The part about vegan/vegetarian that I don’t get is why are all these vegan foods trying to look like meat?
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A lot of new vegans want to eat packaged shitty food that tastes exactly like non-vegan shitty food they’re used to so that they can continue eating like crap while claiming moral superiority or whatnot.
Unironically, there are some great vegan dishes out there - chickpeas/butternut curry with spinach comes to mind.
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I did a yoga retreat that was at The Art of Living in Boone North Carolina, three vegan meals a day, and that food was great!
But it was whole food, a lot of it raw.
Your point about packaged shitty foods is valid.
College friend was vegetarian (in the 80’s before veganism). Napped all the time, lethargic, struggled.
Spent a year in Quito on exchange and picked up the meat habit - woke up, more energetic, all the cues.
If a chef would cook me balanced vegan whole food, closer to raw as possible, I could do it.
Otherwise, I am sticking to my current carnivore experiment.
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This. Make the food good on it’s own merits, not some moral/identity argument wrapped in super-processed awful denial-of-reality.
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Why ruin a good piece of meat by turning it into pizza?
I get the opposite since meat > vegetables, but this is just wrong.
Risking getting into PWI territory here, but I believe there should be regulations on how processed “food” can actually be to be sold. I bet we would be a lot healthier if we all had to make our own pasta, bread, etc…However, I also recognize the insane work week most of us has makes that difficult. IDK, maybe stores can still sell pasta, but stop passing off sugar-flour as bread.
For example, Panera passes off reheated frozen stuff as “fresh” meals.
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Oh my goodness I would absolutely love to go down this rabbithole with you, but it will completely and totally go PWI.
Check out the book “Food Politics” by Marion Nestle (very ironic last name). It goes into so much regarding how politics are the primary driver of what is sold to the general public as “healthy”.
My soapbox is this: when society is conditioned to believe that Captain Crunch is a good breakfast choice because it’s fortified with vitamins and part of a complete breakfast and that eating 4 eggs at breakfast will kill you, we’ve clearly been misled.
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Man, she has all sorts of books on food - even the pet food industry. Adding to the To be read list.
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I also recommend
Animal, Vegetable, Junk by Mark Bittman
Some of the best food I’ve ever had is vegetarian food cooked by monks at my in-laws’ Buddhist temple. That stuff is amazing.
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Legally the term “fresh” in the US only means it hasn’t been stored below 26 f. It can be old, precooked, bought from a vendor, whatever - you can still call it fresh. So it’s a bullshit term.
And Panera is worse than McDonalds.
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That sounds amazing and I want an invitation.
I can bring ice or something, I’m not going to try to out-cook a monk.
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Wait, … what?
Captain Crunch isn’t healthy?
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Once, while feeding my dog, I noted how excited it got over these stupid brown pellets I poured in a bowl and put in front of their face. “Stupid dog: that looks NOTHING like anything you’d ever get in nature: why are you excited to eat it?”
I then poured myself a bowl of cereal…and realized I had been played.
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I said this earlier, had Vegan food at a yoga retreat cooked by vegan chefs. A little weird the first day, but amazing thereafter, and I felt great.
I just don’t have the time to cool like that.
I did start making kitcheree, which is kind of easy. Also made some raw desserts that were amazing.
I am sure you are familiar with the effed up pathology of my family growing up. My grandmother would bring each of us our favorite cereal - mine was Apple Jacks, my middle brother was Cap’n Crunch, my oldest brother ( henceforward to be known as Asshole) was Raisin Bran.
Middle brother and I didn’t like Raisin Bran, so Asshole would eat our cereal while saving the Raisin Bran for himself.
There was violence.
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I know you stay out of that section, but it might be worth going down - maybe in the supplements/Nutrition section to keep the politics out of it.
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I am thinking about getting Mk 677 because I am too old/lazy to lift heavy.
Absolutely. 
My oldest brother used to try to hog all of the cereal too.
I’d break out the box of meow-mix when I got left out. Me & kitty cat would chill out and watch Bugs Bunny.
We “squirreled” cookies - hide them for later otherwise Asshole would eat them all. Had gallons of milk labeled by the day - Monday, Tuesday, etcetera, couldn’t open the new one until that day. Asshole would chug from the gallon.
Here’s my confession - I went no contact with Asshole last July and it was the single greatest thing I have ever done in my entire life.
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