[quote]etaco wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Unless you are about to change the direction of this thread into some discussion of chemistry in industry, why is this an issue? You are getting into areas that would be covered in less than a paragraph in the education of most doctors and dentists. There is a difference between being a medical professional and being a chemical engineer.
As an oral hygiene related aside, how often do you brush and floss Prof?
When I was a kid I was told to do it after every meal, yet this would presumably leave a person gumless in the 6-8 meal per day range.[/quote]
There are three factors necessary for the growth of cavities; bacteria, carbohydrates, and less than optimal oral hygiene. If any one of those is out of whack, you increase the risk of getting them. Some people have less cavity promoting bacteria in their mouths than others and some people simply genetically are less prone to cavities due to how resistant their teeth are. That means it really doesn’t matter how many times anyone else brushes their teeth. You personally would have to adjust your frequency and attention based on your own needs.
I won’t even get deep into those who brush their teeth too hard and actually wear away their own enamel over time. This is often seen in people who are high stress and weight lifters (among tooth grinding, ‘bruxism’).
My recommendation is no less than twice a day as far as brushing while flossing once a day.
[quote]ssn0 wrote:
Isn’t flouride a known Carcinogen?
Are you going to fight for evil?[/quote]
Fight for evil? Did we interrupt you in the middle of a Star Wars enactment?
reference for you:
http://www.ada.org/public/topics/fluoride/facts/fluoridation_facts.pdf
Your specific question is answered on page 32. Considering how long the response is, I won’t be copying and pasting it. In short, scientific studies show no connection between cancer rates in humans and fluoridated water.
OK, here’s the poop. It’s all about concentration and dosage.
Fluoridation of water supplies is usually done at the levels around 1 ppm. This level was selected because it maximized cavity protection while minimizing an effect know as “mottling”, which are discolorations (mineral deposits) that form on the teeth of children still in their early years.
At levels > 5 ppm and up to 12 ppm, the mottling becomes more pronounced with yellow or brown or gray patches showing up on the teeth. Colorado Springs, CO has naturally-high fluoride in their groundwater (12-15 ppm) and NO health effects beyond the mottling — which is purely a cosmetic issue — have been statistically demonstrated. Their incidence of cavities, BTW, is nil.
The most detrimental effects of fluoridation occurs in aging adults of coastal areas of Japan. The oldsters in these areas often have calcification in the tendons and joints of their knees and ankles, as their bodies can longer process the excess Fl efficiently. Where do they get the excess Fl? From drinking tons of green tea and eating lots of kelp (seaweed), which has up to 300 ppm!
Again I tell you: It’s all about concentration and dosage. Remember that eye drops and pool acid are the same compound — except at vastly differing concentrations.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
etaco wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Unless you are about to change the direction of this thread into some discussion of chemistry in industry, why is this an issue? You are getting into areas that would be covered in less than a paragraph in the education of most doctors and dentists. There is a difference between being a medical professional and being a chemical engineer.
As an oral hygiene related aside, how often do you brush and floss Prof?
When I was a kid I was told to do it after every meal, yet this would presumably leave a person gumless in the 6-8 meal per day range.
There are three factors necessary for the growth of cavities; bacteria, carbohydrates, and less than optimal oral hygiene. If any one of those is out of whack, you increase the risk of getting them. Some people have less cavity promoting bacteria in their mouths than others and some people simply genetically are less prone to cavities due to how resistant their teeth are. That means it really doesn’t matter how many times anyone else brushes their teeth. You personally would have to adjust your frequency and attention based on your own needs.
I won’t even get deep into those who brush their teeth too hard and actually wear away their own enamel over time. This is often seen in people who are high stress and weight lifters (among tooth grinding, ‘bruxism’).
My recommendation is no less than twice a day as far as brushing while flossing once a day.[/quote]
Do recommend that someone who grinds their teeth minimally wear a bite plate at night? I only grind my teeth minimally, but I’m thinking over time it could cause problems. I don’t use one right now.
[quote]orion wrote:
we got small pills that dissolved in the mouth, during our first two years in school.
that would be from 6-7 years[/quote]
I had a girlfriend who lived in Holland for a few years and was given those from 5-7. After moving to America, her younger sister went through the years 5-7 of her life without the fluoride tabs.
My girlfriend ate a lot of candy as a kid, her sister did not. Girlfriend had no cavities, the sister had many. Food for thought (but make sure you brush after thinking.)
[quote]Puny@138 wrote:
I had a girlfriend who lived in Holland for a few years and was given those from 5-7. After moving to America, her younger sister went through the years 5-7 of her life without the fluoride tabs.
My girlfriend ate a lot of candy as a kid, her sister did not. Girlfriend had no cavities, the sister had many. Food for thought (but make sure you brush after thinking.)[/quote]
My family moved from Chicago (fluoridation) to San Antonio (no fluoridation) when I was a kid. I was 10 and my sisters were 5 and 2. I had 2 cavities, my middle sister had 4 or 5 and my youngest sister had at least a dozen.
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
Do recommend that someone who grinds their teeth minimally wear a bite plate at night? I only grind my teeth minimally, but I’m thinking over time it could cause problems. I don’t use one right now.[/quote]
Yes. TMD is a disorder that is very hard to treat once it passes conservative treatment with a mouthguard. It would be in your best interest to keep any symptoms you have as minimal as possible…something that it won’t be if your occlusion changes significantly over time.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Do recommend that someone who grinds their teeth minimally wear a bite plate at night? I only grind my teeth minimally, but I’m thinking over time it could cause problems. I don’t use one right now.
Yes. TMD is a disorder that is very hard to treat once it passes conservative treatment with a mouthguard. It would be in your best interest to keep any symptoms you have as minimal as possible…something that it won’t be if your occlusion changes significantly over time.[/quote]
Ok. Thanks. I will talk to my dentist about getting one at my next appointment.
[quote]DanErickson wrote:
. The descriptions of fluoride I have heard so far range from “it is good for your teeth”, to "the Nazi’s experimented with it and their research concluded that fluoride makes a persons mind more susceptible to suggestion, and the knees brittle.[/quote]
I will assume you have had fluoride in your drinking water your whole life
…stop making stupid threads…stop making stupid threads…stop making stupid threads…stop making stupid threads…stop making stupid threads…stop making stupid threads…stop making stupid threads…
[quote]BIGERIC wrote:
DanErickson wrote:
. The descriptions of fluoride I have heard so far range from “it is good for your teeth”, to "the Nazi’s experimented with it and their research concluded that fluoride makes a persons mind more susceptible to suggestion, and the knees brittle.
I will assume you have had fluoride in your drinking water your whole life
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I assumed San Antonio had Fl water too — after all, it was the #10 largest city in the U.S. (currently #8). When it came up for a vote in the 80s, I was flabbergasted. Even more amazing was all the kooks that came out of the fucking woodwork with their conspiracy theory BS.
Even the Latino/Hispanic community came out against it and they probably needed it more than anyone.
They finally approved it some time in the 90s. Amazing.
[quote]BIGERIC wrote:
DanErickson wrote:
. The descriptions of fluoride I have heard so far range from “it is good for your teeth”, to "the Nazi’s experimented with it and their research concluded that fluoride makes a persons mind more susceptible to suggestion, and the knees brittle.
I will assume you have had fluoride in your drinking water your whole life
…stop making stupid threads…stop making stupid threads…stop making stupid threads…stop making stupid threads…stop making stupid threads…stop making stupid threads…stop making stupid threads…[/quote]
I fail to understand how it is a stupid thread. There is a lot of controversy surrounding fluoride. I also posted it in the off topic section of this site. Not only that, but it is even health related. Once again, I fail to see how it is a stupid thread.
[quote]BIGERIC wrote:
DanErickson wrote:
. The descriptions of fluoride I have heard so far range from “it is good for your teeth”, to "the Nazi’s experimented with it and their research concluded that fluoride makes a persons mind more susceptible to suggestion, and the knees brittle.
I will assume you have had fluoride in your drinking water your whole life
…stop making stupid threads…stop making stupid threads…stop making stupid threads…stop making stupid threads…stop making stupid threads…stop making stupid threads…stop making stupid threads…[/quote]
Why would anyone think this was a stupid thread? It’s a known issue and well worth discussing.
stop making stupid posts…stop making stupid posts.
On another note, its interesting looking a photos of native africans with perfect white teeth.
Weston A Price studied these people and the one with the best teeth were the ones who lived only off what was provided by their surroundings.
I doubt they would have added fluoride to the water or brushed after every meal.
Of course it could be that their water had optimal amounts, but I doubt that was the case.
[quote]Andrew Dixon wrote:
BIGERIC wrote:
DanErickson wrote:
. The descriptions of fluoride I have heard so far range from “it is good for your teeth”, to "the Nazi’s experimented with it and their research concluded that fluoride makes a persons mind more susceptible to suggestion, and the knees brittle.
I will assume you have had fluoride in your drinking water your whole life
…stop making stupid threads…stop making stupid threads…stop making stupid threads…stop making stupid threads…stop making stupid threads…stop making stupid threads…stop making stupid threads…
Why would anyone think this was a stupid thread? It’s a known issue and well worth discussing.
stop making stupid posts…stop making stupid posts.
On another note, its interesting looking a photos of native africans with perfect white teeth.
Weston A Price studied these people and the one with the best teeth were the ones who lived only off what was provided by their surroundings.
I doubt they would have added fluoride to the water or brushed after every meal.
Of course it could be that their water had optimal amounts, but I doubt that was the case.
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That was my guess as well.
The Native Africans didn’t eat any refined sugar, or white flour, so I’m guessing this is why. Not to mention, foods like apples, celery, and carrots help scrub away stains on your teeth when you chew them, so whenever they ate a little fruit or vegetables, this might of helped as well.
[quote]Cthulhu wrote:
That was my guess as well.
The Native Africans didn’t eat any refined sugar, or white flour, so I’m guessing this is why. Not to mention, foods like apples, celery, and carrots help scrub away stains on your teeth when you chew them, so whenever they ate a little fruit or vegetables, this might of helped as well.
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The more basic explanation is also lack of bacteria that initiate the cavities to begin with. Being isolated also has the advantage of no cross contamination. Unfortunately there are few studies proving that adults would have less cavities if they never shared any bodily fluids with their parents or others as infants.