[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
No,it doesn’t excuse anything that was done by us.But having done these things is also what makes modern Europe less than gung ho in going to war,and repeating the same mistakes over again.
Been there,done that.
And correct me if I’m mistaken,but is your argument “You guys did it,so now we can do it too and don’t dare criticize?”
Say it isn’t so…
You’re the one who gets what I am trying to say, almost. I understand what you are saying in your first paragraph and you have a point.
Secondly, I never said it excuses what we do. I never said they should not criticize us.
It seems like it is the other way around here. They can point to things the US does time and time again, but their countries and their co-religious have done it all before us. If anything, we learned this kind of acting from them. And why am I wrong for pointing this out?
It isn’t about someone using something that happened 50 years ago in court as a defence, it’s about someone who raped their nephew 50 years ago thinking he has the moral high ground to tell me what is right and wrong.
It is almost like they are attacking the US because they are projecting their own self loathing, and the current inadequacy of their countries and co-religious onto us.
Think about that last part.[/quote]
To point out what was done before,is not wrong in and of itself.However if it used to justify doing the same thing again,then that is wrong.
I’m not saying that is what you are doing,I’m just stating my view.I believe that most of what passes here for ‘debate’ actually comes down to misunderstandigs of delivery over content.
What I mean is that,just as when one is having an argument with a loved one,most of the time what raises tempers and ire is not WHAT is being said,but HOW it’s delivered.
I have said it on these forums before,Europe and the US have far more in common than they have in opposition.And that applies across the board,regardless of the subject you care to pick.
It is precisely this close relationship that allows us to argue like a bunch of screaming fishwives,and allows our relevant governments to differ so broadly in matters of policy.
It is the kind of dialogue that only comes from having a shared and extremely close relationship.Would we argue or talk this way with a complete stranger?Absolutely not.Would you kick a loved one out for not sharing your views?Even though you know you share the same basic human values?No.
But I’m not too fond of the mutual,strident name calling here,from both sides.
Of course this is only the internet.But it has been my opinion,that the things we say,or in this case type,carries through into our world view,and how we treat each other.Go around telling everybody to fuck off in ones daily life,and I guarantee you it’s only a matter of time before you tell your wife or loved one in to fuck off in a moment of anger.Words and language have power,whenever they are used.
And I’m just using ‘you’ generically here,meaning everyone .
But what the fuck do I know…apologies for the hijack hehehe