[quote]AZMojo wrote:
What a hero!!
-By whatever means nessesary(sic!)? So you’d kill somebody over 12 square ft. of nylon? That may be the stupidest thing I’ve heard today. Matter of fact.
-Flags aren’t people. They’re cloth. They don’t want or need you to come to their defense.
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You may want to read your past posts out loud. Then THAT may be the
stupidest[sic] thing you’ve heard today!
[quote]fahd wrote:
What a guy!!! Me and my flatmates had a good laugh reading this, thank you !
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Not sure if this was an attempt at sarcasm…
If nothing else, my post shows that there are many Americans that have enough backbone to stand up to those who would disparage our flag.
As well, there are many who travel through life, passionless and devoid of national pride… Pity, that.
[quote]derek wrote:
I don’t belive burning the flag should be made illegal. It is a right to “speak” freely. But I as well would “de-evolve” into an Ass-Kicking Mutha F—er if the burning took place in my presence. Call me a caveman or whatever your more sophisticated intellect can muster… I’d still dive in “swingin” and let the chips fall where they may.
And I never said anyone would have to die. I figure "any means" may include removing the flag from danger, maybe a quick shove to persuade the maggot, I mean "protester" to cease his action. Or even a discussion on the futility of symbolic protests.
But I will decide who and what needs defending. thanks for the input just the same.[/quote]
-What if your newfound peaceful ways don’t work? Then what?
-Hopefully, if you ever decide to do something in peaceful protest(unlikely, from the sound of it), sombody won’t take offense and beat YOU down, or even kill YOU, over it.
[quote]AZMojo wrote:
-What if your newfound peaceful ways don’t work? Then what?
-Hopefully, if you ever decide to do something in peaceful protest(unlikely, from the sound of it), sombody won’t take offense and beat YOU down, or even kill YOU, over it.
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…and to think YOU corrected MY spelling errors!
As far as being consistant[sic], I wrote “any means”. Look up “any”. I’d say in THIS case, “any” means any. That would include but not be limited to peaceful means and violent means and everything in between. You know… ANY.
And as far as beating me down or killing me… I’ll take my chances.
It does seem however, as though you are focusing on violence as much as I may have. Is hypocrisy spelled with one “y” or two?
[quote]derek wrote:
AZMojo wrote:
As far as being consistant[sic], I wrote “any means”. Look up “any”. I’d say in THIS case, “any” means any. That would include but not be limited to peaceful means and violent means and everything in between. You know… ANY.
And as far as beating me down or killing me… I’ll take my chances.
It does seem however, as though you are focusing on violence as much as I may have. Is hypocrisy spelled with one “y” or two?
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Touche on the spelling correction. Smart and witty at the same time. Now, we just need to work on the other two.
-I’m focusing on YOUR violence. You’re the one saying, you know, ANY. I’m asking if you’d kill somebody to make them stop burning the flag? Either you would, which makes you a dangerous retard, or you wouldn’t, which makes you a liar.
Which is it?
[quote]AZMojo wrote:
I’m asking if you’d kill somebody to make them stop burning the flag? Either you would, which makes you a dangerous retard, or you wouldn’t, which makes you a liar.
Which is it?
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Well, why don’t you cut and paste the part where I so much as mentioned killing anyone and I’ll admit to being inconsistent or to being a liar.
I’m quite sure I never mentioned KILLING anyone. Not only that, but I’m sure I cannot see any circumstance where such an extreme would be necessary or desirable. So it would seem I am neither a liar nor am I inconsistent.
Just in case you cannot understand my point I give you the following...
“Man, I’d do ANYTHING for a glass of ice-cold water right now!”
Yes, I suppose one could extrapolate from this that I may indeed want to KILL someone for it but it seems a tad irrational to me, how about you?
[quote]derek wrote:
I’m quite sure I never mentioned KILLING anyone. Not only that, but I’m sure I cannot see any circumstance where such an extreme would be necessary or desirable. So it would seem I am neither a liar nor am I inconsistent.
Just in case you cannot understand my point I give you the following...
“Man, I’d do ANYTHING for a glass of ice-cold water right now!”
Yes, I suppose one could extrapolate from this that I may indeed want to KILL someone for it but it seems a tad irrational to me, how about you?[/quote]
You’re right, that would be irrational.
-A less irrational extrapolation would be:
“Shit I’m thirsty. If saw somebody with a glass of water right now I turn into a de-evolved “Ass Kicking Mother F—ker” and get that water by any means necessary.”
Your words not mine.
So you can backpedal all you like, but the fact remains that you said it. I’m just trying to figure out if you meant it.
Remember “No false bravado
No talking shit
Matter of fact”?
[quote]jlesk68 wrote:
Burning our flag is not what the Founding Fathers would consider freedom of speech.[/quote]
This statement is wrong and a blatant lie. The country was far more seperated than we are today, as every state was very overprotective against a centalized government. This was part of what provoked the Civil War.
Burning the flag was the least of their worries, especially in times where rebellions against the government were a semi-regular occurence. Do not make a general statement about the founding fathers because it suits your needs.
May I offer a compromise solution:
If you feel strongly about anybody burning Old Glory to the extent that you want to kick their teeth in, do it.
But then accept the punishment for aggravated assault without whining about “really being a hero”.
I agree w/ the majority that its a bad idea to put an amendment in that would stop this b/c it would only encourage further flag burning from ACLU type of people -not that im seriously opposed to them. Of course this issue always comes up so the party that authors it will look like good americans
Please, somebody post a link to this video clip I’ve seen floating around, I can’t find it. It’s some guy(Iranian, I believe), covering the flag in gasoline, lighting it, and catching himself on fire in the process. Priceless.
[quote]TQB wrote:
May I offer a compromise solution:
If you feel strongly about anybody burning Old Glory to the extent that you want to kick their teeth in, do it.
But then accept the punishment for aggravated assault without whining about “really being a hero”. [/quote]
Did I miss the part where I called myself a hero? And if I was seen assaulting someone and got arrested for same… so be it. Sometimes you just gotta fight for what you believe in… consequenses be damned. This’d be one of those times.
I can accept however, that feeling strongly about something and standing up for it in the face adversity may be alien to you. In which case, more debate would be fruitless. And in which case I feel sorry for you and your ilk.
[quote]AZMojo wrote:
You’re right, that would be irrational.
-A less irrational extrapolation would be:
“Shit I’m thirsty. If saw somebody with a glass of water right now I turn into a de-evolved “Ass Kicking Mother F—ker” and get that water by any means necessary.”
Your words not mine.
So you can backpedal all you like, but the fact remains that you said it. I’m just trying to figure out if you meant it.
Remember “No false bravado
No talking shit
Matter of fact”?
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Backpedal??? kicking ass is a far cry from killing someone… You stand corrected… AGAIN. (this is too easy).
[quote]jlesk68 wrote:
Burning our flag is not what the Founding Fathers would consider freedom of speech.[/quote]
Thank you for that expert Constitutional analysis.
[quote]combatmedic wrote:
Please, somebody post a link to this video clip I’ve seen floating around, I can’t find it. It’s some guy(Iranian, I believe), covering the flag in gasoline, lighting it, and catching himself on fire in the process. Priceless.[/quote]
That’s pretty funny no matter how you look at it. I’d like to see it.
Derek, I am with you. If idiot is burning a flag it is your god given right to verbally abuse him and slap him down if the situation warrants such action.
Reasonable people don’t burn flags. It is hard to deal with irrational people by acting reasonably.
I think the best thing to do would be to turn a fire hose on them.
[quote]derek wrote:
Backpedal??? kicking ass is a far cry from killing someone… You stand corrected… AGAIN. (this is too easy).
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Do you even know what extrapolate means? Or “any”, for that matter. Any means, you know, ANY.
If you didn’t mean ANY, then you were in fact displaying false bravado, and talking shit. I’m just calling you out on it and you don’t like it, because you realize how irrational and retard your ORIGINAL(meaning, not your later reinterpretations) statement was.
Matter of fact.
[quote]AZMojo wrote:
derek wrote:
Do you even know what extrapolate means? Or “any”, for that matter. Any means, you know, ANY.
EXTRAPOLATE;
b : to predict by projecting past experience or known data.
There, does that make it easier for you?
If you didn’t mean ANY, then you were in fact displaying false bravado, and talking shit. I’m just calling you out on it and you don’t like it, because you realize how irrational and retard your ORIGINAL(meaning, not your later reinterpretations) statement was.
Matter of fact.
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Well, I was counting on the fact that no one would be reading into my post the way you did. In that sense, I was wrong.
I cannot help the few dolts that would assume I’d actually KILL someone that I disagreed with.
How you translate “Dive in swingin’” to murder is beyond me.
If you truly belive in your heart that “ANY” means murder in this case,
there’s really not much I can do about it.
False bravado? Nope. Just letting everyone here understand where I was coming from. In other words, I was just giving my belief of how I’d act in such a circumstance while trying to make it clear I was not intentionally sounding like a hardass.
I’ll try and dumb it down for you next time.
Got anything stronger? I’m getting bored.
[quote]nephorm wrote:
jlesk68 wrote:
Burning our flag is not what the Founding Fathers would consider freedom of speech.
Thank you for that expert Constitutional analysis.[/quote]
I know you’re being sarcastic but these were men who gave up riches and status to fight for independence and if they saw americans burning their flag and claiming 1st ammendment rights, they would turn in their graves.
[quote]jlesk68 wrote:
nephorm wrote:
jlesk68 wrote:
Burning our flag is not what the Founding Fathers would consider freedom of speech.
Thank you for that expert Constitutional analysis.
I know you’re being sarcastic but these were men who gave up riches and status to fight for independence and if they saw americans burning their flag and claiming 1st ammendment rights, they would turn in their graves.[/quote]
OK, one more time, being as you ignored my last one evidently.
This statement is wrong and a blatant lie. The country was far more seperated than we are today, as every state was very overprotective against a centalized government. This was part of what provoked the Civil War.
Burning the flag was the least of their worries, especially in times where rebellions against the government were a semi-regular occurence. Do not make a general statement about the founding fathers because it suits your needs.
If you think this is true, prove it. If it was important, I am sure they would have said something about it.