a sport because someone else says another is better? This post seems to really be about something else anyway. Karma, why don’t you make your racist statements in the open, (corn rows, implying that all QB’s are white - the mousse gave that away, and eubonics) instead of covering them over with this corny sports debate? If you have those views, be a man and be up front. You at least get the respect, if not admiration of other human beings.
Sorry, I grew up in southern Louisiana and as you can tell there isn’t too much hockey going on in these parts. Shit, it only snowed over here once in my entire 23 years of existence. You didn’t get all bent out of shape, but I still think football is better. LOL!!
Isn’t it funny and typical that when people are called out for statements they make that are viewed by some to be negative, mean-spirited, divise or racist, they use the old “what’s wrong with being controversial, isn’t that what discussion is all about?” defense.
If that is so - then you got the reaction from some that you must have desired. Should you be complaining, or should you be enjoying this discourse for what you say it is?
Hmmm?
Try snapping the ball between your legs, in a perfect spiral, with 31/2 rotations,(not 3 not 4)to a 12 inch target, 7 yards behind you. A 350 pounder (5.0 40) itching to take your head off right in front of you, with a 270 pounder on each shoulder (4.5 40) trying to rush past you. If you fail in any of the above the kicker misses the FG and you lose the game. If you can succeed consistantly there’s a D-1 scholarship waiting for you.
As for hard hitting in hockey… isn’t anything over 1 1/2 strides called charging?
Oh well… if any of you had Bill Wirtz as your local teams owner, you wouldn’t like hockey either.
I can easily tell that you are a pussy, who has never actually played football.
As I have played both for a few years (being from Canada) I without a doubt think football is far more dangerous and grueling, and the men that play football need seven days rest for a reason!
I agree with everything you’ve said, but unfortunately, as longsnapper, eluded to, it’s all about the money now. All these specialists exist, because no coach wants to take a chance having a play fucked up do to a bad snap, kick, punt or having the wrong defensive lineman playing on a critical passing down. At one time it was much more like rugby. There was not a huge difference between most positions on the field. But, you can’t blame the players. If someone wanted to pay me $200,000 a year to long snap, I would do it in a heartbeat. You could probably do it for 15 years without too much injury and retire well off and healthy. It’s kind of like the third string Qb. It’s the best position on the field. You never actually play, you often have a long career and you make a nice little living. I know, it’s all kinda sad.
Talent:
What takes more talent? Throwing a football with it in your hand or shooting a puck at a ridiculous velocity at a much smaller space?
The hits in my opinion are probably pretty much equal, but certain positions in football don’t really take big hits i.e. wideouts (st louis rams make me puke with avoiding them)
I don’t think it’s fair to argue about hockey players wearing more equipment and therefore being less tough. Football players wear pads where they get hit, why can’t hockey players? I refer of course to shinguards, elbow pads and gloves. Football players wear pads in all the same places otherwise. Not to mention hockey players don’t all wear face masks, and none wear full face masks in the pros.
It is a problem that the season is so long in hockey and I think it is true that they aren’t giving everything through the regular season. Blame it on bettman. As Chris Chelios said during the lockout : “He better watch out for his family”.
Adam Marshall