[quote]lia67 wrote:
when i was eating 6 small meals a day i would wake up every 3 or 4 hours hungry . when i switched to IF’ing that stopped and i now sleep right through . my last meal is at about 7pm and im in bed by 10pm[/quote]
Very interesting.
I do a casein shake about 30 minutes to an hour before bed, works well for me although i usually do wake up after about 4 hours in a frantic race to the bathroom but other than that theres no problems.
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
I really doubt that an hour or two difference in when you have your last feeding is going to make a world of difference. With my particular schedule, I have to get two feedings in after 7pm and before bed (I prefer to break them up rather than just double up numbers in one sitting). Because of this, I’ve been more reliant on a liquid prot fix last instead of solid food. As the body runs mostly off fatty acids during resting hours (sleep), as long as you’ve gotten some source of building materials (protein) within the last couple of hours, I wouldn’t think that you’d end up in any sort of catabolic spiral.
I will note though that when I do eat right before bed, I always wake up absolutely starving in the morning! Whether this means my body has more adequately used what it was given during the night is beyond me though.
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For as long as I can remmber, I wake up earlier than my alarm (not too much earlier, so it’s not that bad) with increadible hunger. Maybe it’s the type that you guys are all describing in the morning. I thought mine was special because it literally can cause me to dry-heave while in bed as soon as I awake. Usually I just hurdle into fetal position for about 2-3 minutes and then it subsides, I can get out of bed, shower, and get breakfast rolling.
I’m not talking waking up CRAVING eggs, bacon, and some pancakes. It’s a serious ‘starvation’ feeling pain that just hits and I can’t move (can barely think) or I’ll dry-heave, so I chill until my body calms down. And it doesn’t matter if I had chinese buffet 30 mins before bed or went to sleep having an apple smothered in peanut butter.
I don’t consider a hinderance because I’m still gaining muscle, but this morning pain, hot damn…
FYI I know some protein drink at bedside is the most logical solution but I don’t spend money on powders-just looking for yalls thoughts.
The way ive been eating as of late for pure convenience i get around 1500 calories around training then another 1500+ in a four hour block later in the day, ive found that i have to stop eating at least two hours before bed as my meals consist of carbs and fat and it really gets my metabolism goin to the point where i struggle to fall asleep because my heart beat is so noticeable!
But ive found that 30 mins before i sleep if i have a shot of olive oil with or without protein and equating to an equal amount of calories as usual my recovery is noticably better.
If you are really serious about your sleep try 3 gms of glycine before bed and 1.5 gm of tryptophan. Make sure to take it at least 1 hr apart from your last meal though as tryptophan competes for absorption with other aminos and being the skinny kid it always loses
Pretty much the only thing that wakes me up in the middle of the night is the girlfriend, or if I have to pee. Although doing a shake before bed seems to increase the odds I’ll have to pee.
Eating late does tend to make me hungrier in the morning too (and I’m not normally hungry when I first wake up). Unless I eat a grotesquely large amount of food the night before, in which case I can still be literally full.
[quote]juverulez wrote:
If you are really serious about your sleep try 3 gms of glycine before bed and 1.5 gm of tryptophan. Make sure to take it at least 1 hr apart from your last meal though as tryptophan competes for absorption with other aminos and being the skinny kid it always loses[/quote]
Whats the glycine for? Enhanced absorption of tryptophan?
[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:
[quote]juverulez wrote:
If you are really serious about your sleep try 3 gms of glycine before bed and 1.5 gm of tryptophan. Make sure to take it at least 1 hr apart from your last meal though as tryptophan competes for absorption with other aminos and being the skinny kid it always loses[/quote]
Whats the glycine for? Enhanced absorption of tryptophan?[/quote]
Nope, glycine is pretty amazing as a stand-alone. It actually lowers cortisol (however you might want to use 5 gms for that) and acts as a calming neurotransmitter. A Japanese research has shown glycine to be an effective sleep aid as it promotes deep rem sleep.
[quote]BulletproofTiger wrote:
Bulking - Carbs at 45 minutes before bed or so are okay if from clean sources (sweet potatoes, rice, potatoes, etc, or malto/dextrose or the like if PM workout) in reasonable amounts. Overall, balanced blood sugar is my goal in the evening[/quote] Wouldn’t your blood sugar be more balanced in the evening if you didn’t eat carbs ?
[quote]tolismann wrote:
[quote]BulletproofTiger wrote:
Bulking - Carbs at 45 minutes before bed or so are okay if from clean sources (sweet potatoes, rice, potatoes, etc, or malto/dextrose or the like if PM workout) in reasonable amounts. Overall, balanced blood sugar is my goal in the evening[/quote] Wouldn’t your blood sugar be more balanced in the evening if you didn’t eat carbs ?
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Wouldnt it be balanced anyway unless you were insulin resistant?
I think the OP hasnt tested this long enough for his body to get used to it, i sleep soundest on a full belly of protein and low GI carbs, and wake up feeling 10x less sore afterwards.
I think we’re all diff is all 
and it’ll vary from sport to sport as well IMO (completely uneducated), im a flowerlifter, i train hard so im totally fucking wrecked CNS and muscle wise, i got NO problem sleeping ever, lol
best
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[quote]juverulez wrote:
If you are really serious about your sleep try 3 gms of glycine before bed and 1.5 gm of tryptophan. Make sure to take it at least 1 hr apart from your last meal though as tryptophan competes for absorption with other aminos and being the skinny kid it always loses[/quote]
I’ve always had trouble sleeping through the night so for the past 5 or 6 days I’ve added ZMA about 30-60 minutes before bed and, while I do wake up a bit more rested (and with some crazy dreams still in my head), I still wake up at least once or twice during the night. I don’t usually eat anything closer then an hour before I lay down. What specific nutrients do is a new venture for me so I’ll just ask, could I take 3mg of glycine an hour before and ZMA 20min before?
I have a feeling thought that since glycine works to calm neurotransmitters, it might conflict with what the ZMA does. Gonna have to read up on zinc and magnesium. See what’s up after I swallow them down.
I’m like an 80 year old man. I get up twice a night to take a piss many nights. However, if I take ZMA I’m out solid and drooling for 8 hours.
On the topic though, I eat my largest meal (dinner) about an hour before bed and go to sleep fat and happy. I also don’t get hungry in the mornings when I eat a big meal, unlike the hunger pains a couple of people have mentioned earlier in the thread. I just figured a big meal was still digesting in the morning, but I’d be interested in learning a bit more about morning hunger pains as it correlates to the night meal.
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
I really doubt that an hour or two difference in when you have your last feeding is going to make a world of difference. With my particular schedule, I have to get two feedings in after 7pm and before bed (I prefer to break them up rather than just double up numbers in one sitting). Because of this, I’ve been more reliant on a liquid prot fix last instead of solid food. As the body runs mostly off fatty acids during resting hours (sleep), as long as you’ve gotten some source of building materials (protein) within the last couple of hours, I wouldn’t think that you’d end up in any sort of catabolic spiral.
I will note though that when I do eat right before bed, I always wake up absolutely starving in the morning! Whether this means my body has more adequately used what it was given during the night is beyond me though.
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I can’t tell if commenting on the catabolic part or the sleep part, but every time I eat within 60 minutes of bed I wake up 1-2 hours later, and every time I finish my meal at least 2+ hours before bed, I sleet soundly through the night. It’s as simple as that.
As I said before, this is my personal experience, and I thought it might be helpful to relay to others.
It would be interesting to know, from a scientific standpoint, why one if far more hungry in the mornings after eatting right before bed.
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No scientific info here but it could have something to do with being slightly dehydrated in the am after assimilating food during the night. Have you ever been extremely hungry an hour or so after a big meal only for that feeling to go when you down some water?
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
People are all over the place on this topic, so I wanted to relay my recent experience.
For the past 3 months I had been eating within 1 hour of my bedtime. It was usually something light, either 1-3 boiled eggs or 1 large bag of steamed broccoli. During that time I noticed that I would constantly wake up with 1-2 hours of going to bed, which was not only annoying but also terrible for overall sleep and recovery.
For the past 3 weeks I made a tweak, and have been strict about not over eating at dinner and have also made sure to finish that dinner at least 2 hours before going to bed. Within two days of implementing these rules I started sleeping soundly, and no longer had the problem of waking within 1-2 hours of going to sleep.
For most of the year I make sure to finish my dinner at least 2 hours before bedtime for body composition reasons, but now I’ve also found that I sleep much more soundly and wake up much more rested as well.
Just thought I might relay what’s worked for me, as I think sleep is the second most important part of recovery next to diet.
Where do you stand?
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same experience… Infact I dropped any pre bed protein or glutamine
I feel much better, I have better elimination, my hair are better and also my face looks more rested as I wake up in the morning… I dream better…well it is overall better! also the dick is better as I wake up
THE casein stuff before bed came out just to sell more casein! in my world… in other words…everything is relative
nevertheless I feel much better when I finish dinner almost 2 hours before sleeping and that s it
[quote]stefanogym wrote:
also the dick is better as I wake up[/quote]
there’s always a catch to your posts. ahaha.
what is a catch?
I sleep great throughout the night if I have a carb heavy meal with some protein, if it’s protein/fat? Wakey wakey!
[quote]stefanogym wrote:
what is a catch?[/quote]
you, Lord.
If i go to bed a little hungry, I have much more vivid dreams. I think this means more REM sleep which is a good thing in terms of recovery.