Flag Burning Amendment

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]derek wrote:

Well, I was counting on the fact that no one would be reading into my post the way you did. In that sense, I was wrong.

How you translate “Dive in swingin’” to murder is beyond me.

If you truly belive in your heart that “ANY” means murder in this case,
there’s really not much I can do about it.

False bravado? Nope. Just letting everyone here understand where I was coming from. In other words, I was just giving my belief of how I’d act in such a circumstance while trying to make it clear I was not intentionally sounding like a hardass.

I’ll try and dumb it down for you next time.

Got anything stronger? I’m getting bored.
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I’m bored too, so I’ll say one more thing and it’s all yours.

Please stop being a pussy and stick by you convictions. Don’t water them down just because they’re being challenged on what you said.

When you use language like “ass kicking mother f–ker”, "dive in swingin’, and “by any means necessary”, you are specically trying to sound like a badass. Your little “matter of fact” statement at the end is clearly to inform those who doubt you’d actually do it that you would, reinforcing your badassedness.

Of course, only an absolute moron would truly use any means necessary to stop somebody from burning the flag. I assumed you weren’t a moron, so I decided to call bullshit on your Clint Eastwood speech. Many on the board have said that if they saw somebody burning the flag they would step in physically to stop it, and I believe they would, as I believe you would. I just don’t believe you’d use any means necessary, and apparently you wouldn’t.

If you didn’t mean what you said, then you shouldn’t have said it.

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Totally against flag burning…So Is my .308

Happy Birthday Marines
Semper Fi
Since 1775

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[quote]BigRJ wrote:
Totally against flag burning…So Is my .308
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Right on! Kill the dissenters! This is America, get in line, or get out!

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
jlesk68 wrote:
nephorm wrote:
jlesk68 wrote:
Burning our flag is not what the Founding Fathers would consider freedom of speech.

Thank you for that expert Constitutional analysis.

I know you’re being sarcastic but these were men who gave up riches and status to fight for independence and if they saw americans burning their flag and claiming 1st ammendment rights, they would turn in their graves.

OK, one more time, being as you ignored my last one evidently.

This statement is wrong and a blatant lie. The country was far more seperated than we are today, as every state was very overprotective against a centalized government. This was part of what provoked the Civil War.

Burning the flag was the least of their worries, especially in times where rebellions against the government were a semi-regular occurence. Do not make a general statement about the founding fathers because it suits your needs.

If you think this is true, prove it. If it was important, I am sure they would have said something about it.[/quote]

It’s not that I’m ignoring your post, it’s just that your crapping outside of the toilet, your comment has nothing to do with the Founding Father’s desire for the 1st ammendment.

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[quote]jlesk68 wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
jlesk68 wrote:
nephorm wrote:
jlesk68 wrote:
Burning our flag is not what the Founding Fathers would consider freedom of speech.

Thank you for that expert Constitutional analysis.

I know you’re being sarcastic but these were men who gave up riches and status to fight for independence and if they saw americans burning their flag and claiming 1st ammendment rights, they would turn in their graves.

OK, one more time, being as you ignored my last one evidently.

This statement is wrong and a blatant lie. The country was far more seperated than we are today, as every state was very overprotective against a centalized government. This was part of what provoked the Civil War.

Burning the flag was the least of their worries, especially in times where rebellions against the government were a semi-regular occurence. Do not make a general statement about the founding fathers because it suits your needs.

If you think this is true, prove it. If it was important, I am sure they would have said something about it.

It’s not that I’m ignoring your post, it’s just that your crapping outside of the toilet, your comment has nothing to do with the Founding Father’s desire for the 1st ammendment.[/quote]

Prove that their desire had anything to do with flag burning, or don’t mention the “Founding Fathers” every time it suits conservative political views. You are dodging the question.

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Well this post broke down to a dick measuring contest now didn’t it. 1.) nobody but the founding fathers knew what their 100% intent of an amendment was, be it against flag burning or flag burning being furthest from their mind. 2.) I served just under 6 years and flag burning offends me, not to the point that I would physically do anything. To alot of people the flag is just a cloth, to me it is not. Everyone is entitled to their beliefs, if they want to burn it fuck 'em, it just goes to show they don’t know how many good men and women died so they could have the right to protest. If they did know, burning that flag would be the absolute last thing they would do, but hey what more would you expect from some spoon fed college punk. As for the Arab catching on fire while burning our flag, I’ve seen it and it’s fucking hilarious. As for foreigners burning our flag, who gives a rats ass. Would you rather be living in the US or in some cave picking bugs out of your buddies beard?

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[quote]AZMojo wrote:
derek wrote:
I’m bored too, so I’ll say one more thing and it’s all yours.

Please stop being a pussy and stick by you convictions. Don’t water them down just because they’re being challenged on what you said.

When you use language like “ass kicking mother f–ker”, "dive in swingin’, and “by any means necessary”, you are specically trying to sound like a badass. Your little “matter of fact” statement at the end is clearly to inform those who doubt you’d actually do it that you would, reinforcing your badassedness.

Of course, only an absolute moron would truly use any means necessary to stop somebody from burning the flag. I assumed you weren’t a moron, so I decided to call bullshit on your Clint Eastwood speech. Many on the board have said that if they saw somebody burning the flag they would step in physically to stop it, and I believe they would, as I believe you would. I just don’t believe you’d use any means necessary, and apparently you wouldn’t.

If you didn’t mean what you said, then you shouldn’t have said it.
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OK, you’ve got me. I realize now how much of a pussy I’ve been all along. You are absolutely spot-on. I am ashamed at how easily you pegged me. Genius! Pure genius!

Yes, what I was REALLY trying to say is that I would KILL someone who burned the flag. You saw through my BS about me NOT being a cold-blooded murderer. Congrats on the detective work.

All along I thought no one could see through my non-homocidal charade but you had me the entire time.

Look out everyone! If you are a homocidal maniac, AZMojo will seek you out and expose you.

Oh, and the “badass” thing. Got me there, too!. I spend so much of my day trying to convince the members of T-Nation that I am the new Clint Eastwood. Sometimes thinking of ways to portray myself as a “badass” keeps me from spending quality time with my family. Thanks, AZMojo for helping me see the error of my ways.

You certainly perform quite a service here.

Thanks again, and sorry for being such a pussy. You 'da MAN!

Sincerely, Clint (ooops, I mean) derek

Now let these people get back to the original post.

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From The New Hampshire Gazette Vol 249, No 20, July 1, 2005

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Richard B. Myers, in an official Defense Department photo, wearing what appears to be an American flag. The general was participating in the annual Rolling Thunder motorcycle rally. DoD photo by Air Force Tech. Sgt. D. Myles Cullen.

Nothing is dearer to the Flag Police than Old Glory, except the First Amendment.

Why? Because without freedom of speech and freedom of the press, our flag might as well be just another rectangle of brightly colored cloth representing a nation of mute slaves.

So, when the boys in the break room of the Flag Police station house heard that the Flag Protection Amendment passed the House of Representatives on June 22, the place was full of long faces - long, stubbled, a bit bloodshot, and powdered faintly with confectioner’s sugar.

And it was no help knowing that both New Hampshire’s alleged representatives, “Charlie” Bass and “Jeb” Bradley, not only voted in favor of “Duke” Cunningham’s House Joint Resolution 10, but were co-sponsors. That only made the dregs of their coffee more bitter.

“Who the hell’s this ‘Duke’ Cunningham,” asked a morose-looking flagpoliceperson.

“You mean you never heard of ‘Duke’ Cunningham?” an agitated colleague responded. "Hell, he’s the guy Tom Cruise played in Top Gun. Shot down three MIGs in one day in The 'Nam. If we’d had a couple more like him, Ho Chi Minh City would still be Saigon, and they’d be drinking Bud over there, not that nasty Ba Mui Ba. At least, that’s the impression you could get from reading his autobiography without applying any critical thinking skills.

“And remember that Tailhook scandal? Buncha liquored-up Navy jet jocks groping female colleagues? ‘Duke’ was a muckety muck of that outfit when it all happened.”

“So,” said the morose one, “what’s he done for me lately? Besides threatening my First Amendment rights, I mean?”

"Oh, he’s been a busy guy. He’s from San Diego, and he’s on the House Appropriations Committee. He recently helped get $3 million in taxpayers’ money to improve the waterfront in DC - right near where he parks Duke-Stir, the 42 foot yacht he lives on when he’s in the Capitol.

"I say ‘lives on,’ because it’s not his yacht. Duke-Stir actually belongs to Mitchell Wade. Wade also happens to own MZM, Inc., which is a defense contractor.

“And if that’s not enough coincidence for ya, Wade also owns 'Duke’s old house in San Diego. Well, he owned it for a while. Wade paid ‘Duke’ $1,675,000 for the place. Nine months later he sold it for a $700,000 loss. But he still lets ‘Duke’ live on his boat. That Wade’s a stand-up guy, I tell ya. As long as you’re a Congressman.”

“So what’s in it for Wade?”

“Nothing, you cynical bastard! That would be bribery. Sure, Cunningham supports funding requests from MZM -he’s admitted that. But it’s on the merits, you know. It’s got nothing to do with the yacht. Or the house.”

“How admirable. What’s he like in person, this ‘Duke’?”

“Well, I guess you’d say he’s outspoken. On the floor of the House one time, explaining why he opposed an amendment to make the military comply with the Clean Water Act, he said to Bernie Sanders, ‘the same people who would vote to cut defense $177 billion, the same ones that would put homos in the military, the same ones that would not fund BRAC, the same ones that would not clear up ? No, I will not sit down, you socialist.’”

“Jeez. You’d think a guy who says things like that would want to protect the First Amendment, not carve a piece off it.”

Chair of Joint Chiefs Violates Sub-Paragraph “D”

When coffee break was over, the Flag Police proceeded to bust U.S. Air Force Gen. Richard B. Myers, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

An official Department of Defense photo shown here depicts Myers in apparent violation of U.S. Code Title 4, Chapter 1, Section 8, Sub-Paragraph D: “The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery,” and/or Sub-Paragraph J: “No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform.” The violation occurred on Memorial Day weekend, during the annual Rolling Thunder motorcycle rally.

http://www.nhgazette.com/news/flag_police/