My E2 is high (high 50s). You actually felt that my labs looked great as long as I wasn’t having any symptoms from the high E2. Which at the time, I wasn’t. But a few weeks later, my mind starting going to some dark places. Obesessing over my wife’s previous relationships/sex life, getting overly clingy and expecting the same, just generally having a very negative outlook on everything. And when we do argue, I turn bright red and start pouring sweat. I’m self aware and she’s knows it’s not me and is being patient, but it’s got to stop. She’s super and we’re super happy. Took a 0.05mg adex 2 days ago (I’m an over responder) and immediately had enough clarity to wonder who that person was.
So glad to hear your wife can see thru this wave of hormones. You need to really work with her taking her advice even when this other person you turn into does not want to.
You need to look at your wife’s previous relationships/sex life as Wow she chose me over him/them. Be happy my friend you have someone others want.
To be honest, what you are describing is too high T and E2 I would cut your T dose by alot. You can always go back up sometime in the future remember this TRTshit is for the rest of your life.
You need to learn how your body responds.
For the sake of your marriage, you need to find the lowest T lvl you can live with. A lower T will automatically give you a lower E2. My shgb is 29 and I do great on 80mg/wk. I don’t need an AI and I don’t have to donate blood all the time.
And better yet I don’t have to jackoff everyfucking day just to feel normal.
HTH
I had an almost identical experience as my dose increased from 120mg to 140mg a week…I never had bloods to back it up, but they seem eerily similar.
I dropped back down to 120 and the issues in my head went away… But I started feeling less than ideal again… So eventually went back to to 140, but something is different this time, like my body is used to it or something because I don’t have those same feelings now as I did before.
Glad to hear the adex helped. What’s your dose again?
I’m on 150mg dosed over 3x/ week (50mg W/F/Sun). This is a recent change down from 160mg a week doseed 2x/ week. It’s only been a month since changing so hoping things level out.
@hrdlvn my wife is amazing. Out of my league and the ironic thing is that she left her ex (as did I) to be with me. One of those stories where we both uprooted our lives because we were so in love. We’ve had an amazing sex life for the past 10 years and now have three beautiful children. Literally nothing to complain about. Yet when I had this reaction With my treatment, my head started obsessing about very specific stories that she told me about her ex. Yes, they had a great sex life too. Or maybe that one crazy night she had in college. Again, nothing out of the ordinary and I’ve certainly had fun in my life, but yet I found myself literally nauseous thinking about it, jealous, and then even worse - comparing it to our current sex life and giving her shit about it.
Yet today and yesterday, after microdosing my AI, it seems absurd to even think about. Like “who gives a shit. She had fun, so did I, and we have an amazing life together and I’m so lucky to have her be so in love with me.”
PS, she does love my TRT body comp changes. I just need to keep myself in check until i get this sorted.
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That is a great story. You are lucky. The difference between 160 and 150 ain’t going to do shit. It still takes T cyp 40 dam day to average out. My suggestions above still stand.
We’re 3 weeks out from going to Vegas for my 40th. We both agree that should be a fun, sex-filled trip. I’m hesitant to lower right now and create any sexual issues for myself for the trip. But once we come back, perhaps I will lower to 120mg/week and see how I feel after a while on that? Sound reasonable?
Are you still having high E2 symptoms?
Only the crazy thoughts I mentioned above. Some night sweats. Took one .05mg adex and feel much more normal/calm. Wary of knocking myself too low with adex but I guess that’s super unlikely with .05-0.1mg/week
I understand. As long as you are not having ED issues keep the status quo for your vegas trip. My daughter got married in Vegas. The inlaws worked at the Vegas Hooters so me and the wife got to stay at the Hooters for 7 days. What a blast. I made a fortune at the slots.
A high T will keep your libido in high gear but high E2 can cause ED issues. So its your call. If any Ed issues arise keep your AI microdose available. It would not hurt to have some cialas and or livitra handy. Its a bummer this forum is not into photos I’d love to see some trip report picts. Nothing pornographic just photos of why we are all here in the first place.
I’m going to America in 3 wks, I could post up some non-incriminating vacation photos.
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HaHa that would be great we need to make that a thing around here. This place can be so stiff and formal. I hope the mods will welcome this idea.
Yep I have cialis on hand which I usually will take on trips like that, anyway - as we tend to be a bit more active that at home with 3 kids :). Thanks for all of the advice. You’re a good guy. Every post of mine that you’ve responded to has been super helpful.
Last question - in the past 4 months I climbed back up to my late 20’s muscular weight of 180 and have now continued to get leaner and leaner at the same weight. I love that I’m looking better now than ever. Will a drop to 120 still enable progress, or at least maintenance like this?
Also, I’ll definitely report back with vacation pictures. Those that convey just how HAPPY we are because I’m not being a negative maniac. 
You will lose nothing at 120. My T dose right now is 80mg/wk. I just came off a 400mg/wk for 12 week blast. I did not tell my wife. Today we were e scootering up to sonic for icecream after a great late morning in the sack.
She told me she wanted to take some picts with her phone while we rode. She called me her arm candy and wanted picts to share with her girlfriend. For a guy who has been married for over 35 years I could not have had a better complement.
Try experimenting see how low you can go. Don’t forget you can blast with the extra T you save up over time. I found this works way better than trying to blast all the time. The side effects suck and you really don’t gain any additional muscle.
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How terrible are the sides during those blasts? Haha just thinking about the manaic I became at 150-160. Assuming sexual sides, too?
When I blast I let my E2 go thru the roof(no AI) I believe it protects my joints but there are side effect I don’t like but put up with. The biggest is ED for me.
Water weigh and the lose of my abs when blasting. Extra oily mostly around my nose and forehead. Very acne prone if I don’t wash 2-3 times a day. I don’t get mad or jealous when on a very high(>350/wk) T dose. My mind is super focused and I am very calm very confident and humble. Nothing pisses me off but I can get extra sensitive to sad stories. If that gets too bad I will pop an AI or 2 that is usually all it takes.
I believe everyone needs time with TRT to get used to it. It is not just natty plus. Your body has to learn how to deal with the constant release of T. There is no natural T lvl rhythm. That could take a year or 3. Then I believe we respond very well to high doses for a short time.
Don’t rush it you already know 150/160 takes you to a very bad place. Plus you are already seeing nice gains.
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Hey @hrdlvn, since you asked - we’re halfway through our Vegas trip and I’m so happy to report that things did stabilize a bit for me a couple of weeks ago and I’m doing great on my dose with .05 or .025mg of Adex added in but nothing more. And as you asked - here’s what that happiness looks like
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WOW what a great looking couple. You guys ((( ROCK ))) I am so glad the advice helped.
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Thank you! And at the risk of oversharing, this regimen has me performing better than I did at 25 years old!
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300 a week is ridiculous for a trt dose and would easily put the majority of people way above 1200.
Not using hcg does not mean you will lose all fertility in the future. A lot of people don’t use hcg in their trt protocol and will have no issues having kids in the future.
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