Fitna: The Movie

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]lixy wrote:
They don’t have a case to sue. It is not the words of the Iranian leaders they denounced, but the use of out-of-context Quranic verses in juxtaposition to violent crimes.

Clear?[/quote]

Yeah, they didn’t care about all the violence and blood shed in the name of Allah, that was shown. They were pissed because someone “misquoted” the Koran.

Great guys, these Iranians.

-there was really no difference between this film and a film from Hamas demonizing the Israelis and Americans. If anyone else gets pissed off to the degree of the teddy bear incident, their hypocrites.

-edit, so, I gather Iran, who allegedly never attacked another country, is really funding a worldwide Islamic Revolution like the movie said?

-Other than pointing out quotes from the Koran, is the rest of the film true? Islam = Fascism?

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UN chief condemns anti-Islam film

[i]UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon has strongly condemned a controversial film on Islam made by a Dutch politician, calling it “offensively anti-Islamic”.

Several Muslim countries have also condemned the film, a 15-minute polemic by the far-right MP Geert Wilder, which was posted online on Thursday.

Pakistan, Indonesia, Iran and Bangladesh were among those to protest.

The film sets verses from the Koran against a background of violent images from terror attacks.

“I condemn, in the strongest terms, the airing of Geert Wilders’ offensively anti-Islamic film,” Mr Ban said in a statement.

“The right of free expression is not at stake here,” he added. “Freedom must always be accompanied by social responsibility.”

The EU’s Slovenian presidency said the film served no purpose other than “inflaming hatred”.[/i]

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Dutch film ‘Fitna’ draws muted response from Muslims

[i]PARIS – A young Muslim girl in a head scarf calls Jews “apes and pigs.” A nonbeliever is beheaded and another is shot. Verses of the Koran are juxtaposed with horrific images, implying that one begets the other.

The new film by right-wing Dutch legislator Geert Wilders, first posted on the Internet late Thursday, had everyone from the Dutch prime minister to soldiers in Afghanistan braced for angry reactions from offended Muslims. Even before the film was released, there were protests this month by 15,000 people in Afghanistan, with many burning the Dutch flag.

And a spokesman for the Amsterdam police said Friday that the force was on alert and that extra officers would be on the streets in Muslim neighborhoods this weekend.

Before Friday’s midday call to prayer, police were busy contacting imams to gauge reaction at the city’s 50 mosques. But as of late Friday, reaction there appeared muted.

“They were all disgusted by the film, but so far there isn’t a big explosion,” said police spokesman Arnold Aben. “In fact, it’s quieter than usual here today. Sort of like a holiday.”

The 17-minute film, “Fitna,” the Arabic word for strife, was first posted late Thursday on Wilder’s Freedom Party website. The site crashed immediately with heavy traffic, but within minutes the film was available in Dutch and English on the British-based website LiveLeak,which also froze up briefly. By Friday, the film was all over the Internet – on YouTube, Dailymotion and other shared-video sites. LiveLeak later took down the video, saying its staff had received “threats of a very serious nature.”

Wilders has said he made the film to call attention to what he sees as the Islamic threat to Europe – which he compares to the fascism that led to World War II.

Not everyone was impressed.

“It is not very original,” Yusuf Altuntas, deputy chairman of a Muslim umbrella group based in The Hague, said in a phone interview. “We have seen many of these images before. There was no shock so we don’t think there will be problems in Holland. I can’t speak for in the Middle East.”[/i]

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[quote]dk44 wrote:
lixy wrote:
In other news, it took less than 24hrs for LiveLeak to take down the video. The OP’s link is therefore useless.

I wonder why…

Edit: As of this moment, you can still watch the video on the link I have posted. [/quote]

Its all over torrent sites as well edit(already noted by PRCalDude).

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Nice article fishing lixy. What did YOU think about the movie?

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Is the 15 Minute version, the full version?

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[quote]dk44 wrote:
Nice article fishing lixy. What did YOU think about the movie?[/quote]

Like I said earlier, it’s a nice piece of propaganda. Not as good as, say Moore’s work, but certainly better than what what Islamists come up with. If you recall, I predicted that all the hoola-hooba was just hype.

It won’t change a thing in the Dutch political landscape, but it gave Wilders’ a wide name recognition internationally. It’s ammo for the “all Muslims are bad” crowd, but places where it can be exploited to that end are not the low countries. In my opinion, the places where it’ll have a substantial effect are the UK, US and Germany.

The guy was smart enough to know when to stop. A little further would have been political suicide.

And, as Ali Eteraz put it, there was nothing original about the piece. It just echoed the same bigoted ideas that many here defend and which have surged in popularity in recent years. What distinguished Wilders’ from the rest of them was a clever marketing technique whereby he exploited the powers of anticipation and imagination.

Anything else?

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[quote]Sikkario wrote:
Is the 15 Minute version, the full version?[/quote]

Yep. And 15 minutes too long if you ask me.

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Nope nothing else, I just wanted to hear it from the horses mouth instead of his quick google search for articles.

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I wouldn’t normally link to articles that are split over several pages (an abhorrent practice!), but this is a must read.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Story?id=4544952&page=1

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You’re a fucking library.

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Fitna: The Movie was definetely, artfully done.

It’s free speech, they represented radical islam as a dangerous force and trolled the fuck out of all the people who got offended by the Danish cartoon debacle, who cares.

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[quote]Sikkario wrote:
Fitna: The Movie was definetely, artfully done. [/quote]

In the sense that it demonstrated the guy’s ability to play the media and use propaganda techniques, “definetely”!

No. It’s a video.

You missed the point then. The objective was to demonize Islam and Muslims in general, not only radical Islam. You don’t seem to know much about Wilders. The guy calls for banning the Quran, likening it to “Mein Kampf” and refers to other cultures as degenerate.

What’s ironic is that the most offended of those people as of today, is Kurt Westergaard, the guy behind the most famous of those cartoons. He engaged legal action against the producers of the movie.

If that’s a question, you should think about appending the proper punctuation mark. And judging by the traffic Fitna has drawn, I’d say millions of people.

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If it was intended to demonize Muslims…the creator didn’t fabricate any of the shyt he put into there.

Ya, he drew the picture he wanted people to see, but all the works, videos and anything else in that film, were presented by Muslims themselves.

If you want to make a rebuttal called, Salaam.

And have all sorts of clips about how Islam is about peace, go ahead.

I just don’t find it offensive.

I’m the same guy, who thought it was funny, when Ahlmenijad threw his holocaust party in Tehran, and invited Condoleeza Rice and Merkel.

I’m all about trolling, and I don’t give a fuck if some cry baby muslims, are going to go throw a piss fit and blow themselves up somewhere, cuz they are too retarded to use a camcorder.

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Lixy, just for me, will you admit that the “muslims” in that video are cocksucking pieces of shit?

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To add to my point, we all talk about how people use the means available to them to resist that which they percieve as oppressive or at least threatening.

While sit around, and bemoan some palestinian suicide bombers as using their only form of resistance.

Maybe, Wilders as a dutch filmmaker was deeply affected by the murder of Theo Van Gogh by Islamists…and we’re seeing the UN castigate his work, when it is a rather peaceful way of expressing himself.

For real, I think Wilders is a pussy tho, cuz of that “the sound is a phonebook page being ripped out or whatever.”

He should have ripped out a page of the Koran, and then burned it.

I mean, people burn the Dutch flag, the USA flag, so burn the Koran who cares.

If he’s trying to be poignant he could do a better job.

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[quote]Sikkario wrote:
If it was intended to demonize Muslims…the creator didn’t fabricate any of the shyt he put into there. [/quote]

There is no “if” involved here. Even Hirsi Ali said that the movie had absolutely no other purpose than to provoke.

Which is the exact same picture presented by Al-Qaeda and their buddies. All the while, he made sure that an amalgam is made and that’s what makes the video brilliant in my eyes. Propaganda at its finest.

[quote]If you want to make a rebuttal called, Salaam.

And have all sorts of clips about how Islam is about peace, go ahead.[/quote]

Leaving aside the fact that I don’t even own a camera, I should point out that convincing a person who believes a religion can attract a billion ( people, survive for centuries and be the intolerant criminal ideology as portrayed in the video is useless. Arguing logic with someone impermeable to common sense is beating a dead horse.

Well, it’s certainly not an inoffensive piece. And that’s from someone who will defend freedom of speech to the gates of Hell.

I didn’t find it funny.

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[quote]Chushin wrote:
lixy wrote:
I wouldn’t normally link to articles that are split over several pages (an abhorrent practice!), but this is a must read.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Story?id=4544952&page=1

But, but, I thought we couldn’t trust the money-hungry, biased American media?!?!?[/quote]

And you shouldn’t. The idea is to get people doing their own research. It’s not like any of that is unverifiable, now is it?